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Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:40:47
Just entering this to see if it shows up. I just entered a lot of stuff and I couldnt find it.
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:46:13
In reply to Trying to make this thing work, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:40:47
I am bipolar II. I am on Lamictal, prozac and utlram (which has antidepressant properties) I am still have quick anger, irritability and anxiety. I dont like taking things to calm me down, i always feel slightly depressed from them. I really need to stop with the irritability and anger. I have been screeming at my 7 year old and I feel really bad about it. Any suggestions?
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 12:39:34
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:46:13
Oh, and I am also on Provigal. Which by the way, makes me SLEEPY. I found one person that just so happens to be on Psycho-Babble (that is how I found this site) that also experienced the paradoxical effect. My Psych has been in practice for 35 years and has NEVER heard of this. I'm thinking, well, why WOULDN'T I be the only one to ever have this problem? (Being sarcastic) It really bothers me that he has never heard of this. I am thinking well, first of all, does he believe me? Which he is really a nice doctor I think he does, but maybe not, who knows? So I am like, Ok, so now what do I do? He dropped me to half the dose, which I just started today. I know what is going to happen...I am just going to be a little less tired. I really don’t know if this is helping anything. He gave it to me because I have trouble with wanting to sleep all of the time. I was on adderall, but the bad side effects eventually superceded the positive effect of the drug. One funny thing is while being on Provigal, my brain was really relaxed, no 1000 thoughts rushing through my head at one time. That is why I haven't gotten off of it, because it is nice to have a relaxed brain. I felt as if I was walking on pillows the first day. I was euphoric at times and when someone would interrupt that feeling that is when the "quick anger" would go into effect. I would be furious in no time. The anxiety is almost all of the time. My eyes always feel heavy, and irritable most of the time, which also triggers the "quick anger". Oh, and I can totally read a book...word after word. I totally understand and stay interested, but later when I try to think of what it was I read, most of it is gone. The most wonderful thing of all is that I am not and have not experienced any depression since I have started everything. The depression has been a major, major issue for me for many years. I want to stay as far away from that as possible, that is why I will not get off of the Lamictal. Doc told me that I could try Depakote, but I have been reading. It does help with the anger and so on, but it can cause weight gain, and it doesn't help with the depression or rapid cycling (which is what I am). I dont want to take, what I think you call "Benzo" meds. If these are the ones that they give you for anxiety and such...then no. They not only make me sleepy, but they cause mild depression (if I am currently on meds, otherwise it would be worse depression than what ever I would be having at the moment). Anyone....Anyone?
Posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 20:34:01
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:46:13
Does your doc know about the anger? Are you manic? that could be it. Love Phillipa
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 21:39:21
In reply to Re: It works..need advice » frizzaldizzal, posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 20:34:01
> Does your doc know about the anger? Are you manic? that could be it. Love Phillipa
Yes he knows. I told him that I have to stop screaming at my child. I will end up screwing him up for the rest of his life. I really need to get a grip.
Posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 21:46:42
In reply to Re: Anger problem, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 21:39:21
What did you doc recommend? Love Phillipa
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 22:40:04
In reply to Re: Anger problem » frizzaldizzal, posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 21:46:42
> What did you doc recommend? Love Phillipa
Basically he told me to go down to half on the Provigal since it made me sleepy. Then he asked me if I had ever been on Depakote. I have but I dont remember what effect it had on me. Since Depakote is a mood stabilizer, I would have the get off of my current mood stabilizer which is Lamactal, and I really dont want to do that, because my depression is REALLY hard to treat and I havnt been depressed while on this combination of meds. I just want the anger, irritability and anxiety to go away, but I guess there is no easy answer. I cant take the Benzo meds, they make me depressed. I really dont know what to do.
Posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 22:54:48
In reply to Re: Anger problem, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 22:40:04
I just started lamictal . you mean there's hope for my depression.On the starter pack. Week two 50mg. When did it kick in for you?
Would CBT help with the anger maybe not another med? Love Phillipa
Posted by curtm on June 15, 2006, at 12:59:32
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:46:13
I am bipolar too. I have "quick anger." That is a great term. No one I know used that before. I have been on Lamictal. It doesnt stop all the anger. I am getting more frustrated and impatient with my children. I start Therapy next week. I hope we can get somewhere fast.
There is unfortunately no cure for my dim wit.
Welcome to babble fd
Posted by pseudoname on June 15, 2006, at 13:39:09
In reply to Re: Forgot one med, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 12:39:34
Hi, frizzaldizzal. Welcome to Babble.
What dose of Ultram are you on? How long have you been taking it? What for? (Sorry so many questions! lol)
Just curious... have you talked to a therapist about your anger? If not, is it a possibility?
For my really unmanageable anger, I tell myself -- I make myself accept as an article of faith -- that people are doing the best they can. It probably wouldn't work with explosive anger, but if I remember to keep it in mind, I find it hard to be very angry for long at anyone (except myself), and I'm freer to find better conflict resolutions.
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 15, 2006, at 21:55:30
In reply to Re: Anger problem » frizzaldizzal, posted by Phillipa on June 14, 2006, at 22:54:48
> I just started lamictal . you mean there's hope for my depression.On the starter pack. Week two 50mg. When did it kick in for you?
>
> Would CBT help with the anger maybe not another med? Love PhillipaWhat other meds are you taking with the Lamictal? I'm sorry, but I dont know what CBT is.
I am on 100mg of Lamictal. Its best to go up slow and then dont over do it. It can cause Stevens/Johnsons Syndrom, which is a life threatening illness. I guess when I got closer to the 100mg is when I started feeling better....but yes, my depression has almost been impossable to get rid of. I had suffered for a long time.
