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Posted by aloesf on February 1, 2008, at 19:22:18
Dr. BOB,
I have been searching the reactions to Effexor XR. I had a one capsule bad experience not knowing if it was an allergic reaction or reaction from the Effexor . Having Several allergies,one Prozac, I had blamed the reaction on the allergy. The reaction was dry heaves, cold sweats, icy feeling turned to burning skin, blurred vision, confusion/delusional, tightness in the chest,and shortness of breath, low then to high blood pressure, remembering only pieces.The 6 days after have left me very sleepy, panic attacks, difficulty remembering, and slow!
I am allergic to 250 "things".. medications being a few. I was looking for someone to help me understand the reaction to the Effexor and if it may have been an allergic reaction.
I found and read an article you had written and thought you my be able to help me.Thank You for Your Time,
aloesf
Posted by bleauberry on February 1, 2008, at 20:08:12
In reply to Effexor XR, posted by aloesf on February 1, 2008, at 19:22:18
The effects you suffered sound like a lot more than the usual start-up side effects of a first dose for the average person.
If you are allergic, I don't know if it is the effexor itself or one of the fillers. I am allergic to gluten and find it is hidden in so many things including medicine fillers. Food colorings, especially red and yellow commonly used in pills, are also common culprits.
If you are allergic, the amount you consume won't make much difference. You'll react badly to even a tiny amount. I doubt you want to test it, but if you did you could open a capsule and consume just a very small amount of the contents.
I think the bigger issue here is not effexor, but your allergies. To make progress that needs to improved. I spend time at heavy metal chelation forums because a majority of those people also suffer multiple allergies, sensitivities, and intolerances. It is part of the body's poisoning and screwing up the immmune system. An allergic reaction is basically the immune system frieking out and going haywire. It is confused and sees normal things as foreign invaders. But it is confused for a reason that many people are able to correct.
Do you have, or have you ever had, silver fillings in your teeth? If yes, you need to get the book Amalgam Illness, join the Yahoo forum frequent-dose-chelation, and begin removing mercury. Even if you don't have fillings, it would not be a surprise to discover you are toxic with lead, mercury or arsenic, all of which spark off allergic reactions like you wouldn't believe. Testing is fairly easy and safe if done right, quite hard and risky if done wrong. But if you get to that point shoot me a post and I will walk you through it.
Allergies can also be caused by thing like leaky gut syndrome, where molecules are able to get through holes in the intestines without being digested. There are various supplements to help repair that.
A good start with any allergies is to take strong digestive enzymes every time you eat, as well as non-buffered Vitamin C for its acidity, and possibly HCL. All these things help ensure that what you ingest is fully broken down into harmless substances before it enters your bloodstream.
Parasites and candida fungus can also wreak havoc with immune system and allergies. Lab tests for those are usually not accurate. The best treatment is to assume you have them and treat them. There are so many medicines and herbs that kill these things, but one that seems to be the most broad spectrum, powerful, and tolerable, as well as beneficial to the gut, is oil of oregano. People have experienced dramatic reductions in multiple allergies with oil of oregano. Whether it was due to antibacterial, antifungal, antivirus, or other mechanisms, they don't know. It just worked. These folks, like you, had multiple allergies. One person was actually down to eating just 5 different foods because everything else was poison.
Another cause of multiple chemical sensitivities is an imbalanced liver. That is, Phase I is too fast compared to Phase II. There are simple supplements that can adjust your liver function to slow down Phase I and speed up Phase II. This is an extremely common condition in most people with allergies, and is often the actual cause. Simple things like pomegranate juice, grapefruit juice, niacinamide, or niacin can skew your liver function one way or the other. You consume which one you need based on your liver profile, which can be revealed by a lab test called the Liver Detox test.
Whether you have silver fillings or not, you should buy the book Amalgam Illness. In it the PHd author has a chapter and many helpful suggestions on eliminating allergies, sensitivities, and intolerances. Obviously one of the simplest starters is to take an antihistamine. Since you are at a psych board, I wonder if you could tolerate Remeron? With its strong antihistamine action, it could serve as an antidepressant and antiallergy.
I have not visited any, but I am sure there are Multiple Chemical Sensitivity forums on Yahoo. Real people just like you can probably offer some great advice and things that work.
Without dealing with the allergic reactions, you many never be able to find to take the medications that would ultimately help you a lot.
I hope this is helpful. Again, I'm not sure if you had an allergic reaction to effexor or not. But since you are already allergic to 250 other things, well, now it is 251. That is solidly diagnostic of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity which is serious but can be improved dramatically. Amalgam Illness and Yahoo forums should be your next stop, not the psychiatrist.
Posted by aloesf on February 2, 2008, at 16:53:51
In reply to Re: Effexor XR, posted by bleauberry on February 1, 2008, at 20:08:12
> The effects you suffered sound like a lot more than the usual start-up side effects of a first dose for the average person.
