![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 4 of 4. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by willyee on December 15, 2006, at 13:41:14
i just wanted to comment on a response you noted..
"Why not just leave these "idiots" alone and allow them to live their reality?
Antidepressants seem to be held in low-esteem here. You would think that someone is with premeditation trying to shove sh*t down our throats against our will. Like it or not, these drugs are the results of the best efforts of medical science. They are the best tools we have to work with. Be thankful that any of these drugs exist at all. Yeah, 50 years from now, things will be different. There will be fewer cases of depression and bipolar disorder resistant to the treatments that will be available in the future. However, now is now. Creative combinations of the drugs that currently exist is probably the key to many cases that are difficult to treat. So, you can throw tantrums, trash the tools, and avoid working with them diligently, or remain positive and constructive, develop treatment strategies, and follow-through with drug trials, understanding that there might be quite a few failures before success is achieved.
- Scott"I believe you are so right,i think many of us can/have come to the conclusion weve been lied to,lied to on what is really known about the illness,lied to about the knowledage of the drugs being offered,and in general enough to have many people undsterdanably distrust the system.
HOWEVER like it or not,we have few options,we can go off all drugs,either on nothing or go a holistic route,we can turn to HARDER street drugs,or we can work as hard as we can to take what i say is CRAP and make it close to gold as possable.
The last option,since this is a drug board is what people choose to do a lot,and since we have moved past lies we need to use people such as ourselves who have,been there,done that,to help each other try to work what we have into SOMETHING plausable enough to help us.
I know people off meds,and people who never touched meds,and they suffer as i do,so i think im gonna stay on the med route as getting off it i dont think will help.I understand,BUT at the same time dont see no good in continuing to point out what we know already about the lies,and so on.The depression is pain,life is short,many of us dont want to live the remainder in total pain,so we are accepting that we have been misinformed but choosing to go forward.
There are many outlets that share mostly the ugly side of the lies and so on,and i can see why some might want to particpate,i however have a priotrity of working this crap and thats what i want,trust me i can speak all day about articles and lies i can now easly see about these drugs,but again it will not help when there are big bucks moving around,in fact in the U.S im seeing a LOT of commercials latly for psych drugs,more than usual,i want to squeaze what i can out of the life i do have,rather than continue to discuss the lies ive been given.
I do however now admit,possably to a lil maturity that i do need help,i no longer think i can do it myself,i need input from treatment resistant people,and people who know there stuff,examples declan,sls,ed uk,etc,along with other sites,i understand now the people around me simply cant help me.
I am rambling i know,im never good and compressing my view,ill try one more time.
New Year,lets let the view who want to work togther to hurdle over the lies and offer each other as much possable support,information wise that we possably can.
Lets get past the lies and anger,and aim for some relieaf.
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2006, at 14:05:57
In reply to Deserves some cheer for that SLS, posted by willyee on December 15, 2006, at 13:41:14
I think Scott's attitude is his best tool. He doesn't give up and I admire him very much. He's a wonderful person. And he's doing his best to get well. As am I. Please no lectures okay? Love Phillipa
Posted by tensor on December 15, 2006, at 21:20:42
In reply to Deserves some cheer for that SLS, posted by willyee on December 15, 2006, at 13:41:14
>Antidepressants seem to be held in low-esteem here. You would think that someone is with premeditation trying to shove sh*t down our throats against our will. Like it or not, these drugs are the results of the best efforts of medical science. They are the best tools we have to work with. Be thankful that any of these drugs exist at all. Yeah, 50 years from now, things will be different. There will be fewer cases of depression and bipolar disorder resistant to the treatments that will be available in the future. However, now is now. Creative combinations of the drugs that currently exist is probably the key to many cases that are difficult to treat. So, you can throw tantrums, trash the tools, and avoid working with them diligently, or remain positive and constructive, develop treatment strategies, and follow-through with drug trials, understanding that there might be quite a few failures before success is achieved.
This is exactly my opinion. Researchers in all disciplines of science, is the elite of mankind. If we fail or succeed in finding a "cure" lie in their hands. The success of newer medications like SSRI or SNRIs e.g. is because of trial and error in real life. We have these meds because our ancestors went through some good and some really bad methods in the quest of relief. Wouldn't it be an insult to these if we just threw away all that experience we have learned? Just as our successors and ourselves can have even better meds and methods because of the misery and pain we have gone through with limited, yet, well-funded researched meds we have today.
For every med that is being approved, tried and disapproved we are getting closer. It's not for free. Nothing is for free.
/Mattias
Posted by tessellated on December 16, 2006, at 22:21:52
In reply to Re: Deserves some cheer for that SLS » willyee, posted by tensor on December 15, 2006, at 21:20:42
not to be negative, but most drug "research" is funded by the company with the drug patent. heck ever hear of the particle wave duality? this is not science-its profiteering. personally, i do not believe that these "researchers" are the elite. omg, psychiatric degress are the easiest to get, no chopping up hearts, lungs, stomachs...it (nor medicine) is a science, it is a business with an scientific facade; hence the current dirth of pdoc applicants because as a discipline its lost almost all its authority, all its prestige.
at its highest medicine is an art form.
and it is the best we have, and has come a long way in a short time. 58 years ago we isolated serotonin. now we have fMRI.
yes, and we do have options. that is good. non-invasive imaging techniques and genomic analysis opens doors like never before. these aspects of the science are where i have faith for the industry.
pill pushing fits readily into double blind studies. its a clear formula, offering predictable statistical profit margins.
all knowledge (epistemology) is based on or from some form of relevant or irrelevant profiteering. i just think its poppycock to give any ethical applause to the pharmaceutical industry as a whole in this day and age.
unfortunately, this doesn't mean i won't support it financially.
we, the US have the best medical system on the planet.
too bad no one can afford it.
we're sooo steeped in irony, the word is meaningless.l8
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.