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Re: dbc

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 4, 2008, at 15:39:12

In reply to Re: Mr Comfortable, posted by dbc on July 4, 2008, at 12:32:11

> Someone has failed to grasp the compulsive nature of the internet.

I'm unsure what you're meaning there but I am aware of the pitfalls, IMO, of internet use. My personal opinion is I do not think of it as a healthy behavior for a large number of reasons. In following a board for some time - consisent and off and on - some repeated "stuff" has become mainly all I can see. Maybe it's a sign for me to go and leave the board to those who appear to run it and are allowed to do as they please.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 16:53:34

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be Phillipa, posted by johnj on July 3, 2008, at 22:57:24

> "I've found the darn low dose of luvox harder seems my brain likes it and want off of that."
>
> I am not sure what you mean here. You think you need it or not?
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> "Some valium I will always take. "
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> Why? If you think you will always need it then you will. You will never know without trying. When did you start meds and why? Think back on when you were med free and remember that feeling, maybe you can get it back. Have you ever considered life style changes?
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> johnj

What works for one may not work for another. You have decided to do total withdrawel and maybe that has worked for you. Also the older you get the situation changes. Being on klonopin for years I atttempted withdrawel. BP went up and I found there were times I needed a dose. What you have to remember anxiety has very bad physical effects on the body and much worse when one is in their 60's. So i have compromised I adjust my dose as needed. Some days I only take one 1 mg pills most days 1.5 milligrams and on bad days 2 milligrams. yes i exercise and eat well to reduce anxiety. Sometimes we have to compromise. I'd rather see phillipe adjust her dosages and do with as little as possible to get buy rather than suffer needlessly for the sake of withdrawel. At my age I don't have a year to suffer for the sake of saying I'm drug free and Phillipe is around my age. As I said earlier I think a good first step is seeing if one can lower their dose to a level they're comfortable with. Sometimes there seems to be a philosophy of meds or no meds. Phillipe is actually doing better right now and is more fuctional as I communicate with her. So why put excessive stress with her as either take valium or no valium. I think reduction or taking doses as needed is a valid game plan.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Justherself54 on July 4, 2008, at 18:20:34

In reply to Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2008, at 15:30:15

> I don't get it as I've cut my valium from 20mg to 15mg a night and now I'm more tired then ever. Makes no sense to me as I thought anxiety would go up?? Anyone have an idea why this could be happening as need to do a lot of things and it's all force. Thanks for your knowledge. Love Phillipa


I wonder if you are still recouping from surgery and that may be contributing to your feeling tired. I know it took me way longer than I thought it would to get some energy back. I agree with the previous poster. Cut back to where you are comfortable...and I'm sure your doctor is supervising the decrease...take care. Do you think the Luvox is pooping out on you?

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 19:04:37

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Justherself54 on July 4, 2008, at 18:20:34

> > I don't get it as I've cut my valium from 20mg to 15mg a night and now I'm more tired then ever. Makes no sense to me as I thought anxiety would go up?? Anyone have an idea why this could be happening as need to do a lot of things and it's all force. Thanks for your knowledge. Love Phillipa
>
>
> I wonder if you are still recouping from surgery and that may be contributing to your feeling tired. I know it took me way longer than I thought it would to get some energy back. I agree with the previous poster. Cut back to where you are comfortable...and I'm sure your doctor is supervising the decrease...take care. Do you think the Luvox is pooping out on you?
>

And i agree with you also. There's so many reasons she could be tired. Thyroid, surgery among many issues in her life you can't come to the conclusion that cutting valium 5 mg is causing fatigue when generally cutting a benzo leads to more energy. The original post is very vague with many possible variables.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2

Posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by bulldog2 on July 4, 2008, at 16:53:34

You missed the point. She said she has NO increase in anxiety when she cut. So why take it??? If it is just withdrawal (the tiredness)it will pass and the only way to know it is to try. Running back to a med if it isn't helping doesn't make sense to me. If a person is doing better on less meds and isn't having more depression or anxiety that may tell a person something.

I am better not than when I was 28 and that has been many, many years ago. So saying the older you get the worse anxiety is is not always accurate. BTW: I am not anti-med at all.

