![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 9 of 9. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by TheMeanReds on March 3, 2007, at 12:24:00
How does a person know if they are not having the kind of seizures that are in the movies: body flipping out, foaming mouth. But the other kind? The movies probably dont even create a true picture. I've never seen a seizure in real life.
What I mean...the types that are 'smaller'? I'm on a couple of anti seizure meds, but how do I know if I'm having the 'small' seizures? I never heard of these untill the other day...
I am bipolar II, and I never knew it, so how do I know if I have small seizures or not?
The Mean Reds
(ps this name isnt supposed to be scary, its a quote from Breakfest At Tiffany's)
Posted by Phillipa on March 3, 2007, at 13:35:52
In reply to seizures, posted by TheMeanReds on March 3, 2007, at 12:24:00
It's hard some people just have a little twitch of a facial muscle or other. Maybe google seizures? Love Phillipa
Posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 15:02:54
In reply to seizures, posted by TheMeanReds on March 3, 2007, at 12:24:00
>How does a person know if they are not having the kind of seizures that are in the movies: body flipping out, foaming mouth. But the other kind? The movies probably dont even create a true picture. I've never seen a seizure in real life.
They are pretty much like what you see in the movies, but maybe a little less violent and melodramatic than what you see on ER. My mother used to go stiff and rigid like a board, but with only a tiny stream of white foam coming from her mouth - it seems to be caused by saliva turning frothy as it's forced through the tiny gaps between the teeth and lips on the outbreath.
>I am bipolar II, and I never knew it, so how do I know if I have small seizures or not?
Were you prescribed the anticonvulsants for seizures or psychiatric purposes? Being prescribed anticonvulsants for bipolar doesn't mean that you have a seizure disorder (though bipolar disorder was once referred to as the 'Epileptic Personality').
I had childhood epilepsy, though I don't know what type it was for sure or what meds I was taking. I only recall one of (what I assume were) absence seizures where I was standing in line in the school playground while the teachers were calling the register. In what seemed to me like the next instant the whole playground was empty and it had started to snow, and I was standing there all alone with a little bit of drool running from the corner of my mouth - I guess I must have been standing there with it open for quite a while. I could see lessons had started in the classrooms, but nobody said anything when I came in from outside. I suppose they thought I was being ignorant or doing it to get attention or something.
If you experience something like that then you might be having 'petit mal' or absence seizures, but there are other typres such as temporal lobe epilepsy. It can be as hard to differentiate types of epilepsy as it can be with psychiatric diagnoses.
http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/epilepsy_temporallobe.html
Q
Posted by Squiggles on March 3, 2007, at 18:24:34
In reply to Re: seizures » TheMeanReds, posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 15:02:54
I know that the some current literature links seizures (myoclonic or temporal) to bipolar disorder. But I have always been sceptical of this association, first because i have not seen it described in Kraepelin except in some of the few symptomatic cases where epilepsy was the first dx, and second, because the only time i hade "myoclonic" seizure/stroke[?] was during an attempt to withdraw from clonazepam. Never before nor after in 20 some yrs. of bp dx, have i had seizures. I grant you that I have not been taken off lithium, but even in the few times of discontinuing or reducing lithium personally for at most 6 months, i did not have seizures.
So, i am sceptical as to whether i would have seizures if taken off lithium. Is it possible that beepers are given anticonvulsants and get seizures upon discontinuation of these drugs?
There are many types of seizure:
Posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 18:57:45
In reply to Re: seizures, posted by Squiggles on March 3, 2007, at 18:24:34
They're not talking about convulsions when they refer to the 'Epileptic Personality';
__________________________________________________"Explosiveness"
THE EPILEPTIC PERSONALITY:
Many epileptics and certain other people who do not have fits are very egocentric. They always want their own way, and they have to be the centre of the picture so that everyone and everything in the neighbourhood has to revolve around them. Such people, are of course, deficient in affection and regard for other people. The type of person we are considering is often singularly inconsiderate of others, even of his nearest relations. This being the case, he is peculiarly sensitive to anything which threatens or interferes with himself or his pride. When this happens he is apt to explode into ungovernable tantrums and outbursts of rage. Often it is difficult for the onlooker to determine what it is all about, since it is only with difficulty that he can realize the extreme sensitivity and remarkable egocentricity of these subjects. Nor is it easy to deal with them, since they think that regard for themselves overrides all other considerations; and since they have little or no affection for others, there is nothing to appeal to in the way of altruistic feeling or rules of ethical behaviour.
