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Posted by sparkles on August 25, 2006, at 22:21:01
I tried lyrica for four months given to me for migraines. It had terrible side effects! It gave me worse migraines, fainting and stopping breathing, weight gain (40 lbs. in 2 months), and I was even rushed to the hospital for an effect that mimicked a stroke. I asked to be taken off of it. I was on 400 mg a day. I was supposed to cut down 50 mg every three days. I went thru terrible withdrawls. I also take xanax for panic and anxiety disorder, 3mg a day. I was so nauseous for months after being off the lyrica my psychiatrist added another mg of xanax a day. That did not help. I couldn't leave the house. Then the doctor put me on perphenazjne. It is not addictive and it can be taken every 8 hours. You can take 2-4 mg per dose. I have since cut my xanax dose in half and only take the perphenazine 1-2 times a day. I strongly urge people to stay away from lyrica
Posted by Tom Twilight on August 26, 2006, at 1:39:56
In reply to lyrica is bad news, posted by sparkles on August 25, 2006, at 22:21:01
Well my experiences wasn't as bad as sparkles!
However I don't think its the med for anxiety it was hyped as being :(
It had a diuretic affect on me to which was weired
Posted by SLS on August 26, 2006, at 6:06:09
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news, posted by Tom Twilight on August 26, 2006, at 1:39:56
Hi Tom.
> Well my experiences wasn't as bad as sparkles!
>
> However I don't think its the med for anxiety it was hyped as being :(
>
> It had a diuretic affect on me to which was weired
What dosage did you reach?What made you decide to discontinue it?
- Scott
Posted by Tom Twilight on August 26, 2006, at 7:55:20
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » Tom Twilight, posted by SLS on August 26, 2006, at 6:06:09
Hey Scot
I went straight to 200mgs three times a day which might have been part of the problem.
At first it had a good anti-anxiety affect, without the depression and dumbing you get with Benzo's.
It made me feel kind of "high" really.I noticed cognitive problems straight away though, and needing to pee a lot!
Funnily enough the anti anxiety affect fade, and instead it caused more anxiety, and also insomnia.
A frustrating med, wish Ocinaplon had been aproved!
Posted by SLS on August 26, 2006, at 8:35:51
In reply to Lyrica-For SLS, posted by Tom Twilight on August 26, 2006, at 7:55:20
Hi Tom.
Thanks for responding.
> I went straight to 200mgs three times a day which might have been part of the problem.
Wow. I'm supposed to start at 25mg t.i.d.
> At first it had a good anti-anxiety affect, without the depression and dumbing you get with Benzo's.
> It made me feel kind of "high" really.
>
> I noticed cognitive problems straight away though,In what ways did it affect you cognitively? Did the effects lessen over time?
> Funnily enough the anti anxiety affect fade, and instead it caused more anxiety, and also insomnia.
Hmm. Interesting. Perhaps that's indicative of the energizing effect reported by Crazy Horse. He described it as having an antidepressant effect. That's what I'm hoping for.
I'm worried that my prescription plan won't cover Lyrica. If it doesn't, I doubt I will try it at this time. There aren't enough success stories yet to pursuade me to spend the money.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2006, at 9:59:07
In reply to Re: Lyrica-For SLS » Tom Twilight, posted by SLS on August 26, 2006, at 8:35:51
Scott Jakeman is or was using it too with EMSAM. If you have his E-mail use that if not babble him. He said he's not on the computer that much anymore. But he must check his messages. Love Phillipa
Posted by MARTY on August 27, 2006, at 15:00:25
In reply to lyrica is bad news, posted by sparkles on August 25, 2006, at 22:21:01
Hi --I think your post doesn't help anyone. I'm sorry it didn't work for you but that doesn't mean it couldn't work for everyone.
Lyrica is an underused drug in many pdoc's opinion.
I heard many people saying that it works for them and some even saying it saved their life!
One of my friend and I are doing so well on it that we may say in time that it has saved our life too.
Every single meds had some people doing VERY BADLY on them and almost killed some. But for every person having those bad experience, their are at least 100 others than are doing better because of it.
