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Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by vivi on April 21, 2005, at 21:36:40
Dexamyl no longer exists because it actually elevated mood. Virtually no currently marketed antidepressants actually work--they simply make one number to their own emotions. And if you're numbed up, you can't be depressed, can you? It's sick stuff.
The MAOIs, are IMO (I am not at all humble on this topic) are the only drugs on the market--marketed as such--worthy of the title "antidepressant". That is, they actually ELEVATE mood. Furthermore, there will be no more effective monoaminergic antidepressants coming--EVER--because in order to be truly effective, you've got to affect DA, which makes an "abusable" drug. Even the benign, virtually abuse-proof buprenorphine is now a CIII controlled substance. It's pathetic.
Any new antidepresssant that actually is effective will use neurotransmitter systems heretofore untouched by psych drugs, such as neuropeptide Y and CCK (for depression and anxiety). New effective anxiolytics will probably be neurosteroids, such as allopregnanolone derivatives (see ganaxolone). Selective opioidergic mechanisms will also be on the menu someday, I hope.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
IMO...
Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.Scott
Posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
> IMO...
>
>
> Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
>
> ScottWhat were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
Viv
Posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by vivi on April 26, 2005, at 21:41:31
> > IMO...
> >
> >
> > Dexamyl no longer exists because after it went generic all the problems associated with amphetamines and barbiturates were brought to light. After a few weeks, maybe months on that stuff (or the new adderall/benzo combos) and you better get ready for hell on earth. You need to chase the feeling or suffer the withdrawal and craving.
> >
> > Scott
>
> What were some of the Dexamyl's generics? Just curious.
> Viv
>
>DEXAMYL had no generics,it simply became obsolete-(along with most Goofballs, Amps+Barbs)around 1970
Cheers
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 27, 2005, at 2:07:04
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 26, 2005, at 22:15:26
Yes I mean that once amphetamines and barbs went generic and they fell out of favor these combos just sort of fell by the wayside. Although I believe they were actually available until the 80's.
Posted by Minnie-Haha on April 27, 2005, at 13:57:12
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 26, 2005, at 12:19:34
Posted by Sarah T. on April 27, 2005, at 19:34:56
In reply to Re: Off topic, but I LOVE your Babble name! (nm) » Chairman_MAO, posted by Minnie-Haha on April 27, 2005, at 13:57:12
Isn't that terrific! It's so creative. To stay on-topic, he'll have to go over to the threads on selegiline, parnate and nardil.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 28, 2005, at 16:42:29
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 26, 2005, at 15:25:22
Withdrawal and craving? There is no reason why amphetamine + a downer should produce any withdrawal and craving in anyone using it properly to treat anything (except a desire to get high, heh, and even for that, an astonishing number of people use them safely). Ayn Rand took three Dexamyl spansules per day for decades and quit when it went off the market with no ill effects.
Amphetamine is still used as a antidepressant in treatment-refractory cases, and is indespensible in the treatment of post-stroke depression. And as for tolerance, etc., chronic administration of amphetamine actually sensitizes the user to it, and LESS drug is required to produce the same effect. The only effect that wanes is the euphoria; a modest, antidepressant-like mood boost, increased energy, etc. remains and does not build tolerance for many people. Please do not parrot drug war hysteria without understanding what you're talking about.
I would rather take amphetamine and barbiturates than 80%+ of all the psych drugs on the market. At least amphetamines and barbiturates have been extensively studied for decades and found to be relatively nontoxic to human tissue. One certainly can't say that for most of the new psych drugs (think about the diabetes with Zyprexa, irreversible vision damage with Sabril, possible problems with strattera, liver damage with serzone, etc.). And have you seen the black box warning for Depakote?
And I sure hope you don't think the antipsychotics are safer than amphetamine!The therapeutic index for amphetamine is also higher than many of the drugs currently used in psychiatry today, and is also higher than caffeine's, everybody's "safe" stimulant. That certainly is not true for barbiturates, which is why the benzos replaced them. Taking amphetamine with a benzodiazepine is probably one of the safest drug cocktails one could imagine: If the doses are kept at sane levels, they mitigate the side effects of each other significantly while synergizing nicely.
