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Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:27:11
In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by Sarah T. on March 24, 2005, at 20:33:44
Hi Sarah.
> > > > > This might not be a bad idea. Thanks. I'll probably stay away from memantine for awhile, though.
> Hi Scott. When you started Memantine, was it for augmentation of something you were already taking?Not specifically, but I was taking imipramine, Lamictal, and Abilify at the time. The addition of 20mg memantine worked for about 2 weeks, then fizzled out. Raising the dosage to 40mg didn't serve to recapture the antidepressant response. I experienced no side effects during this first trial. It was during a more recent trial in combination with Parnate that memantine treated me nastily.
> Do you know whether Memantine might reduce and/or reverse tolerance that has already developed?
There is more evidence that this is true of opioids than of stimulants. However, I have seen here anecdotal reports of limited success using memantine to help minimize tolerance to Adderall.
> > My doctor would like me to try acetyl L-carnitine. I'm thinking of adding to it folate and DHEA.
> Can you tell me why your doctor is suggesting you try acetyl-L-Carnitine?
My depression is so anergic, that my doctor thought that strategies to treat CFS (chronic fatigue syndrome) might help. Carnitine is essential for mitochondrial energy production. I experience more mental fatigue than physical fatigue. I think this is why he chose acetyl- over propionyl- carnitine.
Since I'm already going to be in the vitamin shop, I might as well add the folate and DHEA while I'm there. I already have the B-complex. I still have yet to determine dosages. 2 grams per day sounds about right. I don't have a clue as to how expensive the stuff is.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:30:19
In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by ed_uk on March 24, 2005, at 17:58:34
> Hi Scott!
>
> > I'll probably stay away from memantine for awhile, though.
>
> Did you prefer amantadine to memantine?I preferred the way memantine treated me the first time I tried it. The second time I tried it, I developed an aversion to it. It made me feel less motivated, more anergic, and somewhat more depressed.
I'll make sure to take my Bs. Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by TamaraJ on March 25, 2005, at 12:43:23
In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by Sarah T. on March 24, 2005, at 20:33:44
Sarah,
When I was considering supplementing with Acetyl L-Carnitine I had found the following information.
http://www.prohealthnetwork.com/library/showarticle.cfm/id/3152/T/Both
http://www.arond-thomasonline.com/template.asp?articleid=364&categoryid=176
http://www.cooperaerobics.com/archive/newsletters/032103_article03.asp
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Acetyl L-CarntineALC facilitates both the release and synthesis of Acetylcholine.
ALC's ability to increase the synthesis of Acetylcholine occurs as a result of it donating its Acetyl group towards the production of Acetylcholine. to order
ALC increases the Brain's levels of Choline Acetylase (which in turn facilities the production of Acetylcholine).
ALC enhances the release of Dopamine from Dopaminergic Neurons and improves the binding of Dopamine to Dopamine Receptors.
ALC improves the reaction times of persons afflicted with Cerebral Insufficiency.
ALC (2-4 grams per day) improves walking distance without Pain in persons afflicted with Intermittent Claudication.
ALC prevents the age-related impairment of Eyesight (by protecting the Neurons of the Optic Nerve and the Occipital Cortex of the Brain.
ALC enhances the ability of Macrophages to function as Phagocytes.
ALC given prior to exercise increased the maximum running speed of animals.
ALC enhances the function of Cytochrome Oxidase (an essential enzyme of the Electron Transport System (ETS).
ALC improves the Energy metabolism of Neurons (by enhancing the transport of Medium-Chain Saturated Fatty Acids and Short-Chain Saturated Fatty Acids across the Cell Membranes of Neurons into the Mitochondria).
ALC inhibits the damage caused by Hypoxia.
ALC transports Lipids into the Mitochondria of Cells.ALC improves Memory in persons afflicted with Age Associated Memory Impairment.
ALC improves Mental Function where Alcohol induced cognitive Impairment exists.
Acetyl-L-Carnitine inhibits the deterioration in Mental Function associated with Alzheimer’s Disease and slows the progression of Alzheimer’s Disease [persons afflicted with Alzheimer’s Disease exhibited significantly less deterioration in Mental Function following the administration of supplemental ALC for 12 months. This finding was verified by using nuclear magnetic resonance on the subjects].
ALC increases Alertness in persons afflicted with Alzheimer's Disease - 2,500-3,000 mg per day for 3 months].