Hope you'll do better on your next med try,
Marty
Posted by MARTY on August 27, 2006, at 15:03:54
In reply to Lyrica-For SLS, posted by Tom Twilight on August 26, 2006, at 7:55:20
> A frustrating med, wish Ocinaplon had been aproved!Take a look on this article. FDA allowed the maker of Ocinaplon to resume their phase III clinical trial. :) good news eh ?
http://panicdisorder.about.com/b/a/095407.htm#
Marty
Posted by Tom Twilight on August 28, 2006, at 12:02:13
In reply to Re: Lyrica-For SLS » Tom Twilight, posted by MARTY on August 27, 2006, at 15:03:54
Hey Marty
You got my hopes up there, unfortunatly the article is quite out of date, for some reason Ocinaplon has been discontinued :(
Posted by MARTY on August 28, 2006, at 12:19:26
In reply to Ocinaplon, posted by Tom Twilight on August 28, 2006, at 12:02:13
Too bad :S Let's keep the faith.. there's so much in the pipeline.http://www.neurotransmitter.net/newdrugs.html
Marty
> Hey Marty
>
> You got my hopes up there, unfortunatly the article is quite out of date, for some reason Ocinaplon has been discontinued :(
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 29, 2006, at 13:47:07
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » sparkles, posted by MARTY on August 27, 2006, at 15:00:25
>
> Hi --
>
> I think your post doesn't help anyone. I'm sorry it didn't work for you but that doesn't mean it couldn't work for everyone.
>
> Lyrica is an underused drug in many pdoc's opinion.
>
> I heard many people saying that it works for them and some even saying it saved their life!
>
> One of my friend and I are doing so well on it that we may say in time that it has saved our life too.
>
> Every single meds had some people doing VERY BADLY on them and almost killed some. But for every person having those bad experience, their are at least 100 others than are doing better because of it.
>
> Hope you'll do better on your next med try,
>
> MartyI agree 100% with Marty's post! Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
-Monte
Posted by SLS on August 29, 2006, at 14:49:19
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on August 29, 2006, at 13:47:07
> Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
Hi Monte.
I'm glad to see you back. It is surely good news that Lyrica continues to work for you.
How did you titrate up to 600mg?
- Scott
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 29, 2006, at 17:19:29
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » Crazy Horse, posted by SLS on August 29, 2006, at 14:49:19
> > Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
>
> Hi Monte.
>
> I'm glad to see you back. It is surely good news that Lyrica continues to work for you.
>
> How did you titrate up to 600mg?
>
> Hi Scott,Thank you for the nice welcome back.
I started slow, 50 mgs. t.i.d., and increased it by 50 mgs. about every 3 days until i reached 600 mgs. Now i like 300 mgs b.i.d. I take 300 at 7:00 a.m. and 300 at 1:00 p.m. and it works beautifully.
My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
How are you doing Scott? I highly recommend trying high dose Lyrica. For me it has been a miracle drug! I hope and pray it lasts. ;)
-Monte
Posted by SLS on August 29, 2006, at 17:42:41
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » SLS, posted by Crazy Horse on August 29, 2006, at 17:19:29
> > > Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
> >
> > Hi Monte.
> >
> > I'm glad to see you back. It is surely good news that Lyrica continues to work for you.
> >
> > How did you titrate up to 600mg?
> >
> > Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you for the nice welcome back.
>
> I started slow, 50 mgs. t.i.d., and increased it by 50 mgs. about every 3 days until i reached 600 mgs. Now i like 300 mgs b.i.d. I take 300 at 7:00 a.m. and 300 at 1:00 p.m. and it works beautifully.
>
> My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
> How are you doing Scott?Not too well. I tried taking sibutramine 20mg. It made me feel worse after two weeks, and I still haven't fully recovered. I stopped taking it five days ago.
I discussed trying Lyrica with my doctor, and he gave me a prescription for 25mg t.i.d. He has a few patients taking 300mg. I haven't started it yet. I didn't want to start taking it while I was still feeling worse from the sibutramine.
Did you ever try Neurontin?
> I highly recommend trying high dose Lyrica. For me it has been a miracle drug!
> I hope and pray it lasts. ;)
Me too!
Stay well.
- Scott
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 30, 2006, at 9:07:48
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » Crazy Horse, posted by SLS on August 29, 2006, at 17:42:41
> > > > Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
> > >
> > > Hi Monte.
> > >
> > > I'm glad to see you back. It is surely good news that Lyrica continues to work for you.
> > >
> > > How did you titrate up to 600mg?
> > >
> > > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Thank you for the nice welcome back.
> >
> > I started slow, 50 mgs. t.i.d., and increased it by 50 mgs. about every 3 days until i reached 600 mgs. Now i like 300 mgs b.i.d. I take 300 at 7:00 a.m. and 300 at 1:00 p.m. and it works beautifully.
> >
> > My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
>
>
> > How are you doing Scott?
>
> Not too well. I tried taking sibutramine 20mg. It made me feel worse after two weeks, and I still haven't fully recovered. I stopped taking it five days ago.
>
> I discussed trying Lyrica with my doctor, and he gave me a prescription for 25mg t.i.d. He has a few patients taking 300mg. I haven't started it yet. I didn't want to start taking it while I was still feeling worse from the sibutramine.
>
> Did you ever try Neurontin?
>
> > I highly recommend trying high dose Lyrica. For me it has been a miracle drug!
