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Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 10:46:31
I wondered whether anyone on p-babble was currently taking Xyrem.
I know that a few of you have taken it in the past. Would anyone like to share their experience?
Ed.
Posted by BradD on December 29, 2004, at 11:45:41
In reply to Xyrem (GHB), posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 10:46:31
> I know that a few of you have taken it in the past. Would anyone like to share their experience?
Hi there,
I have taken GHB in the past.
What would you like to know specifically about it?
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 14:41:09
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » ed_uk, posted by BradD on December 29, 2004, at 11:45:41
Hi!
What effect did it have on you?
Ed.
Posted by BradD on December 29, 2004, at 15:56:01
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » BradD, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 14:41:09
> Hi!
>
> What effect did it have on you?
>
> Ed.Hello
Here is my old post which pretty much explains the effect GHB + Adderall had (has) on me:
Posted by TheOutsider on December 29, 2004, at 17:12:32
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » ed_uk, posted by BradD on December 29, 2004, at 15:56:01
Hi Ed
I'm not currently taking GHB, because I know longer have access to it, but I think it’s fair to say that I have had a lot of experience with GHB!You said you wanted to know what effect it had on people, so I'll try and tell you what it did for me.
I started taking it for social anxiety. Initially it was a wonder drug; it turned me from someone who couldn’t maintain a decent conversation with my parents into a social butterfly. I was calling up old friends I’d lost contact with for years and arranging to meet them!In terms of its effects it does not resemble Benzos it causes none of the depression of cognitive dulling that one gets with benzos.
I will no summarise the effect of a 1-2g dose of GHB on me: Firstly powerful anxiolytic effect with strong and pleasant muscle relaxation. Secondly heightened sensations, colours look brighter, girls look prettier, and ones sense of touch is also enhanced.
Thirdly it was strongly prosexual, orgasms were more powerful.
Finally it caused strong euphoria, also I felt ‘loved up’, for example when I spoke to a friend I would appreciate all that was good about them and feel incredibly strong affection for them.Unfortunately I eventually developed a tolerance to the euphoric effects of GHB. It still kept its anxiolytic effect though, and I didn’t have to increase my dose.
Personally I think GHB is a great treatment for social anxiety; however I don’t think it is a good standalone treatment for depression or generalised anxiety. It has a very short period of action, and rebound anxiety is experienced after several weeks of frequent use.
Hope this helps you, if you have any other questions don’t hesitate to ask!
Regards
Tom
Posted by TheOutsider on December 29, 2004, at 17:26:34
In reply to Xyrem (GHB) My Experience, posted by TheOutsider on December 29, 2004, at 17:12:32
You have probably read this already, but I'll post it just incase you haven't.
I think this is the best article on GHB I have read http://www.biopsychiatry.com/ghb/authentic.html
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 17:42:30
In reply to One more thing!, posted by TheOutsider on December 29, 2004, at 17:26:34
Thank you very much Mr. Outsider and Brad!!
It is always interesting to hear people's experiences :-)
Ed.
PS. To TheOutsider.... how is your SP at the moment? Are you on any medication?
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2004, at 17:52:23
In reply to Gamma-hydroxybutyrate » TheOutsider, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 17:42:30
Wow! Where do you obtain this drug? Is it only in Europe? I know, they decided it was dangerous because some big pharmacitical co. didn't discover it ! Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 18:30:20
In reply to Re: Gamma-hydroxybutyrate, posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2004, at 17:52:23
Hi Phillipa,
GHB is not used medicinally in the UK- people here usually think of it as a date-rape drug (not to be confused with Rohypnol/flunitrazepam- a benzo). In the UK, GHB has a very bad reputation.
GHB is used medicinally in some countries.....
In Austria, Hungary and Italy it is available under the brand name Alcover, to treat alcohol withdrawal symptoms.
In Germany the brand name is Somsanit, which is used as a IV general anesthetic.
In France it is called Gamma-OH, which is used as a 'sedative'.
In the USA the brand name is Xyrem, which is used to prevent cataleptic attacks associated with narcolepsy.