I feel a lot safer taking Parnate--despite all the MAOI hysteria--than any of the newer ADs. At least I know it won't send me on a manic quest to kill myself like SSRIs can or cause god-knows-what damage to who-knows-which organs.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 16:44:40
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Mr.Scott on April 25, 2005, at 20:51:59
So I saw my doctor today. He's US renound too by the way. He said get a good psychotherapist and he recommended 3. Then he said take as much adderall and ativan or clonazepam as you feel you need so long as it doesn't cause side effects (in addition to my pinch of zoloft). He said most people find a place where tolerance goes away and they stabilize. And if not he'll get me off the meds whether its inpatient or outpatient. And we can try something new.
What do you think?
Scott
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 17:03:46
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 28, 2005, at 16:42:29
"Please do not parrot drug war hysteria without understanding what you're talking about."
Easy... you communist antidepressant popper! Barbs are quite toxic and amphetamine aint candy. I know my sh*t pretty darn well. I'll go toe to toe on pharmacology with any patient or physician in the room 8 days a week. Now I hope you know I'm actually smiling while typing, and also that what I post only reflects "my state of mind" and "personal" concerns at the time of posting. I'm for whatever works. The problem is that when it doesn't I get real pissed off!
Thanks for that historical note on Ann Rand btw. Where did you find that?
Scott
Posted by Alejandro on April 28, 2005, at 17:44:15
In reply to Re: Dexamyl, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 28, 2005, at 16:42:29
> Withdrawal and craving? There is no reason why amphetamine + a downer should produce any withdrawal and craving in anyone using it properly to treat anything.
Certainly winthdrawal is not a problematic issue if you are on amphetamines, but it does on downers. However, if we are smart enough, it is a problem that actually can be solved. So, I agree with your comments.
> I would rather take amphetamine and barbiturates than 80%+ of all the psych drugs on the market. At least amphetamines and barbiturates have been extensively studied for decades and found to be relatively nontoxic to human tissue.Whats more, amphetamine and amph derivatives, such as methylphenidate, have been and currently are being used extensively by CHILDREN (ADHD rising population), and neurologists use to say: "Ritalin are safer than aspirin". What about most antidepressants? In fact, they are NOT approved by FDA to be used in children, because safety and side effects profile may not be trustworthy.
> And I sure hope you don't think the antipsychotics are safer than amphetamine!
:-)
Posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 18:40:59
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Chairman_MAO, posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 17:03:46
-I have read about 'Ayn Rand' and her use of Dextroamphetamine, being a moving force as to why her novels ran over a thousand pages, she is said to have switched to Mescaline (Amphetamine analogue) to help with some of her novels.
-'Buzz Aldrin' was given Ritalin for sever depression after returning to Earth.
-'Gone with the Wind' owes its making to Amphetamine. 'David O Selznick' constantly ate Benzedrine (L Amphetamine) to fuel 22!! hour days during it's making.
-'Lawrence of Arabia's' Omar Sharif was called a 'Dexedrine head', during it's making "I was very intense and used Dex to make me more excited" he admitted.
-'A Clockwork Orange's' Anthony Burgess used Amphetamine when writing many of his books.
-'Jack Kerouac', and 'Neal Casady' had a fondness for Dex during creative endeavours.
-'Ciao Manhatten', had a doctor on board to inject cast and crew with Dex during it's making.
-'Judy Garland' used Amphetamines administered by the studio to work long hours during the making of 'The wizard of Oz', She was taking up to 45!! Ritalin Tabs daily during 1968+Valium and Thorazine.
-'Johnny Cash' loved Dex so much he was caught Smuggling a thousand of em' across the mexican border in 1965.
-'William F Buckley Jr'-CIA man and confidant of the coucil of foreign legions has Taken Ritalin most days, for 35!! years.
-'Mick Jagger', pounded down Amphetamine Sulphate, amd MethAmphetamine Hcl tabs in the 1960's while he sang about "Mothers little helper". (Valium)
-'The Everly Brothers' were scripted Amphetamine in 1962.
-"Mad" magazines 'Bill Faires' constant use of Dexedrine helped his obsessive work on creating the Mag.
