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Posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
Hey Everyone,
Just wanted to know what people think about notion that all psych meds are simply just uppers or downer. Some people argue that we haven't progress at all over the past 150 years back when patients use cocaine, opium and alcohol. I have tried many meds and possible agree that todays meds are no different that the past ....
cocaine "upper"=amphetamines, tricyclics, wellbutrin, to some extent SSRIs
Opium and alcohol "downer"=depakote, lithium, benzos, antipsychotics
Is there a difference?
Thanks,
Smith
Posted by linkadge on July 6, 2005, at 19:52:39
In reply to All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
I know it is a pretty broad statement, but I would fully agree.
My friend was a big drugee, he did a *lot* of speed, meth, coke, etc. One day I found out he stole some of my effexor.
He replied with "man, if I had found this sooner, I wouldn't have had to do all this coke"
this could, of course be taken many different ways.
Linkadge
Posted by rjlockhart98 on July 6, 2005, at 21:05:05
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by linkadge on July 6, 2005, at 19:52:39
You forgot Lithium...
thats in the middle
Posted by Phillipa on July 6, 2005, at 21:07:26
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by rjlockhart98 on July 6, 2005, at 21:05:05
I agree with Link except about the effexor. It made me tired. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by mworkman on July 6, 2005, at 22:31:02
In reply to All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
I think a lot of street drugs could be used as actuall medications to treat illinesses. These new drugs are different, though. Like comparing alcohol and a benzo is bs imho. benzo's are pretty slective, alcohol is a poison and has may different properties. I think most new drugs are made by selecting certain mechanisms of the older drugs.
Posted by Jazzed on July 6, 2005, at 22:31:26
In reply to All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
Tricyclics and SSRIs made me tired, Lithium just made me sick, but I'm not bi-polar.
Jazzy
Posted by Shawn. T. on July 7, 2005, at 0:44:38
In reply to All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
You could make that argument, but it's sort of like saying that all colors are either bright or drab. It's a very simple way of classifying drugs, but it doesn't have a lot of explanatory value.
Shawn
Posted by smith562 on July 7, 2005, at 4:45:49
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by Shawn. T. on July 7, 2005, at 0:44:38
Posted by linkadge on July 7, 2005, at 18:18:02
In reply to Re: Interesting ... Thanks Everyone! (nm), posted by smith562 on July 7, 2005, at 4:45:49
I know Shawn is coming at it from a different prespective, but the days during which I thought that these drugs were doing something novel, and beneficial for my brain are long gone.
Whenever they test these drugs on animals, they only do two week tests. They never keep an animal on prozac for a year to observe the fact that any acute changes had long since been compensated for, and that the animal is more or less the same.When the drugs came out, doctors really wanted them to be different from street drugs, but only time can make that distinction.
Linkadge
Posted by Sebastian on July 8, 2005, at 20:34:04
In reply to All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by smith562 on July 6, 2005, at 18:15:56
I agree 100%. I even tell my doctor which drugs these seem like. Zyprexa is like pot with out the memory problems, wellbutrin is like coke or some thing. The wellbutrin pamplet even says that wellbutrin is amphetamine like. Yes we are taking the new class of medication the legal ones nowadays maybe not in the future.
Posted by linkadge on July 8, 2005, at 21:37:24
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by Sebastian on July 8, 2005, at 20:34:04
I totally agree with you sebastien. Zyprexa and pot are almost identical for me too.
I've only done pot once and I said to myself this is zyprexa.
That feeling like you're not going anywhere in life, but that you don't really need to go anywhere in life either :)
Linkadge
Posted by Declan on July 8, 2005, at 22:31:56
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers? » Sebastian, posted by linkadge on July 8, 2005, at 21:37:24
These psych drugs are sounding better and better. Maybe I should have tried Zyprexa and Effexor instead of Parnate.
Declan
Posted by linkadge on July 9, 2005, at 5:30:34
In reply to Re: All meds just Uppers or Downers?, posted by Declan on July 8, 2005, at 22:31:56
I suppose within reason. Zyprexa was not as pleasurable as pot for me. But it seemed to create that same thought-glue type stability.
Linkadge
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