Love Ed x
Posted by lars1 on December 29, 2004, at 18:58:46
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » ed_uk, posted by BradD on December 29, 2004, at 15:56:01
> Here is my old post which pretty much explains the effect GHB + Adderall had (has) on me:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040521/msgs/349108.htmlBrad,
Your old post makes GHB + Adderall + Klonopin sound like a wonder drug! Does it still work that well for you, or did it poop out?
Lars
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2004, at 19:02:27
In reply to Re: Gamma-hydroxybutyrate » Phillipa, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 18:30:20
Ooops! I guess my pdoc won't prescribe this one for me then. And I copied that whole article that was Posted on it too! Can you believe I was going to give it to the pdoc! Hadn't had time to read it yet. Oh Well! PS Hope you got the pics I sent you. G sent the boat. That's what he does, free-hand paints the graphics. Fondly Phillipa O
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 19:10:45
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » BradD, posted by lars1 on December 29, 2004, at 18:58:46
Thank you very much for the pics :-)
I'm just about to reply! BTW, what time is it where you live? It's 1.10 at night here!
Ed xxx
Posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2004, at 19:22:00
In reply to Hi Phillipa!!!, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 19:10:45
Glad you got them. How do you like your second family? It is 8:20PM, on the 29th. North Carolina. Fondly Phillipa OOO
Posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 19:53:09
In reply to HI ED! » ed_uk, posted by Phillipa on December 29, 2004, at 19:22:00
I just replied! I LOVE my second family!
Ed xxx
Posted by BradD on December 30, 2004, at 5:23:02
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » BradD, posted by lars1 on December 29, 2004, at 18:58:46
> > Here is my old post which pretty much explains the effect GHB + Adderall had (has) on me:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20040521/msgs/349108.html
>
> Brad,
>
> Your old post makes GHB + Adderall + Klonopin sound like a wonder drug! Does it still work that well for you, or did it poop out?I'm guessing that it would still work *GREAT* and not poop-out, but the only problem is - I am unable to obtain GHB anymore :( How I wish I had a source just like 6 months ago. Oh well. Now I'm self-medicating with Tramadol(Ultram) and Xanax which is in no way as pro-social as Adderall+GHB combo, but still kills the anxiety.
Posted by TheOutsider on December 30, 2004, at 10:02:47
In reply to Gamma-hydroxybutyrate » TheOutsider, posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 17:42:30
> Thank you very much Mr. Outsider and Brad!!
>
> It is always interesting to hear people's experiences :-)
>
> Ed.
>
> PS. To TheOutsider.... how is your SP at the moment? Are you on any medication?Hey Ed, Thanks for asking!
It makes me feel a bit less lonely, which is good as Social anxiety is probably one of the loneliest condition of all.
In answer to how my Social anxiety is at the pressent I would say not a bad as in the past, however it is still having a significant negative impact on my life.
As for medication I am currently taking 150mg of Effexor XL, I have been at this dosage for just over a month. It didn't seem to be helping much, however in the last couple of days I have felt a bit better, maybe this is the Effexor kicking in? Or Perhaps I'm just in a good mood, who knows.
I used to take GHB 'as needed' for situations that would trigger my social anxiety.
Currently I have replaced this with Klonopin, which doesn't work nearly as well, but it does help significantly.I'm still looking for the ideal treatment really, I can't take Klonopin long term (and I also wouldn't want to, if it could be avioded!)
Take care Ed
Posted by ed_uk on December 30, 2004, at 10:57:30
In reply to For Ed, posted by TheOutsider on December 30, 2004, at 10:02:47
Hello!!!
I'm really glad that you're feeling a bit better. Effexor can certainly take a long time to 'kick in' (for anxiety) so you might see an improvement over the next few weeks. I hope you do :-)
I sent you a babblemail, did you get it?
Best Wishes,
Ed.
Posted by lars1 on December 30, 2004, at 18:53:27
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » lars1, posted by BradD on December 30, 2004, at 5:23:02
>
> I'm guessing that it would still work *GREAT* and not poop-out, but the only problem is - I am unable to obtain GHB anymore :( How I wish I had a source just like 6 months ago. Oh well. Now I'm self-medicating with Tramadol(Ultram) and Xanax which is in no way as pro-social as Adderall+GHB combo, but still kills the anxiety.