-'Hugh Hefner' used Dexedrine to work long hours while working on "Playboy"
-Actor 'John Belushi' regularly took as many Biphetamine capsules and Quaaludes as he could fit in his huge stomach.
-"Sex Pistols" 'Johnny Rotten' got high on Amphetamine Sulphate.
-'Elvis' began the day with a handfull of SKF 5mg Dexedrine.
-'JFK' was injected with Amphatamine, and took Ritalin during the early 1960's.
'Hitler' was injected up to eight!! times a day with Methamphetamine during the latter part of his horrific domination.
-'Paul Erdos', one of the greatest mathematicians of last century,(NASA employee) took Ritalin and Dexedrine-sometimes both! nearly every day during the last twenty five years of his life 1971-1996 aged 86. He under took a bet to abstain for a month, and his output plummeted to nothing. He remarked after said month to his wager, "You have put Mathematics back a month", and resumed his pills.
-The 'Beatles' were kick started by Preludin-an Amphetamine-like diet pill, during the early 1960's.
-British PM 'Anthony Eden' lived on Benzedrine, during the Sues crisis of 1956.
Posted by vivi on April 28, 2005, at 21:04:15
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART, posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 18:40:59
> -I have read about 'Ayn Rand' and her use of Dextroamphetamine, being a moving force as to why her novels ran over a thousand pages, she is said to have switched to Mescaline (Amphetamine analogue) to help with some of her novels.
>
> -'Buzz Aldrin' was given Ritalin for sever depression after returning to Earth.
>
> -'Gone with the Wind' owes its making to Amphetamine. 'David O Selznick' constantly ate Benzedrine (L Amphetamine) to fuel 22!! hour days during it's making.
>
> -'Lawrence of Arabia's' Omar Sharif was called a 'Dexedrine head', during it's making "I was very intense and used Dex to make me more excited" he admitted.
>
> -'A Clockwork Orange's' Anthony Burgess used Amphetamine when writing many of his books.
>
> -'Jack Kerouac', and 'Neal Casady' had a fondness for Dex during creative endeavours.
>
> -'Ciao Manhatten', had a doctor on board to inject cast and crew with Dex during it's making.
>
> -'Judy Garland' used Amphetamines administered by the studio to work long hours during the making of 'The wizard of Oz', She was taking up to 45!! Ritalin Tabs daily during 1968+Valium and Thorazine.
>
> -'Johnny Cash' loved Dex so much he was caught Smuggling a thousand of em' across the mexican border in 1965.
>
> -'William F Buckley Jr'-CIA man and confidant of the coucil of foreign legions has Taken Ritalin most days, for 35!! years.
>
> -'Mick Jagger', pounded down Amphetamine Sulphate, amd MethAmphetamine Hcl tabs in the 1960's while he sang about "Mothers little helper". (Valium)
>
> -'The Everly Brothers' were scripted Amphetamine in 1962.
>
> -"Mad" magazines 'Bill Faires' constant use of Dexedrine helped his obsessive work on creating the Mag.
>
> -'Hugh Hefner' used Dexedrine to work long hours while working on "Playboy"
>
> -Actor 'John Belushi' regularly took as many Biphetamine capsules and Quaaludes as he could fit in his huge stomach.
>
> -"Sex Pistols" 'Johnny Rotten' got high on Amphetamine Sulphate.
>
> -'Elvis' began the day with a handfull of SKF 5mg Dexedrine.
>
> -'JFK' was injected with Amphatamine, and took Ritalin during the early 1960's.
>
> 'Hitler' was injected up to eight!! times a day with Methamphetamine during the latter part of his horrific domination.
>
> -'Paul Erdos', one of the greatest mathematicians of last century,(NASA employee) took Ritalin and Dexedrine-sometimes both! nearly every day during the last twenty five years of his life 1971-1996 aged 86. He under took a bet to abstain for a month, and his output plummeted to nothing. He remarked after said month to his wager, "You have put Mathematics back a month", and resumed his pills.
>
> -The 'Beatles' were kick started by Preludin-an Amphetamine-like diet pill, during the early 1960's.
