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Posted by Jeroen on January 31, 2005, at 12:25:52
In reply to Re: Clozaril » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 29, 2005, at 17:19:28
hi, i talked with my psy doc today, he said he cannot give Leponex to me because i need to be hospitalized for that
i aint hospitalized, i am going 3 days a week to the hospital?
why cant they give this to me? like zyprexa
should i go to a psychiatrist outside the hospital and ask them to prescribe this for me? My psy doc sais its rule everywhere that you need to be hospitalized before they can give you leponex
I explained it that ive read leponex can treat or somethimes REVERSE the tardive dysinesia, i say why cant i try this??
i really need your advice on this... what should i do?
Posted by ed_uk on January 31, 2005, at 12:52:26
In reply to TO ED_UK URGENT!!!, posted by Jeroen on January 31, 2005, at 12:25:52
Hi Jeroen :-)
>i aint hospitalized, i am going 3 days a week to the hospital?
Unfortunately, you will have to be admitted to hospital if you want to try Leponex :-(
>should i go to a psychiatrist outside the hospital and ask them to prescribe this for me?
No, treatment with Leponex is only initiated in inpatients. All psychiatrists would say the same.
>i really need your advice on this... what should i do?
If you really want to try Leponex you will have to ask your psychiatrist to admit you to hospital. After you have been stabilised on Leponex you will be able to continue treatment with Leponex as an outpatient. You would probably only have to stay in hospital for a short time. When people start treatment with Leponex they sometimes have serious side effects such as very low blood pressure. It is safest to start Leponex in hospital because the nurses can monitor you closely eg. measure your blood pressure regularly etc.
Good luck!
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on January 31, 2005, at 14:24:44
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 31, 2005, at 12:52:26
im gonna try taking zyprexa again, i noticed an improvement right after 3 weeks ...
the first two weeks its worse!!!
i have lot of suicidal taughts. its 4 months since i have the eye problem
Posted by Jeroen on January 31, 2005, at 15:06:40
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on January 31, 2005, at 12:52:26
hi, i just read
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14502683&dopt=Abstract
but some people said to me seroquel can make you psychotic, i think it did to me, when i first took 400 mg i experieced a electric zap feeling into my brain all evening, even thunderstrikesi taught my cat was responsible for my disease, now thats a psychotic taught i never have!
this is strange, please your comments,
im going to try zyprexa one last time for few months, after 3 weeks the blinking is bit less like 2/5 gone
Posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 8:10:56
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on January 31, 2005, at 15:06:40
Hi Jeroen,
What medication has your new psychiatrist prescribed? Has he given you more Zyprexa?
If you do decide to take Zyprexa, take a low dose eg. 5mg. Don't take a high dose unless your doctor told you to.
Are you thinking of trying Seroquel again? If you do you should try a much lower dose than you took before.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 10:31:17
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 8:10:56
can i take Zyprexa with seroquel? low dose of course like 5 mg zyprexa with 25 or 50 mg of seroquel
also amantadine
Posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 11:47:47
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 10:31:17
Hi Jeroen,
Why would you want to combine Zyprexa with Seroquel? In terms of your blepharospasm, it would probably be more helpful for you to be on Seroquel alone. I think that you would probably experience much milder side effects from Seroquel if you started with a low dose (eg. 12.5mg or 25mg per day) and increased very gradually.
Please tell me.... What treatment has your new psychiatrist prescribed?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 11:56:42
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 11:47:47
zyprexa, i said to him its very worse when i take zyprexa that im almost blind, i cant see where i walk, he said it aint zyprexa, that doctor i never want to speak again with!
ill go with the seroquel
i know a girl who purse her lips and she take seroquel and its 100% gone!!!!!!
Posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 12:23:23
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 11:56:42
Hi,
Although I think Seroquel would be better than Zyprexa for your blepharospasm, I'm a bit concerned that you might have 'strange thoughts' if you take Seroquel. Hopefully, the strange thoughts that you had when you took Seroquel previously were not caused by the drug.
