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Posted by Maxime on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:19
Well, I am still depressed.
I went off my Trileptal very slowly and when I was off it completely for one week, I became hypomanic. I waited about a week before taking it again because my behaviour was out of control.
Now I am having psychotic symptoms which is scary.
I am not taking the imipramine and Pamelor anymore since it didn't help.
I just started taking an increased dosage of Tryptophan. I was on one gram a day and now I am on 8 grams. We shall see what happens, but my guess is nothing.
That's all.
Maxime
Posted by rjlockhart on August 11, 2007, at 22:24:25
In reply to update, posted by Maxime on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:19
Maxime!
i glad your back and i know phillipa is too.
I can tell you one thing that i am very depressed to because of this strattera awful discusting drug for me....
I hate it. So how, well its been a while.
Have you thought of looking for a doctor that is more compromising on prescribing prescriptions in your case or its the kind that go by the book.
My doctor is pretty nice but he will put a wall up and say no. He was licenced in 1955.
My stepdad takes Trileptal. Siezures.
Maxime can you tell a doctor that this depression has littlerly made you where cannot cope with life, and maybe he will prescibe Dexedrine? spansule? In the past you have said you have been on MAOI's. Are you resistant to alot meds, well the reason im asking is that you have been on many.
What im thinking maybe what have worked........your rerember Cylert? that at a higher dosage with some antianxiety meds. But it was taken off in US in 1999 for being responisble Liver Failer, i wished that danm drug stayed on so i could take it over nasty discusting strattara.
i smoke when im depressed.......which im 20. I've so got to quit.
Anyways stay in there.
Phillipa back her up...yea!
Matt
Posted by Phillipa on August 11, 2007, at 23:30:07
In reply to update, posted by Maxime on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:19
Hi Maxie good to hear from you. Still working? Sorry the meds didn't work out but hope the tryptophan does. Love Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 11:44:42
In reply to update, posted by Maxime on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:19
Maxie it must be horrible did you get diagnosed with bipolar? And was the trileptal high dose? I once took low dose and it didn't do a thing.
Most of our buddies are no longer posting don't know if you've been reading or not. I miss a lot of them. Love Phillipa
Posted by maxime on August 12, 2007, at 14:49:40
In reply to Re: update, posted by rjlockhart on August 11, 2007, at 22:24:25
Hey.
My doctor will prescribe just about anything for me ... within in reason. I am on 30 mg of Adderall XR which helps a bit.
We've tried everything, there isn't a med I haven't tried.
Maxime
> Maxime!
>
> i glad your back and i know phillipa is too.
>
> I can tell you one thing that i am very depressed to because of this strattera awful discusting drug for me....
>
> I hate it. So how, well its been a while.
>
> Have you thought of looking for a doctor that is more compromising on prescribing prescriptions in your case or its the kind that go by the book.
>
> My doctor is pretty nice but he will put a wall up and say no. He was licenced in 1955.
>
> My stepdad takes Trileptal. Siezures.
>
> Maxime can you tell a doctor that this depression has littlerly made you where cannot cope with life, and maybe he will prescibe Dexedrine? spansule? In the past you have said you have been on MAOI's. Are you resistant to alot meds, well the reason im asking is that you have been on many.
>
> What im thinking maybe what have worked........your rerember Cylert? that at a higher dosage with some antianxiety meds. But it was taken off in US in 1999 for being responisble Liver Failer, i wished that danm drug stayed on so i could take it over nasty discusting strattara.
>
> i smoke when im depressed.......which im 20. I've so got to quit.
>
> Anyways stay in there.
>
> Phillipa back her up...yea!
>
> Matt
Posted by maxime on August 12, 2007, at 14:51:51
In reply to Re: update, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 11:44:42
> Maxie it must be horrible did you get diagnosed with bipolar? And was the trileptal high dose? I once took low dose and it didn't do a thing.
>
> Most of our buddies are no longer posting don't know if you've been reading or not. I miss a lot of them. Love PhillipaNope, I haven't been reading. I don't have time.
Yes, I have been dx'd as BP type 2 several times. I was only taking 450 mg of trileptal.
And yes, I am still working. I have no choice!
maxime
Posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 20:37:46
In reply to Re: update » Phillipa, posted by maxime on August 12, 2007, at 14:51:51
Maxie what other mood stabalizers have you been on? Have you gotten manic or just stay in a depression? I'm sorry you must work. Love Phillipa
Posted by tecknohed on August 14, 2007, at 6:34:33
In reply to update, posted by Maxime on August 11, 2007, at 20:43:19
> Well, I am still depressed.
>
> I went off my Trileptal very slowly and when I was off it completely for one week, I became hypomanic. I waited about a week before taking it again because my behaviour was out of control.
>
> Now I am having psychotic symptoms which is scary.
>
> I am not taking the imipramine and Pamelor anymore since it didn't help.
>
> I just started taking an increased dosage of Tryptophan. I was on one gram a day and now I am on 8 grams. We shall see what happens, but my guess is nothing.
>
> That's all.
>
> MaximeHi. Sorry you're still not having much success.
About the tryptophan- firstly, a good choice I think, better than 5-HTP. But how is your diet?
Appologies if you already know all this, but diet is crucial when taking tryptophan.
Ideally you want your meals to be (roughly) 20% protein & 50-60%+ carbs. This will get more tryptophan into the brain for conversion because of the amino acid ratios. But its also important not to drop the protein, otherwise you 'may' experience excess tiredness.