Posted by Phillipa on June 15, 2006, at 22:06:27
In reply to Re: Anger problem, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 15, 2006, at 21:55:30
I don't have an anger problem MDD and severe anxiety. I'm also on Luvox l50mg and valium 20mg. Do you think the lamictal will help with both? Thanks Love Phillipa
Posted by elanor roosevelt on June 18, 2006, at 8:12:26
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by frizzaldizzal on June 14, 2006, at 11:46:13
wellbutrin for the yelling
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 21, 2006, at 1:05:09
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by elanor roosevelt on June 18, 2006, at 8:12:26
> wellbutrin for the yelling
Thanks for your response. I think I have this thing figured out (for now). I am on a lot of different meds (I wont even go into that, it would take to long). I have discovered that Buspar is working for the anxiety, anger, etc. I have had this bottle since 1998 (ok, yes I know you are not supposed to take meds that are out of date, especially this old...but for some reason all of these years each time I would come accross the bottle I couldnt seem to make myself throw it away, even though I didnt care much for it when I had origanally taken it). I have taken myself off of some other meds and put myself on buspar, and seem to be doing really well. We will see...I have never had any meds last. I have switched meds so many times, I couldnt even tell you. So for now Buspar is working great for the anger, anxiety and I have been sooooo much more patient with my son, and I can tell that he is happier because of it.
Thanks Again,
Frizzal
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 21, 2006, at 1:15:35
In reply to Re: Anger problem » frizzaldizzal, posted by Phillipa on June 15, 2006, at 22:06:27
> I don't have an anger problem MDD and severe anxiety. I'm also on Luvox l50mg and valium 20mg. Do you think the lamictal will help with both? Thanks Love Phillipa
What is MDD? I am not familiar with Luvox. I would think the valium would make you have problems with depression. Lamictal is for someone that needs all of the antidepressants they can get and they do not want to gain weight, which is me. I have started taking Buspar. All of the anger, anxiety, and irritability is gone. I feel so care free. I was afraid to take it because I thought that is might make me depressed like the Benzo's do, but it is kinda different than all of the rest of them. They are not sure how it works. Of course I am not a doctor, and I do not know what Luvox is, nor have I ever taken any of it, so I can only tell you from my experience from taking the Lamictal. I wouldnt think the Lamictal would help with the anxiety. It kept me up for about 3 days the very first time I took it, but that totally went away. It's like a stimulant in a way, thats why it helps with the depression. Anything that has the potential of keeping you from sleeping at night is, of course, just the opposite of calming you down, which is what you would need for the anxiety. I hope this helped some.
Thanks,
Frizzal
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 21, 2006, at 1:24:02
In reply to anger therapy? » frizzaldizzal, posted by pseudoname on June 15, 2006, at 13:39:09
> Hi, frizzaldizzal. Welcome to Babble.
>
> What dose of Ultram are you on? How long have you been taking it? What for? (Sorry so many questions! lol)
>
> Just curious... have you talked to a therapist about your anger? If not, is it a possibility?
>
> For my really unmanageable anger, I tell myself -- I make myself accept as an article of faith -- that people are doing the best they can. It probably wouldn't work with explosive anger, but if I remember to keep it in mind, I find it hard to be very angry for long at anyone (except myself), and I'm freer to find better conflict resolution.I just changed my meds around. I just got off of the Ultram. I was taking a total of 50mg per day 1/2 in the morning and 1/2 in the evening. It bridged the gap for my depression. I found that when I took it the suicide thoughts went away, so for lack of knowing what else to do, I just stayed on it. I have read that it actually has antidepressant properties in it, so it wasnt all in my head that it was working. I have now gotten on Buspar. It has gotten rid of all the anger, irritably, and anxiety. I was just afraid to get on it, because Benzo's have always made me depressed, and I am trying to stay as far away from that as possible. I am not sure if Buspar is a Benzo. I think it is, but it is in a class of its own within that class of drugs. We will see how it does. No I have not gone for counseling recently. I really dont like to, and I have not alway had a problem with anger, just on and off. I cant set and rationalize how I feel about the situation before I blow up, as you mentioned above, I cant control it. That is what I was mostly concerned about.
Thanks again,
Frizzal
Posted by frizzaldizzal on June 21, 2006, at 1:37:28
In reply to Re: It works..need advice, posted by curtm on June 15, 2006, at 12:59:32
> I am bipolar too. I have "quick anger." That is a great term. No one I know used that before. I have been on Lamictal. It doesnt stop all the anger. I am getting more frustrated and impatient with my children. I start Therapy next week. I hope we can get somewhere fast.
>
> There is unfortunately no cure for my dim wit.
>
> Welcome to babble fd
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Since I have written that thread, I have started Buspar. I have done a 180 degree turn around. The anxiety, anger, irritability, is as close to gone as it could get. I feel so at ease.I personally do not think counseling would help me. I feel this way....I am Bipolar II. That means I am not like the majority in the brain. Therefore, talking to someone is not going to help or correct my genetic make up. I think a person benefits when they have had a tough life or a difficult situation in there life has come up, but when something is not right in the head, talking is not going to do it. At least not for me. That is just my point of view.
If you think it would help you in your situation, then you most certainly neet to do that. Every single one of us are so different in many ways.
I can tell that my son it much happier, and his behavior has improved just because I am so much more at ease. Poor little guy, I wish he wasnt effected by my illness. I wish it was just me, not him.
Thanks,
Frizzal
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