What strength of Seroquel tablets do you have?
In the UK, it comes in 25mg, 100mg, 150mg, 200mg and 300mg tablets. Which strength do you have?
If you're going to try Seroquel, you really need the 25mg tablets so that you can start on a very low dose. If you start at a high dose it will probably make you feel VERY drowsy and ill.On PubMed, there is a report of an Italian patient who found Seroquel MORE effective than clozapine in reducing the symptoms of his TD!!! The same patient also tried Zyprexa but it wasn't very effective.
I really don't think you should start Seroquel without asking your new psychiatrist. Did you talk about trying Seroquel at your last appointment? I think that he'd probably give you a prescription for the 25mg tablets if you asked.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 12:36:38
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 12:23:23
hi, the strange tought came from seroquel, i was heavy sedated, coudnt function
i see a serious problem here, i once took 400 mg and it was pure hell i was zombie the next day, strange psychotic taughts i got from this medicine when i stopped it it dissapeared!!!
i can order seroquel 25 mg from www.usadrug.netmy doctor will not prescribe it, im very sure of it, he wants me to immediatelly take 200 to 400 mg after a few days and not 25 mg, so he really doesnt help me with my eye problem
i dont trust my doctor anymore, he doesnt care about my eye problem!
can you advise me a bit how i should proceed?
Posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 12:51:46
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 12:36:38
Hello,
>he wants me to immediatelly take 200 to 400 mg after a few days and not 25 mg
Well, here are the official UK dosage guidelines for using Seroquel in schizophrenia. The guidelines in Belgium are probably the same.
Take 25 mg twice daily on day 1, 50 mg twice daily on day 2, 100 mg twice daily on day 3, 150 mg twice daily on day 4, then adjusted according to response, usual range 300–450 mg daily in 2 divided doses; max. 750 mg daily.
Personally, I think you should increase the dose more slowly though, starting out at 12.5 or 25mg at bedtime. You could gradually work your way up to about 300mg/day over a few weeks.
>my doctor will not prescribe it
I think he probably would prescribe the 25mg tablets if you asked him to!!
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 12:57:39
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 12:51:46
can i just take 25 mg for a week then add more, i really think this medicine gave me psychosis taughts
the last thing i can miss is a drug induced psychosis!!!
ill sure ill kill myself!
Posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 13:03:13
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK URGENT!!! *NEW* SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 1, 2005, at 12:51:46
can i increase my dosage slowly upto 100 mg for a few weeks?
Posted by olysi79 on February 1, 2005, at 13:48:33
In reply to Re: I hate Thorazine!! » Ritch, posted by ed_uk on January 14, 2005, at 13:22:47
Hey Ed,
I've never tried Thorazine but it sounds like you and I have had similar experiences on APs. I get severe akathisia and panic attacks if I take them for too long, like I could blow right out of my skin, LOL even a low dose of friggin Seroquel did that to me. I get this internal intense urge to move, and I feel like I could walk around the world 100 times and it still wouldn't be enough, much like an agitated depression/mixed state. It's hard because those meds are excellent for intrustive thinking and whatnot. I wish they would come up with one that didn't rub you out with akathisia and other EPS stuff. Now I just take one as needed off and on as sort of a "reset" if things are getting out of hand, but it would be nice to have one that was reliable for long term use.> Hi,
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> My experience with Thorazine....
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> About 2 years ago I had a severe episode of OCD. While I was waiting for citalopram to work my pdoc gave me a prescription for Thorazine because I was desperate for relief.
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> Effects........
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> 25mg dose... drowsiness, mental slowing, mild dry mouth, no relief of OCD whatsoever.
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> 50 mg dose.... some increased anxiety.
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> I got desperate and took 150mg (max. daily dose is 1000mg) because my OCD was making me suicidal.....
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> Result.........