I resent the fact that you say that I AM putting stress on her. I am seeing it is getting time for me to leave this site.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:24:15

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

Wow just got home from a family occassion 12 hours away so wasn't here on the computer all day. Thanks Bulldog and Justherself. Maybe I should post a separate explanation which I personally don't find necesary but will.Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:24:15

Yes wondering if any of you read admin as Dr. Bob has requested that posters help out and great new people with green flags next to there name. So that question I feel is answered. I think I get one more. Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:32:31

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

37 years on a benzos is a long time 62 years old. Now the time line is running out on my life and I feel I should not and it wouldn't be healthy for me to get of meds that my brain has adapted to. So A simple question turned Into a Dispute. That is very sad on a board that is meant to support others. Sorry you feel this way about me but I try and that is all anyone can do. I see a thead started by a person and no replies and out of concern and kindness guess the nursing of old kicks in and I want the person to know someone has heard them. I have broken no rules and will continue to post until a new rule stops it. Thanks for listening and especially thanks to the Deputies that work so hard for Dr. Bob when he personally can not be here. Phillipa

 

Re: Phillipa

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 4, 2008, at 23:26:57

> Yes wondering if any of you read admin as Dr. Bob has requested that posters help out and great new people with green flags next to there name. So that question I feel is answered. I think I get one more. Phillipa


>> Wonder no more about me reading (and posting on) adm. as I am very interested in the adm. of this site. I wonder if you have read adm. when the subject has arose concerning limiting the number of posts by any one poster? The three post rule is already in place to thwart any one poster monopolizing. The last I remember, Dr. Bob stated he was thinking of how to best address the issue of frequent postings by any one single poster. So, I am of the opinion Dr. Bob has received concerns and does see it as an issue.

No one poster is assigned to greet as far as I can see on Adm. or on the various board's mission statements

I have also brought up if Dr. Bob ever considers exploring the posters who cause other posters such frustration that a number in the community receive PCB's, blocks and make a decision to leave the board.

Just because there is not rule against a behavior does not mean it isn't a problem behavior for the whole of the community AND a problem for the individual poster. Should you care to see my ADM. posts you can check the board itself or I'll be glad to post the link.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by bulldog2 on July 5, 2008, at 8:15:41

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be bulldog2, posted by johnj on July 4, 2008, at 22:48:27

> You missed the point. She said she has NO increase in anxiety when she cut. So why take it??? If it is just withdrawal (the tiredness)it will pass and the only way to know it is to try. Running back to a med if it isn't helping doesn't make sense to me. If a person is doing better on less meds and isn't having more depression or anxiety that may tell a person something. I mean benzo withdrawel is rarely charcterized by fatigue. Also I did say she should go with the lowest amt that works and if that's nothing that so be it.
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> I am better not than when I was 28 and that has been many, many years ago. So saying the older you get the worse anxiety is is not always accurate. BTW: I am not anti-med at all.
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> I resent the fact that you say that I AM putting stress on her. I am seeing it is getting time for me to leave this site.
>
>

No you missed my point! her fatigue could be caused by many things! Generally withdrawing from a benzo doesn't make you more tired. Benzos are sedating. People generally get more anxious or more energertic not fatigued. She also never said she was going to totally withdraw.How do you know it's not her thyroid, or she's sleeping poorly, or she working long hours or she depressed (symtomatic of fatigue). etc etc..

 

Re: Mc Comfortable

Posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2008, at 11:10:02

In reply to Re: Phillipa, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

I don't believe greeting is or was ever an assignment just a request to help out. I'm not replying to this thread anymore. I appreciate the support I received from posters and a lot of possibilities. Thanks so much. Much Love Phillipa

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by bulldog2 on July 5, 2008, at 8:15:41

" Generally withdrawing from a benzo doesn't make you more tired. Benzos are sedating.:

According to you. I was wiped out when I withdrew and you will find MANY have the same reaction. It was called REM rebound and I barely made it threw the day during withdrawal.

"How do you know it's not her thyroid, or she's sleeping poorly, or she working long hours or she depressed (symtomatic of fatigue). etc etc..:

How do you know it is caused by something else as she SAID this happened after cutting? I was going by what she said not you trying to interpret for her, geez. By all means let's keep taking meds that are doing no good for us instead of going off OR finding ones that make us better. I was on meds for 15 years before going off! I am not buying that my brain needs them. Alcoholics and illegal drug abuses say the same things. Meds should help and if they don't change them or go off. I think meds have great value when used properly. I know many here who are helped and I pray all will find that help. If I ever need something I have options but right now they have been making me worse.

I resent having her "fan" club come to her rescue all of the time. I am sick of her being the "first responder" and driving away good people and monopolizing the board. Most people won't say anything for fear of being blocked. I tried the repond to her with tough love and then I get emails telling me to stop picking on her. What is up with that?