ALC inhibits the toxicity of Amyloid-Beta Protein (ABP) to Neurons.ALC improves Attention Span in persons afflicted with Alzheimer's Disease.
ALC improves Short Term Memory in persons afflicted with Alzheimer's Disease.
High concentrations of ALC are naturally present in various regions of the Brain.
ALC reverses the age-related decline that occurs in Cholinergic Receptors (i.e. the Receptors that receive Acetylcholine).ALC improves (eye to hand) Coordination [supplemental ALC @ 1.5 grams per day for 30 days improved eye to hand coordination in healthy, sedentary subjects by a factor of 300-400%].
ALC improves the Interhemispheric Flow of Information across the Corpus Callosum of the Brain.
ALC retards the decline in the number of Dopamine Receptors that occurs in tandem with the Aging Process and (more rapidly) with the onset of Parkinson's Disease.
ALC enhances the release of Dopamine from Dopaminergic Neurons and improves the binding of Dopamine to Dopamine Receptors.
ALC can prevent the destruction of Dopamine Receptors by MPTP (a neurotoxin capable of causing Parkinson's Disease via Dopaminergic Receptor death.
ALC improves Attention Span and Memory in persons afflicted with Down’s Syndrome.
ALC retards the inevitable decline in the number of Glucocorticoid Receptors that occurs in tandem with the Aging Process.
ALC enhances the recovery of persons afflicted with Hemiplegia (Paralysis of one side of the body) and improves their Mood and Attention Span.
ALC retards the age-related deterioration of the Hippocampus [research - rats].
Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALC) improves Learning ability [women aged 22 - 27 were supplemented with ALC for 30 days. Complex video game tests before and after supplementation concluded that supplemental ALC caused large increases in speed of Learning, speed of reaction and reduction in errors].
ALC improves both Short-Term Memory and Long-Term Memory.
ALC improves Mood [ALC improves Mood in 53% of healthy subjects].
ALC inhibits (and possibly reverses) the degeneration of Myelin Sheaths that occurs in tandem with the progression of the Aging Process [scientific research - hyperglycemic mice treated with ALC for 16 weeks exhibited improved nerve conduction velocity and exhibited thicker Myelin Sheaths and larger myelinated Nerve Fibers].
ALC retards the inevitable decline in the number of Nerve Growth Factor (NGF) Receptors that occurs in tandem with the Aging Process.
ALC stimulates and maintains the growth of new Neurons within the Brain (both independently of Nerve Growth Factor (NGF) and as a result of preserving NGF) and helps to prevent the death of existing Neurons [ALC inhibits Neuron death in the Striatal Cortex, Prefrontal Cortex and the Occipital Cortex of the Brain].
ALC inhibits the degeneration of Neurons that is implicit in Neuropathy.
ALC rejuvenates and increases the number of N-Methyl-D-Aspartate Receptors (NMDA Receptors) in the Brain [even a single dose of ALC increases the number of functional NMDA Receptors]:
ALC protects the NMDA Receptors in the Brain from the natural decline that occurs in tandem with the Aging Process [research - animals].
ALC is presently being researched as a treatment for Parkinson's Disease.
ALC inhibits the loss of Vision, degeneration of Neurons and damage to the Retina associated with Retinopathy (including Diabetic Retinopathy).
ALC improves the quality of Sleep and reduces the quantity of Sleep required.
ALC improves the function of (reduces the over-excitability of) Motor Nerves in persons afflicted with Spasticity.
ALC improves Spatial Memory (an aspect of Short Term Memory that involves remembering one’s position in space).
ALC inhibits the excessive release of Cortisol in response to Stress and inhibits the depletion of Luteinising Hormone Releasing Hormone (LHRH) and Testosterone that occurs as a result of excessive Stress.
ALC improves Verbal Fluency.
ALC enhances the function of Cytochrome Oxidase (also called Complex IV) - an essential enzyme of the Electron Transport System.
ALC normalizes Beta-Endorphin levels.
ALC reduces Stress-induced Cortisol release [research - animals].ALC prevents the depletion of Luteinising Hormone Releasing Hormone (LHRH) caused by exposure to excessive Stress.
ALC retards the decline in the production of Nerve Growth Factor (NGF) that occurs in tandem with the Aging Process.