>
> -British PM 'Anthony Eden' lived on Benzedrine, during the Sues crisis of 1956.
that was very interesting. What exactly is Benzedrine? Is that still used? Methamphetamine is a horrible drug!!!!!!!! no wonder he was the way he was.
Posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 22:11:30
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 28, 2005, at 21:04:15
> > -I have read about 'Ayn Rand' and her use of Dextroamphetamine, being a moving force as to why her novels ran over a thousand pages, she is said to have switched to Mescaline (Amphetamine analogue) to help with some of her novels.
> >
> > -'Buzz Aldrin' was given Ritalin for sever depression after returning to Earth.
> >
> > -'Gone with the Wind' owes its making to Amphetamine. 'David O Selznick' constantly ate Benzedrine (L Amphetamine) to fuel 22!! hour days during it's making.
> >
> > -'Lawrence of Arabia's' Omar Sharif was called a 'Dexedrine head', during it's making "I was very intense and used Dex to make me more excited" he admitted.
> >
> > -'A Clockwork Orange's' Anthony Burgess used Amphetamine when writing many of his books.
> >
> > -'Jack Kerouac', and 'Neal Casady' had a fondness for Dex during creative endeavours.
> >
> > -'Ciao Manhatten', had a doctor on board to inject cast and crew with Dex during it's making.
> >
> > -'Judy Garland' used Amphetamines administered by the studio to work long hours during the making of 'The wizard of Oz', She was taking up to 45!! Ritalin Tabs daily during 1968+Valium and Thorazine.
> >
> > -'Johnny Cash' loved Dex so much he was caught Smuggling a thousand of em' across the mexican border in 1965.
> >
> > -'William F Buckley Jr'-CIA man and confidant of the coucil of foreign legions has Taken Ritalin most days, for 35!! years.
> >
> > -'Mick Jagger', pounded down Amphetamine Sulphate, amd MethAmphetamine Hcl tabs in the 1960's while he sang about "Mothers little helper". (Valium)
> >
> > -'The Everly Brothers' were scripted Amphetamine in 1962.
> >
> > -"Mad" magazines 'Bill Faires' constant use of Dexedrine helped his obsessive work on creating the Mag.
> >
> > -'Hugh Hefner' used Dexedrine to work long hours while working on "Playboy"
> >
> > -Actor 'John Belushi' regularly took as many Biphetamine capsules and Quaaludes as he could fit in his huge stomach.
> >
> > -"Sex Pistols" 'Johnny Rotten' got high on Amphetamine Sulphate.
> >
> > -'Elvis' began the day with a handfull of SKF 5mg Dexedrine.
> >
> > -'JFK' was injected with Amphatamine, and took Ritalin during the early 1960's.
> >
> > 'Hitler' was injected up to eight!! times a day with Methamphetamine during the latter part of his horrific domination.
> >
> > -'Paul Erdos', one of the greatest mathematicians of last century,(NASA employee) took Ritalin and Dexedrine-sometimes both! nearly every day during the last twenty five years of his life 1971-1996 aged 86. He under took a bet to abstain for a month, and his output plummeted to nothing. He remarked after said month to his wager, "You have put Mathematics back a month", and resumed his pills.
> >
> > -The 'Beatles' were kick started by Preludin-an Amphetamine-like diet pill, during the early 1960's.
> >
> > -British PM 'Anthony Eden' lived on Benzedrine, during the Sues crisis of 1956.
>
>
> that was very interesting. What exactly is Benzedrine? Is that still used? Methamphetamine is a horrible drug!!!!!!!! no wonder he was the way he was.
>
Benzedrine was the first Amphetamine Levo Amphetamine, MUCH less centrally stimuling than DEX.Hitler was PSYCHOTIC-you seen his rants and public raves, Meth helped that, no doubt, R.I.H
Adderall is a mix of L and D Amphetamine
Cheers
Posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 22:16:10
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART » Paulbwell, posted by vivi on April 28, 2005, at 21:04:15
> > -I have read about 'Ayn Rand' and her use of Dextroamphetamine, being a moving force as to why her novels ran over a thousand pages, she is said to have switched to Mescaline (Amphetamine analogue) to help with some of her novels.
> >
> > -'Buzz Aldrin' was given Ritalin for sever depression after returning to Earth.