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 16:48:15
In reply to Re: update, posted by tecknohed on August 14, 2007, at 6:34:33
Umm, I am anorexic, so diet is not my strong suit. I restrict to 250 calories a day.
Nothing is really happening from the trytophan except an upset stomach.
Since restricting caloric intake can cause depression, I thought the tryptophan might help because I am not getting in my diet.
Doom.
Maxime
>
> Hi. Sorry you're still not having much success.
> About the tryptophan- firstly, a good choice I think, better than 5-HTP. But how is your diet?
> Appologies if you already know all this, but diet is crucial when taking tryptophan.
> Ideally you want your meals to be (roughly) 20% protein & 50-60%+ carbs. This will get more tryptophan into the brain for conversion because of the amino acid ratios. But its also important not to drop the protein, otherwise you 'may' experience excess tiredness.
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 16:50:31
In reply to Re: update » maxime, posted by Phillipa on August 12, 2007, at 20:37:46
> Maxie what other mood stabalizers have you been on? Have you gotten manic or just stay in a depression? I'm sorry you must work. Love Phillipa
I've been on every mood stabiliser out there. Name and I have been on it.
Mania? Doesn't happen when I am on trileptal. When I go off I get hypomanic which isn't pleasant. It doesn't lift my mood.
Maxime
Posted by tecknohed on August 19, 2007, at 18:34:40
In reply to Re: update » tecknohed, posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 16:48:15
It need not be all doom. All I was really trying to say was that for tryptophan to cross the blood-brain barrier easily you need a fairly high ratio (not ammount) of carbs to a low-ish ratio of
protein.And dont forget your vits & mins, especially Zinc, a deficiency of which can only add to or even cause anorexia. Nothing from experience, just what I've read.
Ever thought of adding an amino acid supplement to your regime? Available from health food shops you simply take them with water. They contain all the essential aminos. They are essential so can only do good & wont effect your calorie intake. Just a pitty they're not free. Take these some hours before your tryptophan. Also have you tried taking your whole daily tryptophan dose at night?
Its known that euphoria can be experienced some hours after a large-ish (5+gram) dose of tryptophan. I know, I've tried it before going to a techno club high as a kite! Got the idea from a book called Legal Highs.
Nice to see you still posting by the way. And I look forward to reading your success story - soon I hope!
Stay determined & you'll get there in the end. We all will if we stay determined (:
Kev.
> Umm, I am anorexic, so diet is not my strong suit. I restrict to 250 calories a day.
>
> Nothing is really happening from the trytophan except an upset stomach.
>
> Since restricting caloric intake can cause depression, I thought the tryptophan might help because I am not getting in my diet.
>
> Doom.
>
> Maxime
>
> >
> > Hi. Sorry you're still not having much success.
> > About the tryptophan- firstly, a good choice I think, better than 5-HTP. But how is your diet?
> > Appologies if you already know all this, but diet is crucial when taking tryptophan.
> > Ideally you want your meals to be (roughly) 20% protein & 50-60%+ carbs. This will get more tryptophan into the brain for conversion because of the amino acid ratios. But its also important not to drop the protein, otherwise you 'may' experience excess tiredness.
>
>
Posted by Maxime on August 19, 2007, at 19:34:28
In reply to Re: update » Maxime, posted by tecknohed on August 19, 2007, at 18:34:40
Thanks :)
I do take vitamins and minerals.
I live in Canada and I don't think I have seen an amino acid supplement, but I can look next time I am in the US.
I tried taking all the tryptophan at night and I woke up and I had to throw up (and I have fear of throwing up). I figured the tryptophan had upset my stomach in such a large dose.
Euphoria? I would settle for somewhat happy part of the time at this point. Beats psychotic and suicidal. :(
Thanks again for your post ... it was helpful!
Maxime
> It need not be all doom. All I was really trying to say was that for tryptophan to cross the blood-brain barrier easily you need a fairly high ratio (not ammount) of carbs to a low-ish ratio of
> protein.
>
> And dont forget your vits & mins, especially Zinc, a deficiency of which can only add to or even cause anorexia. Nothing from experience, just what I've read.
>
> Ever thought of adding an amino acid supplement to your regime? Available from health food shops you simply take them with water. They contain all the essential aminos. They are essential so can only do good & wont effect your calorie intake. Just a pitty they're not free. Take these some hours before your tryptophan. Also have you tried taking your whole daily tryptophan dose at night?
>
>
>
> Its known that euphoria can be experienced some hours after a large-ish (5+gram) dose of tryptophan. I know, I've tried it before going to a techno club high as a kite! Got the idea from a book called Legal Highs.
>
>
>
>
>
> Nice to see you still posting by the way. And I look forward to reading your success story - soon I hope!
>
> Stay determined & you'll get there in the end. We all will if we stay determined (:
>
> Kev.
>
> > Umm, I am anorexic, so diet is not my strong suit. I restrict to 250 calories a day.
> >
> > Nothing is really happening from the trytophan except an upset stomach.
> >
> > Since restricting caloric intake can cause depression, I thought the tryptophan might help because I am not getting in my diet.
> >
> > Doom.
> >
> > Maxime
> >
> > >
> > > Hi. Sorry you're still not having much success.
> > > About the tryptophan- firstly, a good choice I think, better than 5-HTP. But how is your diet?
> > > Appologies if you already know all this, but diet is crucial when taking tryptophan.
> > > Ideally you want your meals to be (roughly) 20% protein & 50-60%+ carbs. This will get more tryptophan into the brain for conversion because of the amino acid ratios. But its also important not to drop the protein, otherwise you 'may' experience excess tiredness.
> >
> >
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