ALC increases plasma Testosterone levels (via its influence on Acetylcholine neurotransmission in the Striatal Cortex of the Brain) and prevents the depletion of Testosterone caused by exposure to excessive Stress [research - rats].
References
De Falco, F. A., et al. Effect of the chronic treatment with L-acetylcarnitine in Down’s syndrome. Clin Ther. 144:123-127, 1994.
Bowman, B. Acetyl-carnitine and Alzheimer’s disease. Nutr Rev. 50:142-144, 1992.
Bruno, G., et al. Acetyl-L-carnitine in Alzheimer disease: a short-term study on CSF neurotransmitters and neuropeptides. Alzheimer Dis Assoc Disord (USA). 9(3):128-131, 1995.
Calvani, M., et al. Action of acetyl L-carnitine in neurodegeneration and Alzheimer’s disease. Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences (USA). 663:483-486, 1993.
Carta, A., et al. Acetyl L-carnitine: a drug able to slow the progress of Alzheimer’s Disease? Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences (USA. 640:228-232, 1991.
Guarnaschelli, C., et al. Pathological brain ageing: evaluation of the efficacy of a pharmacological aid. Drugs under Experimental and Clinical Research. 14(11):715-718, 1988.
Passeri, M., et al. Acetyl L-carnitine in the treatment of mildly demented elderly patients. International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology Research. 10(1-2):75-79, 1990.
Pettegrew, J. W., et al. Clinical and neurochemical effects of acetyl-L-carnitine in Alzheimer’s disease. Neurobiol Aging. 16:1-4, 1995.
Rai, G., et al. Double-blind, placebo controlled study of acetyl-L-carnitine in patients with Alzheimer’s dementia. Current Medical Research and Opinion. 11(10):638-647, 1989.
Sano, M., et al. Double-blind parallel design pilot study of acetyl levocarnitine in patients with Alzheimer’s disease. Arch Neurol. 49:1137-1141, 1992.
Sinforiani, E., et al. Neuropsychological changes in demented patients treated with acetyl-L-carnitine. International Journal of Clinical Pharmacology Research. 10(1-2):69-74, 1990.
Spagnoli, A. U., et al. Long-term acetyl-l-carnitine treatment in Alzheimer’s disease. Neurology. 41(11):1726-1732, 1991.
Tamara
Posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 12:59:53
In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by TamaraJ on March 25, 2005, at 12:43:23
Thanks!!!
- Scott
Posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 0:49:41
In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by TamaraJ on March 25, 2005, at 12:43:23
Wow! Thank you so much, Tamara! I really appreciate your help.
Posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 1:14:53
In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:27:11
Hi Scott. Thanks so much for your reply. I might be interested in asking you more questions about Memantine in the future. For the next couple of months, I can't introduce too many new variables. I just need to keep things on an even keel for now. Every time I try a new medicine, it ends up being much more destabilizing than I anticipated. After reading many of your posts, it seems to me as if you have a pretty good doctor. I mean, your doctor seems to care and seems willing to work out the minutiae WITH you.
Posted by SLS on March 26, 2005, at 6:37:35
In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by Sarah T. on March 26, 2005, at 1:14:53
> I can't introduce too many new variables. I just need to keep things on an even keel for now. Every time I try a new medicine, it ends up being much more destabilizing than I anticipated.
I know this scenario well.
Yuck.
- SLS
Posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14
In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by RjLockhart98 on March 24, 2005, at 20:46:27
Will you go away!!!!! I asked you not to post to me or comment on any of my posts. Your topic of motivation was a dead give away and that fact that "implifying" is not a word and "But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing" is structurally incorrect and "your" should be "you're".
Matt post all the over the board if you want. I don't care. BUT DO NOT POST TO ME! You crossed the line when you made comments on what you thought I would do like "taking an OD" or "slashing my wrists" and I will NOT tolerate it. You put me down all the time.
This is my second request asking you to leave me alone. The first time I was polite. Now I am just really pissed off.
Maxime
> I do not know much information about what is going on, so i do not know what references to refer to maybe help.
>
> Motivation in life for me is how i perceive it, to maybe help, you may want to give yourself positive suggestions, before you sleep. "Tommorow will be a big day", implifying to do something that you seem to avoid. But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing. You do what you think it is best for you, i dont want to aggrevate what ever is happening.