> >
> > -'Gone with the Wind' owes its making to Amphetamine. 'David O Selznick' constantly ate Benzedrine (L Amphetamine) to fuel 22!! hour days during it's making.
> >
> > -'Lawrence of Arabia's' Omar Sharif was called a 'Dexedrine head', during it's making "I was very intense and used Dex to make me more excited" he admitted.
> >
> > -'A Clockwork Orange's' Anthony Burgess used Amphetamine when writing many of his books.
> >
> > -'Jack Kerouac', and 'Neal Casady' had a fondness for Dex during creative endeavours.
> >
> > -'Ciao Manhatten', had a doctor on board to inject cast and crew with Dex during it's making.
> >
> > -'Judy Garland' used Amphetamines administered by the studio to work long hours during the making of 'The wizard of Oz', She was taking up to 45!! Ritalin Tabs daily during 1968+Valium and Thorazine.
> >
> > -'Johnny Cash' loved Dex so much he was caught Smuggling a thousand of em' across the mexican border in 1965.
> >
> > -'William F Buckley Jr'-CIA man and confidant of the coucil of foreign legions has Taken Ritalin most days, for 35!! years.
> >
> > -'Mick Jagger', pounded down Amphetamine Sulphate, amd MethAmphetamine Hcl tabs in the 1960's while he sang about "Mothers little helper". (Valium)
> >
> > -'The Everly Brothers' were scripted Amphetamine in 1962.
> >
> > -"Mad" magazines 'Bill Faires' constant use of Dexedrine helped his obsessive work on creating the Mag.
> >
> > -'Hugh Hefner' used Dexedrine to work long hours while working on "Playboy"
> >
> > -Actor 'John Belushi' regularly took as many Biphetamine capsules and Quaaludes as he could fit in his huge stomach.
> >
> > -"Sex Pistols" 'Johnny Rotten' got high on Amphetamine Sulphate.
> >
> > -'Elvis' began the day with a handfull of SKF 5mg Dexedrine.
> >
> > -'JFK' was injected with Amphatamine, and took Ritalin during the early 1960's.
> >
> > 'Hitler' was injected up to eight!! times a day with Methamphetamine during the latter part of his horrific domination.
> >
> > -'Paul Erdos', one of the greatest mathematicians of last century,(NASA employee) took Ritalin and Dexedrine-sometimes both! nearly every day during the last twenty five years of his life 1971-1996 aged 86. He under took a bet to abstain for a month, and his output plummeted to nothing. He remarked after said month to his wager, "You have put Mathematics back a month", and resumed his pills.
> >
> > -The 'Beatles' were kick started by Preludin-an Amphetamine-like diet pill, during the early 1960's.
> >
> > -British PM 'Anthony Eden' lived on Benzedrine, during the Sues crisis of 1956.
>
>
> that was very interesting. What exactly is Benzedrine? Is that still used? Methamphetamine is a horrible drug!!!!!!!! no wonder he was the way he was.
>
Benzedrine was the first Amphetamine Levo Amphetamine, MUCH less centrally stimuling than DEX.Hitler was PSYCHOTIC-you seen his rants and public raves, Meth helped that, no doubt, R.I.H
Adderall is a mix of L and D Amphetamine
Cheers
Posted by rod on April 29, 2005, at 6:19:31
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 22:16:10
> Hitler was PSYCHOTIC-you seen his rants and public raves, Meth helped that, no doubt, R.I.H
>nah, I dont think he was psychotic. His psychologic analysis is very complex and the roots of all this lie in his adolescence. His delusions of grandeur were the most dominant characteristic.
The Meth (if its true at all. never heard of this before. maybe just an urban myth?) might explain his foolish behavior at the end, when he decided to attack russia.. His military advisors didnt want to do that, but he thought he can beat them all.. just insane.
Posted by Alejandro on April 29, 2005, at 7:16:49
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART » vivi, posted by Paulbwell on April 28, 2005, at 22:11:30
> Benzedrine was the first Amphetamine Levo Amphetamine, MUCH less centrally stimuling than DEX.