Excerpt from "Psychology - the study of man's mind" The New Education Library 1959.
__________________________________________________Q
Posted by TheMeanReds on March 4, 2007, at 11:26:44
In reply to The Epileptic Personality » Squiggles, posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 18:57:45
Before I was on Bipolar meds I would have the 'explosiveness'. I would have boyfriends who were 'romantics', and I would never show deep affection, because I thought It would show weakness. I'd never return 'i love you', unless it was said first to me, and sometimes I would never say it back. If someone introduced me first as 'so-and-so's girlfriend' and then my name, I would be livid. But if someone would say this is 'my name', 'so and so's girlfriend' it wouldnt offend me as much. I always thought it was a feminist behavior, to not appear to be owned by a man.
If a man hurt my feelings I would just become extremely angry and break up with them....in a very theatrical fashion. I call these 'explosions'...'making the local tabloids'. Because everyone would gossip, but thats what I wanted, the final attention on me. And they still gossip about my explosions untill this day. No one is talking about them though, and I sometimes refer to this as winning.
Pretty manipulative. No, really manipulative.
Posted by TheMeanReds on March 4, 2007, at 11:32:07
In reply to Re: seizures » TheMeanReds, posted by Quintal on March 3, 2007, at 15:02:54
Thanks for the insight Q.
I think I may have the type that is Psychic. I read tarot, and do natal charts. I will see 'signs' that I will decide just exactly what to do with a situation. I guess that is sort of schizo. But, when I have dreams about things, and then they happen exactly the way I dreamt, I'm skeptical about being crazy. Maybe its half and half?
And of course meds always 'damper' visions.
Posted by Declan on March 4, 2007, at 14:18:51
In reply to explosiveness, posted by TheMeanReds on March 4, 2007, at 11:26:44
>if someone introduced me first as 'so-and-so's girlfriend' and then my name, I would be livid. But if someone would say this is 'my name', 'so and so's girlfriend' it wouldnt offend me as much. I always thought it was a feminist behavior, to not appear to be owned by a man.
If a man hurt my feelings I would just become extremely angry and break up with them....in a very theatrical fashion.<
Manipulative?
Yes.
But in your defence I would like to say that it wasn't just you, was it?
It was part of a fashion that swept the world.
Do you think so?
Posted by TheMeanReds on March 5, 2007, at 11:23:55
In reply to Re: explosiveness » TheMeanReds, posted by Declan on March 4, 2007, at 14:18:51
> >if someone introduced me first as 'so-and-so's girlfriend' and then my name, I would be livid. But if someone would say this is 'my name', 'so and so's girlfriend' it wouldnt offend me as much. I always thought it was a feminist behavior, to not appear to be owned by a man.
> If a man hurt my feelings I would just become extremely angry and break up with them....in a very theatrical fashion.<
>
>
> Manipulative?
> Yes.
> But in your defence I would like to say that it wasn't just you, was it?
> It was part of a fashion that swept the world.
> Do you think so?I've taken every class on women's history, and sociology of women. Yes I do think there was/is a trend, one for the better. And I think women are still 'fighting' for rights. Growing up in a domestically violent home, I highly support the movement, and want to see change in society in day to day life. If you watch television...all the cleaning products are aimed at women. I could go on and on.
I live in a suburb where most of the women are housewives and go shopping at the shopping malls made especially for them. And just 2 blocks away there is a minority lower class neighborhood...and those people work for the people who live in suburbia. And maybe I tend to get too angry.
Once I dated a man (boy) who had traditional idiealism about women in the home, just to prove him wrong.
Manipulative. Good experiment though.
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.