>
> "The Ultimate secrets to Total Self-Confidence" by Dr. Robert Anthony helped me, if you want to briefly review it on google.com. It is not an expensive book. 6.95. But still you follow what you think is best.
>
> Follow your instinct.
>
> Ritch
Posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19
In reply to Re: I'm here » Sarah T., posted by SLS on March 25, 2005, at 5:27:11
Hi Scott,
> > > My doctor would like me to try acetyl L-carnitine. I'm thinking of adding to it folate and DHEA.
~~~~ If you don't mind my asking, I was just wondering why you have decided on DHEA and not Pregnenolone? I have been considering trialing Pregnenolone (apparently it is the precursor for DHEA and other hormones, and is sometimes referred as the grandmother of hormones or the super hormone) for a while now, but am curious if you think one might get better results from DHEA.
Thanks.
Tamara
Posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 22:34:09
In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19
Posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 6:30:33
In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by TamaraJ on March 26, 2005, at 20:27:19
> Hi Scott,
>
> > > > My doctor would like me to try acetyl L-carnitine. I'm thinking of adding to it folate and DHEA.
>
> ~~~~ If you don't mind my asking, I was just wondering why you have decided on DHEA and not Pregnenolone?The DHEA was my idea. I hadn't thought of pregnenolone. I guess anything macho-sounding (-androsterone) sounded good to me :-). I'll look into it.
Thanks.
Be well.
- Scott
Posted by djmmm on March 27, 2005, at 14:45:30
In reply to RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14
> Will you go away!!!!! I asked you not to post to me or comment on any of my posts. Your topic of motivation was a dead give away and that fact that "implifying" is not a word and "But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing" is structurally incorrect and "your" should be "you're".
>
> Matt post all the over the board if you want. I don't care. BUT DO NOT POST TO ME! You crossed the line when you made comments on what you thought I would do like "taking an OD" or "slashing my wrists" and I will NOT tolerate it. You put me down all the time.
>
> This is my second request asking you to leave me alone. The first time I was polite. Now I am just really pissed off.
>
> Maxime
>
>
> > I do not know much information about what is going on, so i do not know what references to refer to maybe help.
> >
> > Motivation in life for me is how i perceive it, to maybe help, you may want to give yourself positive suggestions, before you sleep. "Tommorow will be a big day", implifying to do something that you seem to avoid. But you choose that for yourself to what ever your experiencing. You do what you think it is best for you, i dont want to aggrevate what ever is happening.
> >
> > "The Ultimate secrets to Total Self-Confidence" by Dr. Robert Anthony helped me, if you want to briefly review it on google.com. It is not an expensive book. 6.95. But still you follow what you think is best.
> >
> > Follow your instinct.
> >
> > Ritch
>
>It just doesn't make sense to me. You have COMPLETE control over what posts you read, and don't read.
Easy solution: Just DON'T read their responses. I don't know (or really care to know) what is going on, but it seems to me that if you ignore their responses, your problem will be solved.
Posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:21:50
In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by djmmm on March 27, 2005, at 14:45:30
~~~~ Yes, that is an easy solution. However, there is a principle here - that being respect. When one poster asks another poster not to post to them in any way or form, that request should be respected. IRL I would venture to say that continuing to ignore such a request could be considered as a form of harassment. That being said, a poster who has repeatedly asked another not to post to them can also bring the posts in question to the attention of Dr. Bob or one of the deputies (Dinah or Mark H), in Dr. Bob's absence.
> It just doesn't make sense to me. You have COMPLETE control over what posts you read, and don't read.
>
> Easy solution: Just DON'T read their responses. I don't know (or really care to know) what is going on, but it seems to me that if you id gnore their responses, your problem will be solved.
>
>
Posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:25:46
In reply to Re: I'm here » TamaraJ, posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 6:30:33
Scott,
I haven't found much information yet on Pregnenolone, but here is what I have found so far, including a Babble post, FWIW (most of which is from sites that sell the supplement).
http://www.raysahelian.com/pregn.html
http://www.natural-health-care-products.com/pregnenolone.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030214/msgs/201315.html
http://www.cactusventures.com/webstuff3/pregnenolone.htm
http://www.reedsrx.com/women/chavez-dhea-pregnenolone.htm
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Pregnenolone - reducing stress and increasing productivity
by James South MAPregnenolone is a natural; body produced metabolite made from cholesterol. It is synthesized inside the mitochondria, the tiny "power plants" (up to 1000's per cell) found in each cell. Pregnenolone is the basic precursor, or starting raw material, for the production of ALL the human steroid hormones, including DHEA, progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, cortisol and aldosterone, but pregnenolone is not itself steroid hormone.