>
> > I hope and pray it lasts. ;)
>
> Me too!
>
> Stay well.
>
>
> - ScottI'm sorry you aren't feeling well Scott. I agree, wait until you are feeling a little better before you give the Lyrica a try. But be patient with Lyrica. At low dose you will probably feel sedated. Low dose = sedation, high dose = energy. It took me a few weeks of slow titration until i got up to the 300-400 mg. range before i could feel the energizing, mood elevation effect. You (i hope and believe) will "feel" the difference when you get to the 3-400 mg. range. It's a very noticable and nice feeling.
Yes, I have tried Neurontin before. I was on 1200 mgs. a day for 6 months in 1999, and it did nothing for me. Lyrica is like a new and improved version of gabapentin. 3 to 10 times more powerful. There is like one molecule diference between the 2 drugs. No comparison in my opinion.
I REALLY hope it works for you Scott.
- Monte
Posted by gardenergirl on August 30, 2006, at 10:02:04
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » sparkles, posted by MARTY on August 27, 2006, at 15:00:25
> I think your post doesn't help anyone.Marty,
Keeping in mind that the idea here is support and not posting anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, would you please rephrase the above?If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civilThanks,
deputy gg
Posted by MARTY on August 30, 2006, at 12:08:58
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news, posted by Crazy Horse on August 30, 2006, at 9:07:48
Hi Montidlididou, :)Hey I can't remember the last time I bashed you in public .. ? bah, I'm sure I didn't bust my monthly quota anyway... so, let's do this, I dont have all day :P
Pregabalin (Lyrica) and Gabapentin (Neurontin) are both molecules. Pregabalin can't be "a molecule difference" from Neurontin. :D
But you're right: they are different and Pregabalin is more potent in some aspect.what ? don't look me like this! at least I'm talking to you :) eheh
Didn't have news from you since your computer crashed. Hope to catch you on MSN soon.
Marty
> > > > > Lyrica has been working EXTREMELY WELL for me for over 2 mos. At 300 mgs. b.i.d. i feel relaxed, my mood is excellent, i am pro-social, and i have an abundance of energy. For many, high dose Lyrica=a very much improved quality of life!
> > > >
> > > > Hi Monte.
> > > >
> > > > I'm glad to see you back. It is surely good news that Lyrica continues to work for you.
> > > >
> > > > How did you titrate up to 600mg?
> > > >
> > > > Hi Scott,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the nice welcome back.
> > >
> > > I started slow, 50 mgs. t.i.d., and increased it by 50 mgs. about every 3 days until i reached 600 mgs. Now i like 300 mgs b.i.d. I take 300 at 7:00 a.m. and 300 at 1:00 p.m. and it works beautifully.
> > >
> > > My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
> >
> >
> > > How are you doing Scott?
> >
> > Not too well. I tried taking sibutramine 20mg. It made me feel worse after two weeks, and I still haven't fully recovered. I stopped taking it five days ago.
> >
> > I discussed trying Lyrica with my doctor, and he gave me a prescription for 25mg t.i.d. He has a few patients taking 300mg. I haven't started it yet. I didn't want to start taking it while I was still feeling worse from the sibutramine.
> >
> > Did you ever try Neurontin?
> >
> > > I highly recommend trying high dose Lyrica. For me it has been a miracle drug!
> >
> > > I hope and pray it lasts. ;)
> >
> > Me too!
> >
> > Stay well.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> I'm sorry you aren't feeling well Scott. I agree, wait until you are feeling a little better before you give the Lyrica a try. But be patient with Lyrica. At low dose you will probably feel sedated. Low dose = sedation, high dose = energy. It took me a few weeks of slow titration until i got up to the 300-400 mg. range before i could feel the energizing, mood elevation effect. You (i hope and believe) will "feel" the difference when you get to the 3-400 mg. range. It's a very noticable and nice feeling.
>
> Yes, I have tried Neurontin before. I was on 1200 mgs. a day for 6 months in 1999, and it did nothing for me. Lyrica is like a new and improved version of gabapentin. 3 to 10 times more powerful. There is like one molecule diference between the 2 drugs. No comparison in my opinion.
>
> I REALLY hope it works for you Scott.
>
> - Monte
Posted by MARTY on August 30, 2006, at 12:22:26
In reply to Please rephrase this » MARTY, posted by gardenergirl on August 30, 2006, at 10:02:04
You're right.I can't really rephrase it since I'm no longer think what I said. I think every opinion's helping people out there.
>
> > I think your post doesn't help anyone.
>
> Marty,
> Keeping in mind that the idea here is support and not posting anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, would you please rephrase the above?