>
> If you are allergic, I don't know if it is the effexor itself or one of the fillers. I am allergic to gluten and find it is hidden in so many things including medicine fillers. Food colorings, especially red and yellow commonly used in pills, are also common culprits.
>
> If you are allergic, the amount you consume won't make much difference. You'll react badly to even a tiny amount. I doubt you want to test it, but if you did you could open a capsule and consume just a very small amount of the contents.
>
> I think the bigger issue here is not effexor, but your allergies. To make progress that needs to improved. I spend time at heavy metal chelation forums because a majority of those people also suffer multiple allergies, sensitivities, and intolerances. It is part of the body's poisoning and screwing up the immmune system. An allergic reaction is basically the immune system frieking out and going haywire. It is confused and sees normal things as foreign invaders. But it is confused for a reason that many people are able to correct.
>
> Do you have, or have you ever had, silver fillings in your teeth? If yes, you need to get the book Amalgam Illness, join the Yahoo forum frequent-dose-chelation, and begin removing mercury. Even if you don't have fillings, it would not be a surprise to discover you are toxic with lead, mercury or arsenic, all of which spark off allergic reactions like you wouldn't believe. Testing is fairly easy and safe if done right, quite hard and risky if done wrong. But if you get to that point shoot me a post and I will walk you through it.
>
> Allergies can also be caused by thing like leaky gut syndrome, where molecules are able to get through holes in the intestines without being digested. There are various supplements to help repair that.
>
> A good start with any allergies is to take strong digestive enzymes every time you eat, as well as non-buffered Vitamin C for its acidity, and possibly HCL. All these things help ensure that what you ingest is fully broken down into harmless substances before it enters your bloodstream.
>
> Parasites and candida fungus can also wreak havoc with immune system and allergies. Lab tests for those are usually not accurate. The best treatment is to assume you have them and treat them. There are so many medicines and herbs that kill these things, but one that seems to be the most broad spectrum, powerful, and tolerable, as well as beneficial to the gut, is oil of oregano. People have experienced dramatic reductions in multiple allergies with oil of oregano. Whether it was due to antibacterial, antifungal, antivirus, or other mechanisms, they don't know. It just worked. These folks, like you, had multiple allergies. One person was actually down to eating just 5 different foods because everything else was poison.
>
> Another cause of multiple chemical sensitivities is an imbalanced liver. That is, Phase I is too fast compared to Phase II. There are simple supplements that can adjust your liver function to slow down Phase I and speed up Phase II. This is an extremely common condition in most people with allergies, and is often the actual cause. Simple things like pomegranate juice, grapefruit juice, niacinamide, or niacin can skew your liver function one way or the other. You consume which one you need based on your liver profile, which can be revealed by a lab test called the Liver Detox test.
>
> Whether you have silver fillings or not, you should buy the book Amalgam Illness. In it the PHd author has a chapter and many helpful suggestions on eliminating allergies, sensitivities, and intolerances. Obviously one of the simplest starters is to take an antihistamine. Since you are at a psych board, I wonder if you could tolerate Remeron? With its strong antihistamine action, it could serve as an antidepressant and antiallergy.
>
> I have not visited any, but I am sure there are Multiple Chemical Sensitivity forums on Yahoo. Real people just like you can probably offer some great advice and things that work.
>
> Without dealing with the allergic reactions, you many never be able to find to take the medications that would ultimately help you a lot.
>
> I hope this is helpful. Again, I'm not sure if you had an allergic reaction to effexor or not. But since you are already allergic to 250 other things, well, now it is 251. That is solidly diagnostic of Multiple Chemical Sensitivity which is serious but can be improved dramatically. Amalgam Illness and Yahoo forums should be your next stop, not the psychiatrist.
Bleauberry>
> Sorry , I am short on time today, but I did read and printed out your post! Very Interesting!!!! (I did have silver fillings and do take an antihistamine) I will take your advise, see if I can locate the book, and I have an appointment with one of my Docs and will ask him about some of these test! I am not real rescure with a couple of my doctors, one doesnt know what to do with me and the other wants to continue giving me meds that I am afraid to take !!!!!!
I was taking 2 allergy shots at the same time for 8 months and started getting migraines so I quit, they are wanting me to start them again and I have slid around the subject!!I want to get to the bottom of this!!!!!!!
Thank You So Much, you have been very Helpful.
Posted by bleauberry on February 2, 2008, at 19:36:58
In reply to Re: Effexor XR » bleauberry, posted by aloesf on February 2, 2008, at 16:53:51
>
> Bleauberry>
> > Sorry , I am short on time today, but I did read and printed out your post! Very Interesting!!!! (I did have silver fillings and do take an antihistamine)
> Thank You So Much, you have been very Helpful.
>Wow. Ok. When it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, it is probably a duck. In this case, mercury.
I could go over every angle of this for hours and hours with you. To make it short...