Pregnenolone has been studied extensively since the 1940's, when it was used both experimentally and medically. Experiments conducted in the 1940's and 1950's found pregnenolone to increase productivity and reduce the stress of factory workers, and to be an excellent anti-inflammatory in conditions such as, arthritis and allergies. Pregnenolone was phased out of medical use; yet ironically pregnenolone is radically safer and more versatile than the specific steroid hormones which replaced it! Pregnenolone is safe even at gram (1000mg) dosages, a claim no steroid hormone can make.
Several experiments conducted with mice in the 1990's have reopened interest in pregnenolone yet these experiments reveal just the "tip" of the ice-berg, while also revealing important clues to pregnenolone's action. In these recent experiments, mice were trained to run mazes to avoid electric shocks, pretreated with either pregnenolone or steroid hormones. A week later they were tested for their maze memory, and the pregnenolone treated rats prevailed. Any serious stressor (getting shocked, here) elicits the release of the adrenal stress steroid hormone- cortisol.
Cortisol is a stress hormone helpful in modest amounts, but toxic at higher levels. Both acute and chronic stress release cortisol and excess cortisol can damage the hippocampus, a mid-brain region essential to memory formation and retrieval. (This is only one of the many "dark side" effects of excess cortisol).
The mice experiment strongly suggests that pregnenolone is able to blunt the normal memory damaging effects of excess stress related cortisol.
Pregnenolone shows many of the benefits of cortisol, it reduces allergic reactions, lessens arthritis inflammation and produces a relaxing and mildly euphoric "stress buffer effect", without any of the negative side effects of cortisol.
Pregnenolone improves mood, and has a mild anti-depressant effect at doses of 50mg to 200mg per day, and also improves energy levels by protecting our energy producing mitochondria from toxins, which would otherwise damage the mitochondria.
Pregnenolone also enhances the activity of the cytochrome P450 detoxifying enzymes, which help our cells (especially the liver and brain) to detoxify poisons of all sorts, whether from the outside world, or our own metabolically produced toxins. Pregnenolone is generally safe and effective at doses of 25mg to 200mg per day.
The body's own production of pregnenolone is reduced with aging, stress, depression, hypothyroidism and toxin exposure. The work of Ray Peat Ph.D., has shown that pregnenolone may be a general "anti-stress" metabolite. However this may not always be present in our bodies at optimal levels, precisely because it may be used up in producing all the steroid hormones, not leaving enough to fulfill its stress buffer role. Hence the need for supplementation.
Anyone taking medically prescribed steroid hormones should NEVER try substituting pregnenolone for part or all of their steroid dosage, unless supervised by their prescribing physician.
Tamara
Posted by SLS on March 27, 2005, at 20:08:10
In reply to Re: I'm here » SLS, posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:25:46
Posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:35:24
In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE » djmmm, posted by TamaraJ on March 27, 2005, at 17:21:50
Not to mention that then he sent me a Babble Mail.
Okay I was stalked once on a board. Stalked to the point where I had to MOVE and change my phone number. And no I was not suffering from paranoia. Now I know that isn't going to happen in this case, but it sure is stirring up some painful memories.Maxime
Posted by gardenergirl on March 28, 2005, at 1:11:05
In reply to Re: RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:35:24
I wanted to let you know that I redirected the aspects of this thread related to posting policies to Admin.
Here is a link to it.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050323/msgs/476565.html
Also, Dr. Bob has a policy for dealing with Babblemail. If someone sends you one that is unwanted or if you perceive it as harrassing, you can forward it to him. Include the headers if you can. He can take it from there.
Please direct any further responses regarding this to the admin. thread.
Thanks,
gg
> Not to mention that then he sent me a Babble Mail.
> Okay I was stalked once on a board. Stalked to the point where I had to MOVE and change my phone number. And no I was not suffering from paranoia. Now I know that isn't going to happen in this case, but it sure is stirring up some painful memories.