I would like to thank Larry Hoover, Ron Hill, Linkadge, SLS, and some dear posters that are not here anymore for their help. The widrawal board was great too and the support we had for each other during the process was extremely valuable. You helped me through a very difficult time. I have reached my level of frustration and it is not good.

I wish everyone the best and may you all find the courage and help to get better. Whatever means works for you go with it.

johnj

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj

Posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:07:58

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

>
> Whatever means works for you go with it.

Except posting a lot on message boards?

 

give it a rest guys

Posted by elanor roosevelt on July 5, 2008, at 13:09:16

In reply to Re: Mc Comfortable, posted by Phillipa on July 5, 2008, at 11:10:02

wow
all this hostility aimed at Phillipa
what's the real problem here?
maybe you should all re-read your own posts and think about it

 

Re: give it a rest guys

Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:08

In reply to give it a rest guys, posted by elanor roosevelt on July 5, 2008, at 13:09:16

> wow
> all this hostility aimed at Phillipa
> what's the real problem here?


It's been plainly stated, IMO.

 

Re: give it a rest guys

Posted by Jamal Spelling on July 5, 2008, at 13:24:30

In reply to Re: give it a rest guys, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:08

This board is meant to be supportive.

 

Blocked for a week johnj

Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 5, 2008, at 14:41:38

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

> I am sick of her being the "first responder" and driving away good people and monopolizing the board.


The requirements Dr. Bob has set for us to post on this site are to abide by the civility guidelines. You've been asked before to not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, so I'm going to have to block you from posting for one week.

> I tried the repond to her with tough love and then I get emails telling me to stop picking on her.

If you have received uncivil babblemails, please forward them to Dr. Bob, since the civility guidelines also apply to babblemails.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

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Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

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Please remember board guidelines everyone

Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 5, 2008, at 14:59:06

In reply to Blocked for a week johnj, posted by Deputy Dinah on July 5, 2008, at 14:41:38

I ask that everyone keep the board guidelines in mind, and not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. It is admirable to support one another on this board, but please do so in a way consistent with the civility guidelines.

If you wish to review these guidelines, they can be found at:

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I also remind everyone that Dr. Bob's requirement for posting on this site are to follow the board guidelines as listed in the FAQ. As long as posts are in accordance with these guidelines, they are allowable here. If you consider that a post is not in accordance with board guidelines, please report that post to Administration using the "Notify Administrators" function on the bottom of each posting page. If you choose to respond on board, please do so in accordance with the civility guidelines.

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Blocked Mc Comfortable

Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on July 5, 2008, at 20:45:10

In reply to Re: Phillipa, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

> posters who cause other posters such frustration that a number in the community receive PCB's, blocks and make a decision to leave the board.

> a problem behavior for the whole of the community

>those who appear to run it and are allowed to do as they please.

Yesterday you were asked to be civil and to follow site guidelines (earlier on this thread) by not posting anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Unfortunately, since you have posted additional comments that appear uncivil to me, I am going to block you from posting. Using the formula located in the FAQ at:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce

your block length will initially be 3 weeks. {previous block 1 week, ended 4 weeks ago, uncivil toward a particular individual}

Of course, Dr. Bob has complete oversight in this and can recalculate or rescind this as he sees fit. If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

Dr. Bob is always free to override deputy decisions. His email is on the bottom of each page. Please feel free to email him if you believe this decision was made in error.

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Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be

Posted by Zyprexa on July 5, 2008, at 21:40:18

In reply to Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2008, at 15:30:15

My guess is its because you are not sleeping as well and less rested. I get this with zyprexa, when I cut down.

 

Re:

Posted by blueboy on July 6, 2008, at 7:13:02

In reply to Re: Phillipa, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 7:34:12

> > Yes wondering if any of you read admin as Dr. Bob has requested that posters help out and great new people with green flags next to there name. So that question I feel is answered. I think I get one more. Phillipa
>
>
> >> Wonder no more about me reading (and posting on) adm. as I am very interested in the adm. of this site. I wonder if you have read adm. when the subject has arose concerning limiting the number of posts by any one poster? The three post rule is already in place to thwart any one poster monopolizing. The last I remember, Dr. Bob stated he was thinking of how to best address the issue of frequent postings by any one single poster. So, I am of the opinion Dr. Bob has received concerns and does see it as an issue.
>
> No one poster is assigned to greet as far as I can see on Adm. or on the various board's mission statements
>
> I have also brought up if Dr. Bob ever considers exploring the posters who cause other posters such frustration that a number in the community receive PCB's, blocks and make a decision to leave the board.
>
> Just because there is not rule against a behavior does not mean it isn't a problem behavior for the whole of the community AND a problem for the individual poster. Should you care to see my ADM. posts you can check the board itself or I'll be glad to post the link.
>
>

I enjoy Phillipa's posts and consider them to be an asset to the community.