Vast amounts of mercury vapor rise from fillings and absorb into your brain, glands, and intestines, where it stays for your lifetime. Some dentists prove this with saliva samples, before and after chewing a piece of gum, for patients who are skeptical or on the fence about removing silver fillings. Unfortunately, mercury does not stay in the blood circulation very long. It soaks into tissues and stays there forever doing damage. One has to rely on symptoms, history, and specific tests to determine the extent of the poisoning.
There are few things as toxic. Low level chronic exposure sneaks up on you with one illness after another piling up. Doctors are not aware what is happening or why. Mercury totally disrupts the intestines, enzymes, glands, and brain.
Chelation is your ultimate way out. While a lifetime of trying one thing after another to treat symptoms may help, but usually not much, the escape from it all is to remove the poison. Many people get worse and sicker when chelation is done improperly. When nothing is done at all, life is actually an accelerated death process. The book and the forum and its links to websites spell out the safest most successful method of cleaning out.
You are not likely to find a doctor who knows how to diagnose you or treat you. There are 5 on the West Coast USA. The good news is that nearly everything you need to do can be done on your own. A doctor's partnership is a good idea for monitoring your lab tests and progress. But it will ultimately be you calling the shots, ordering which tests you want, and trying the appropriate medicines or supplements.
The book Amalgam Illness by PHd Andrew Cutler will be the second most important book in your life, second only to the Bible. Very experienced folks at frequent-dose-chelation forum on Yahoo can answer almost any question. The underground medical community is lightyears ahead of mainstream medicine when it comes to metal toxicity.
Some people can take fairly large amounts of mercury and show no symptoms. Other people can have severe symptoms from tiny amounts. It is all determined by genes, liver, and blood type. While nearly every major illness known to man can have mercury or lead at its roots, the one universal telltale sign is multiple allergies/sensitivities/intolerances, partnered with psychiatric symptoms. That's the duck I was talking about.
Posted by clipper40 on February 3, 2008, at 9:43:28
In reply to Re: Effexor XR, posted by bleauberry on February 2, 2008, at 19:36:58
Are those 5 West Coast doctors listed in the book you mentioned? If not, how do we find a doctor who knows enough about mercury poisoning and chelation?
My holistic doctor wants me to have my fillings out and suggested a dentist but that's where she left it. I fear that could do more harm than good without the proper follow-up.
Posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2008, at 20:45:21
In reply to Re: Effexor XR » bleauberry, posted by clipper40 on February 3, 2008, at 9:43:28
> Are those 5 West Coast doctors listed in the book you mentioned? If not, how do we find a doctor who knows enough about mercury poisoning and chelation?
Those doctors are available by asking at frequent-dose-chelation forum or adult-metal-chelation forum on Yahoo. Both excellent. I'm sure there are others, but hard to find. The most important thing is to have any doctor of any kind who is open minded and flexible. An ego, a preset agenda, a rigid agenda, going strictly by the Physicians Desk Reference...these things will keep you sick indefinitely.
What most doctors know about chelation is what they have on their desk reference. Which is basically a DMSA or DPMS IV challenge test, and followup IVs to get the metals. These are wicked dangerous. Spend some time at the forums and you'll find more horror stories than you can count. The frequent dose protocol has zero horror stories. You can do it on your own even without a doctor.
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> My holistic doctor wants me to have my fillings out and suggested a dentist but that's where she left it. I fear that could do more harm than good without the proper follow-up.
>
>Your holistic doctor is wise. Except, he should be pounding the table for you to do it, not just politely suggesting it. I could have avoided much worse poisoning and suffering if I had listened to mine who said the same thing. But, who ever heard of amalgam poisoning? How come mercury poisoning isn't well known? Is my doctor just grabbing at straws? I was skeptical, as are most people when they first hear about it.
There are dentists who specialize in it. Find one. They use the safest methods to avoid a lot of new mercury exposure during the process. Search for biological dentists. I had none in my State, but found one 1 1/2 hours away by doing a google search. They were awesome, fast, and very knowledgeable. I mean, when you see a dentist wearing a chemical gas mask, you know they take mercury seriously.
Despite the safest methods (constant suction in the mouth, charcoal in the mouth, strong suction ventilation out of the room, filters, etc) there will be some new exposure. But that's it. The constant 24/7 exposure is gone.
Some people do not chelate after. Some of them gradually get better, many don't.
Chelation is really quite simple and cheap. Oral DMSA can be purchased online without a prescription from several USA sources. You want 25mg to split into halves or quarters. But it has to be the right method. Any other way is too risky. You can begin immediately after the amalgams are gone.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 7, 2008, at 22:43:00
In reply to Re: Effexor XR, posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2008, at 20:45:21
> > how do we find a doctor who knows enough about mercury poisoning and chelation?
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding chelation to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20080110/msgs/811436.html
Thanks,
Bob
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