>
> Maxime
Posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:23:31
In reply to Re: I'm here, posted by RjLockhart98 on March 24, 2005, at 20:46:27
Which require that you not post to someone who has asked you not to post to them.
Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.
If you have any questions about administrative policies, please redirect them to the administrative board.
Posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:37:46
In reply to RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE, posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14
Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.
I understand that you're upset, but please follow the civility guidelines at
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours are hurt. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Those guidelines apply to all posts, regardless of circumstances. But it is possible to handle things administratively.
If someone posts to you, and you have previously asked them not to post to you, you can post a link to the post, and to the post where you requested that they not post to you on the Administrative board, and it will be handled by Dr. Bob or a deputy. If you aren't familiar with posting links, just post a general description of what happened on the Admin board.
There are guidelines at the bottom of each Babblemail telling how to handle Babblemail that you feel abuses the privilege.
If you have any other questions about Administrative policies, please direct them to the Admin board.
Dinah
Posted by Maxime on March 28, 2005, at 23:11:03
In reply to Please follow the civility guidelines » maxime, posted by Dinah on March 28, 2005, at 1:37:46
Made to feel accused? I don't get it. I ask someone not to post to me and they do. I am not making them feel accused ... I AM accusing them because the evidence is there by the mere fact that they did not respect my wishes.
I have already taken up the situation with Dr. Bob and forwarded the Babble Mail that Matt sent me and if there was a future I would follow the civility guidelines. Thank you for explaining the proper protocol.
Maxime
> Dinah here, acting as deputy for Dr. Bob.
>
> I understand that you're upset, but please follow the civility guidelines at
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
>
> Please be sensitive to the feelings of others even if yours are hurt. Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Those guidelines apply to all posts, regardless of circumstances. But it is possible to handle things administratively.
>
> If someone posts to you, and you have previously asked them not to post to you, you can post a link to the post, and to the post where you requested that they not post to you on the Administrative board, and it will be handled by Dr. Bob or a deputy. If you aren't familiar with posting links, just post a general description of what happened on the Admin board.
>
> There are guidelines at the bottom of each Babblemail telling how to handle Babblemail that you feel abuses the privilege.
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> If you have any other questions about Administrative policies, please direct them to the Admin board.
>
> Dinah
>
>
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 7:42:46
In reply to Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Dinah, posted by Maxime on March 28, 2005, at 23:11:03
> Made to feel accused? I don't get it. I ask someone not to post to me and they do. I am not making them feel accused ... I AM accusing them because the evidence is there by the mere fact that they did not respect my wishes.
Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc. That had the effect of cancelling your "Do not post to me, Matt" request.
You can't post to a person who cannot post to you, or the whole thing is off.
Lar
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15
In reply to Re: Please follow the civility guidelines » Maxime, posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 7:42:46
> Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc.
Trying to get caught up here. Can you give me a link to that thread? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:19:03
In reply to Re: Here.....go to town » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/476439.html
Maxime's post telling Ritch to go to town was date stamped after Ritch posted to her when she asked him not to. It was a reply to his posting to her when she asked him not to, not retroactive permission to post to her.
Posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:24:31
In reply to Except that (Here, Dr. Bob), posted by Dinah on March 29, 2005, at 10:19:03
RITCH LEAVE ME ALONE!! MATT LEAVE ME ALONE
Posted by maxime on March 26, 2005, at 12:45:14Here ... go to town!
Posted by Maxime on March 27, 2005, at 20:50:59http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050322/msgs/475648.html
What I don't have is the URL to Maxime's original request not to post, and there may have been intervening posts by Maxime to Ritch (or Matt) that would have technically invalidated that request. I'm not aware of any.
Posted by Larry Hoover on March 29, 2005, at 10:45:30
In reply to Re: Here.....go to town » Larry Hoover, posted by Dr. Bob on March 29, 2005, at 8:11:15
> > Maxime, in your "Here.....go to town" thread, you specifically told Matt that he could tell you what a pessimist you were, etc.
>
> Trying to get caught up here. Can you give me a link to that thread? Thanks,
>
> Bobhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20050326/msgs/476439.html
If Dinah is right, and Matt's other posts came before this one, I think Matt broke the rules.
Maxime is also mentioning Babblemails in the admin discussion, but she would, of course, have to forward the headers to you, Dr. Bob.
I'm not sure she's up to managing all these conflicting pieces right now.
Lar
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