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Dow gardenergirl

Posted by TexasChic on July 8, 2008, at 21:22:13

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj, posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:07:58

> >
> > Whatever means works for you go with it.
>
> Except posting a lot on message boards?

That made me laugh so hard!!!!

-T

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Dow TexasChic

Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 14:12:53

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Dow gardenergirl, posted by TexasChic on July 8, 2008, at 21:22:13


> That made me laugh so hard!!!!
>
> -T

Glad to hear it. I know you've had a lot of tears lately, so I hope the laugh helped.

gg

 

Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj

Posted by okydoky on July 25, 2008, at 14:15:58

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:48:07

I come to this board with little knowledge and am sad that yet another who could potentially help me chooses to stop posting here.

I wish you all the best and hope you come back occationally for your own benefit.

I dont even know philipa but I im pretty certain if this were a less strictly enforced board there would be a flamewar going on.

I do not see the course of this thread having any resemblance to the above comment.


I have noticed a lot of what people are posting about here and was unsure what to say about it ALL. In my humble opinion as much as some of what was posted here might hurt my feelings I was astounded at the amount of input these people have for Phillipa and how they were trying to help her or you if you are reading this. No one here seemed to be saying anything for their own personal benefit but specifically for the benefit of Phillipa. I know none of us here (perhaps there is some exception) know each other face to face but these people acted like close friends that after much observation, on a site designated for mutual support and education decided it would benefit Phillipa more to discuss what MANY have seen as a problem for her forseveral years instead of ignoring the large amount of postings and keeping silent as people who do not care or strangers would do. I understand Phillipa getting somewhat defensive.

I think defensiveness shows an unwillingness to listen and for those of us that do this we loose the benefit from those that put themselves out to help us. Again in my humble opinion I think it is entirely inconsistent with you posting all the time and expecting others to listen to you as well as disrespectful to us on the board who are taking the time and effort to extend a helping hand.

I dont think any of this was remotely funny:That made me laugh so hard!, or do I believe anyone was attempting to be personally hostile to you. Concerning people coming to your defense, well I would first have to believe there was something to defend. Disagreeing with what people are posting is one thing but I do not read anything defensible. Making the pretense that it is all laughable defeats the purpose of most of the posts that were trying to provide constructive criticism.
As an aside. I once asked my friend to tell me when I was talking too much. I noticed I never shut up only after the fact when it was too late. He pulls me aside occasionally and tells me I am talking too much. I feel very hurt and humiliated at first but he is trying his best to be my friend even at his own expense. I have learned to appreciate his doing this even at times when I think he has gone too far and is more concerned with his own appearance having come to the group with me and his being so very shy.

With this thread I feel enable to say the following:
I have been on and off this board since 2003 I believe. I have worried at times that I was being a nuisance and others a "PITA" (pain in the**). Occasionally when I have posted I have not gotten a response. Other times someone babble's me with helpful suggestions and/or extends a helping hand suggesting they are available to talk. I think I abuse the effort. I do not mean to. I am long winded and very needy. I occasionally use this way too socially as I have become somewhat agoraphobic and have a problem with the need for constant validation, reassurance and support. I apologize for myself with sincerity and great embarrassment.

So you see I have my own problems. I have felt I have been observed like this for a while and if it is so I only wish people would have been critical of me befor eit gets out of hand. Perhpas more in private but I do not knw th ehistory her except this thread.

You have reached out to me a lot Phillipa and I appreciate it. It had become overwhelming to me though.

 

Please be civil okydoky

Posted by Deputy 10derHeart on July 25, 2008, at 20:09:14

In reply to Re: Why Would One Feel Extremely Tired Cutting Down Be johnj, posted by okydoky on July 25, 2008, at 14:15:58

>it would benefit Phillipa more to discuss what MANY have seen as a problem for her forseveral years
>I understand Phillipa getting somewhat defensive....I think defensiveness shows an unwillingness to listen
>it is entirely inconsistent with you posting all the time and expecting others to listen to you as well as disrespectful to us on the board

I appreciate you wanting to support johnj and/or other posters here (if I understood your overall post correctly) but Dr. Bob asks us all to abide by the civility guidelines as outlined in the FAQ, so I'm going to ask you to please not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.

If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:

http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil

Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.

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-- 10derHeart, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob



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