>
> If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Thanks,
> deputy gg
>
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 30, 2006, at 14:43:48
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » Crazy Horse, posted by MARTY on August 30, 2006, at 12:08:58
>
> Hi Montidlididou, :)
>
> Hey I can't remember the last time I bashed you in public .. ? bah, I'm sure I didn't bust my monthly quota anyway... so, let's do this, I dont have all day :P
>
> Pregabalin (Lyrica) and Gabapentin (Neurontin) are both molecules. Pregabalin can't be "a molecule difference" from Neurontin. :D
> But you're right: they are different and Pregabalin is more potent in some aspect.
>
> what ? don't look me like this! at least I'm talking to you :) eheh
>
> Didn't have news from you since your computer crashed. Hope to catch you on MSN soon.Martinibeaniboy,
Well, it's obvious (with your higher I.Q. than mine), that you know better than me..YOU DOG LOUIE! LOL ;)-Crazy Horse
Posted by SLS on August 31, 2006, at 14:20:47
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » MARTY, posted by Crazy Horse on August 30, 2006, at 14:43:48
Hi Monte.
Is it fair to say that Lyrica monotherapy is inadequate as an antidepressant treatment in your case?
- Scott
Posted by MARTY on August 31, 2006, at 15:43:11
In reply to Lyrica » Crazy Horse, posted by SLS on August 31, 2006, at 14:20:47
Hi Scott --My feeling as of now is that it all depends on the level of depression. I think it could punch enough antidepressant effect to answer the majority of every "depression" being currently treated with monoamine\catholamine targeting ADs. You, me and Monte .. I don't think so. But as you can guess, it hard to know since neither Monte or I tried it as a monotherapy. And no Scott, I will not f* with my meds just to answer better your question :P ;)
Marty
> Hi Monte.
>
> Is it fair to say that Lyrica monotherapy is inadequate as an antidepressant treatment in your case?
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 31, 2006, at 16:00:25
In reply to Re: Lyrica » SLS, posted by MARTY on August 31, 2006, at 15:43:11
>
> Hi Scott --
>
> My feeling as of now is that it all depends on the level of depression. I think it could punch enough antidepressant effect to answer the majority of every "depression" being currently treated with monoamine\catholamine targeting ADs. You, me and Monte .. I don't think so. But as you can guess, it hard to know since neither Monte or I tried it as a monotherapy. And no Scott, I will not f* with my meds just to answer better your question :P ;)
>
> Marty
>
> > Hi Monte.
> >
> > Is it fair to say that Lyrica monotherapy is inadequate as an antidepressant treatment in your case?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
>Monotherapy, no. Perhaps Lyrica plus the 2 mg. of Klonopin daily would suffice. However, I am not confident enough to try this. As you know, i also take 100 mgs. of Zoloft and 200 mgs. of Trazodone a day.
-Monte
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 31, 2006, at 16:01:46
In reply to Lyrica » Crazy Horse, posted by SLS on August 31, 2006, at 14:20:47
Posted by mayzee on August 31, 2006, at 17:25:08
In reply to Re: lyrica is bad news » SLS, posted by Crazy Horse on August 29, 2006, at 17:19:29
> My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
>Hi Monte,
Could you please say a bit more about your decision to discontinue EMSAM? In previous posts you sounded pretty happy with EMSAM. How did you decide that it was the EMSAM that was causing you to not feel very good?
Thanks,
mayzee
(6mg EMSAM, 5mg Ritalin)
Posted by Crazy Horse on August 31, 2006, at 19:26:34
In reply to Re: EMSAM d/c » Crazy Horse, posted by mayzee on August 31, 2006, at 17:25:08
> > My Pdoc took me off the EMSAM, i just wasn't feeling very good on it towards the end, and i was having insomnia problems. He put me on Zoloft 100 mgs. daily per my request. So now i am on Zoloft 100 mgs., Lyrica 600 mgs., Klonopin 1 mg. b.i.d., and Trazodone 200 mgs. at bedtime. And honestly this is the best i have felt in a year.
> >
>
> Hi Monte,
>
> Could you please say a bit more about your decision to discontinue EMSAM? In previous posts you sounded pretty happy with EMSAM. How did you decide that it was the EMSAM that was causing you to not feel very good?
>
> Thanks,
> mayzee
> (6mg EMSAM, 5mg Ritalin)mayzee,
Well, i'm not really sure it was "causing me to not feel good," but i am sure, towards the end it wasn't helping me. The EMSAM induced insomnia was getting progressively worse, and this in turn caused my depression to worsen. I actually think when i felt it was the EMSAM making me feel better in the beginning, it was actually the Lyrica that i am on that made me feel better. When my Doc took me off the EMSAM, i immediately began to feel better ( i think because the Lyrica was working). Bottom line , for me, EMSAM was not a good med, and Lyrica is the best med i have been on in 26 years. Remember, i said "for me". Best of Luck to you. :)
-Monte
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