> Adderall is a mix of L and D AmphetamineI think that Benzedrine is racemic amphetamine, i.e., the original compound, which includes l- and d- optical isomers (not just l-). Racemic amphetamine is the status of the substance if you haven´t isolated one of these isomers. We can compare Benzedrine with Adderall, the later being a mix of salts:
* 75 % racemic amphetamine (that is, l- AND d- not isolated isomers)
* 25% dextroamphetamineHere you have,
Adderall:
* 37,5 % levo-amphetamine
* 62,5 % dextroamphetaminevs Benzedrine:
* 50 % l-amphetamine
* 50 % d-amphetaminevs Dexedrine:
* 0 % l-amphetamine
* 100 % dextroamphetamine
Posted by linkadge on April 29, 2005, at 7:54:30
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART » Paulbwell, posted by Alejandro on April 29, 2005, at 7:16:49
Hitler may not have been psychotic to begin with but at the end of his life he was very mentally ill.
Somtimes he would command batillions that had long since been destroyed. Not to mention hanging with piano wire, anyone that so much as looked at him the wrong way.
I see life as a light bulb. Im sure you can make it work a little brighter by pumping more electricity into it, but then it just burns out faster.
Linkadge
Posted by pro_social_soon on April 29, 2005, at 8:42:19
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART, posted by linkadge on April 29, 2005, at 7:54:30
What was the name of the famous math professor who took amphetamine just to work more and more at math?
Posted by chemist on April 29, 2005, at 10:00:07
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART - math professor, posted by pro_social_soon on April 29, 2005, at 8:42:19
> What was the name of the famous math professor who took amphetamine just to work more and more at math?
hello there, chemist here...the person to whom you are referring is the deceased hungarian mathematician paul erdos (p\'al erd\"os, i believe, is the proper spelling)...one can compute their ``erd\"os number'' which is how far removed from erd\"os an author is/was on a publication....all the best, chemist
Posted by notfeelingthebest on April 29, 2005, at 12:17:19
In reply to Re: AMPHETAMINES and ART - math professor » pro_social_soon, posted by chemist on April 29, 2005, at 10:00:07
I'm an artist and am in med school. Yes, amphetamines "make you more creative" in the same way that pot does for some people. Its easy to see why; dex just lights up your brain (a little mild psychosis or paranoia aren't exactly unrelated to "creativity"). You look at things differently. You certainly think about things alot more intensely. You're also alot more positive and proactive. It doesnt necessarily matter if what youre thinking is sound or not, its just art. And writing writing writing. Theres no such thing as writer's block. Too bad theyre so bad for you.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 29, 2005, at 13:36:31
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Chairman_MAO, posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 17:03:46
Sorry for coming on strong, but I've seen enough people's lives ruined and effective treatment denied over a misunderstanding of addiction/dependence and the "danger" of "controlled substances".
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 29, 2005, at 13:39:19
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Chairman_MAO, posted by Alejandro on April 28, 2005, at 17:44:15
I suppose what I meant to say is that withdrawal is not much more of a concern than it is with any other drug taken on a daily basis. Dependence happens because the brain adapts. Granted, barbs are basically the worst withdrawal out there--next to alcohol--but there's no reason why the patient can't be switched to phenobarbital and tapered off with little to no discomfort. Think that's crazy?
Then why are people switched to fluoxetine for an SSRI taper? Hmm ...
Posted by Chairman_MAO on April 29, 2005, at 13:40:29
In reply to More Dexamyl!!!!!!!!!, posted by Mr.Scott on April 28, 2005, at 16:44:40
He is 100% correct. You're lucky to have a psychiatrist with so much [un]common sense.
Posted by Mr.Scott on April 29, 2005, at 15:16:37
In reply to Re: Dexamyl » Mr.Scott, posted by Chairman_MAO on April 29, 2005, at 13:36:31
I'm a fan of passionate thought & expression myself!Thanks for all you posting. Your story posted elsewhere regaring suboxone and parnate is quite intriguing. I wonder if even though the suboxone works on opiate receptors if it would help anyone with a history of addiction/alcoholism 'fill that hole' so to speak... I listen to a lot of people here and elswhere including myself describe that feeling that addicts have of 'nothing ever being good enough', and 'the more, more, more' mentality.
Scott
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