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> Severe anxiety,
> VERY severe akathisia- I was writhing and shouting,
> Dystonia of tongue.
> Mental confusion,
> strong anticholinergic side effects.
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> Went to ER........
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> Took 60 mg (12 tabs) of Valium to calm me down. At first they wouldn't give me more than 5mg so I has to make a scene and threaten to kill myslelf. I was the worst distress of my life- would not wish it on my worst enemy.
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> Ed.
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> Sever
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 7:07:25
In reply to QUESTION, posted by Jeroen on February 1, 2005, at 13:03:13
Hi Jeroen,
If you truly believe that Seroquel gave you psychotic thoughts, it would be very unwise to take it without your doctors supervision. If you do still want to try Seroquel, you would need to be closely monitored by your doctor while you increase the dose very gradually.
PLEASE, do not take any more medication without discussing it first with your new psychiatrist.
Would it be so bad to go into hospital for a short while to start clozapine??????
Ed.
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 7:12:28
In reply to Re: I hate Thorazine!! » ed_uk, posted by olysi79 on February 1, 2005, at 13:48:33
Hi!!
If you get akathisia from Seroquel don't try chlorpromazine!!!! When my akathisia was severe, moving about DID NOT help- but it was still hard to stop!! I got akathisia within 90 minutes of the high dose.
Which APs have you tried? How did you respond to each one? Which meds have you tried for akathisia? Inderal? Anticholinergics?
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 8:39:17
In reply to Re: QUESTION » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 7:07:25
i will try taking seroquel at low doses for my eye problem, and increase the dosage very safe
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 9:16:41
In reply to SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 8:39:17
Take care! Remember, in long term use, Seroquel needs to be taken twice daily ie. approximately every 12 hours, one dose in the morning and one dose before you go to bed. It's ok to take the whole dose at night (eg. 25mg) for the first few days of treatment.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 10:32:04
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 9:16:41
why not once a day? huh??? those meds are terrible?
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 11:31:59
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 10:32:04
Hi Jeroen,
It has a short half-life, it needs to be taken twice daily. It's only taken as a single dose at night when it's used to treat insomnia.
How to take Seroquel.....
Take the first dose in the morning and the second dose in the evening (about 12 hours apart).Watch out for strange thoughts!!!! I am worried about you Jeroen.
>those meds are terrible?
It's not so hard to take it twice daily is it?
PLEASE don't ignore my question........
Would you consider going into hospital to start clozapine?Ed.
PS. I like the name Jeroen. Is it your real name?
Posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 12:00:19
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 11:31:59
i dont know about the clozapine, i hate the hospital i am in now, all those doctors talk to me like i am a crazy dangerous people, i dont trust psyhciatric
if this eye problem doesnt cure, i dont care about my life anymore!
Posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 12:05:38
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 12:00:19
Hello,
>all those doctors talk to me like i am a crazy dangerous people
I know you're not dangerous! You'd only have to stay in the hospital for a short time. Imagine how you would feel if your blinking was gone, you probably wouldn't even care that you were in hospital.
>if this eye problem doesnt cure, i dont care about my life anymore!
You'll find a solution! Don't forget Botox.
Ed.
Posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 13:03:50
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 12:05:38
its not just blinking alone, my eyes make uncontrolled movements, especially they go up and then go left
Posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 13:04:07
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL, posted by Jeroen on February 2, 2005, at 13:03:50
yes jeroen is my real name
Posted by yxibow on February 2, 2005, at 17:20:53
In reply to Re: SEROQUEL » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on February 2, 2005, at 9:16:41
> Take care! Remember, in long term use, Seroquel needs to be taken twice daily ie. approximately every 12 hours, one dose in the morning and one dose before you go to bed. It's ok to take the whole dose at night (eg. 25mg) for the first few days of treatment.
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> Ed.Its been shown that Seroquel can be taken once a day (at night), but that depends on one's situation. (I happen to, but this of course varies).
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