Hi Brad,Thanks for the info. Maybe I will try to get that combo one of these days. It's good to hear that you're hanging in there.
Cheers,
Lars
Posted by Willyee on December 30, 2004, at 23:38:00
In reply to Xyrem (GHB), posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 10:46:31
> I wondered whether anyone on p-babble was currently taking Xyrem.
>
> I know that a few of you have taken it in the past. Would anyone like to share their experience?
>
> Ed.GHB although obviously extremly unique,is similiar in a sort to most of your gaba mood stablizers.
At very very very miniamal doses,it ca be used just as effective as a benzo as an AUGMENT to a stimulating med,it will cut that edge of anxiety,it looses the tension in the body and helps create ones social abilites more.
Now GHB is extremly dose dependent,so much by a mg.Taken alone i dident see much value in ghb.Taken alone most times like taking a strong sedative alone there is a mixutre of euphoria,and depression.There is also a stupour,you sill find yourself talking a lot,calling people from the past,you likly will do so to a point where it will be noticable.Your walk wont be steady,your thinking will be slowed,and all in all you will be high,and like most highs the rebound will come,and youll regret the way you behaved while on it.Some people can use it alone and at high doses but i have used it years and found this to be the result everytime.
To summerize,in small doses,im talking from a dropper,it can provde a slight ease of tension,and creat a slightly more social state of mind,this is most found when it is augmented in the same way a benzo would be,and at this small dose as an augment i have never witnessed any abuse potential whatesoever,or rebound.Aside from that,if you want to use it recreational,for emotional disordered people it would prob still be a better choice than most recreational drugs.Just make sure you understand its a once in a blue moon thing,make sure your somewhere safe,with people who know youll be on it,and try to have a benzo handy,a small pieace of klonopin and usualy help greatly when too much ghb is taken.
Also it would be a dishonor to at least mention one of its greatest attributes,if your partner agrees to use it with you,at a fairly moderate dose the stuff will give both the man and woman a heavy breathing incredable sexual urge,it will intensify every part of a sexual experieance,shy females most times will be more willing to particpate more openly,but no they will not be knocked out,they will be fully aware of who they are,instead they will just notice this heat sensation sneak up on them,and you will see them respond to you in bed in ways u never have before.
I actualy dont like the use of it recreational,it ruins my thoughts,makes the thinking patterns even more sloppier than they were,just now i dont care,i twitch,and overall do not feel nice.I do however hold GREAT GREAT value to it as an augment,in fact using it allows a much smaller dose of klonopin to be used,and they work great togther,with no high ,just simply klonopin with a nice little nudge on it.It beats every lousy gaba augment,nueronton,gabitril,tegatrol enormously,unlike those at small doses ghb does not feel as if its accumalting and you do not feel like a brain dead zombie.
Posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:31:17
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB), posted by Willyee on December 30, 2004, at 23:38:00
Thank you Willy for your experience :-) It was very interesting. For you, how do the effects of GHB compare with alcohol?
Ed.
Posted by Michael Bell on December 31, 2004, at 14:58:11
In reply to Xyrem (GHB), posted by ed_uk on December 29, 2004, at 10:46:31
>
Just the fact that the FDA actually legalized a substance (although very restricted) that was once the bane of its existence is a mindblower. Through a long, slow process, it will probably be available for an expanding list of conditions, though still highly regulated.What they really need is an extended release version.
I wondered whether anyone on p-babble was currently taking Xyrem.
>
> I know that a few of you have taken it in the past. Would anyone like to share their experience?
>
> Ed.
Posted by Willyee on January 1, 2005, at 0:12:56
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » Willyee, posted by ed_uk on December 31, 2004, at 7:31:17
> Thank you Willy for your experience :-) It was very interesting. For you, how do the effects of GHB compare with alcohol?
>
> Ed.
Well thats a hard question.GHB like i satated can definatly be used thepruticaly,in small dosages in can aid in anxiety relieaf the same way a benzo would,in small doses it can be combine with a benzo,lowering the needed dose of a benzo,and in small doses can not only serve as an anti-anxiety agent,but in conjunction with other meds it can serve as the other common mood stablizers...(nuerontin,gabitril,tegratol,etc).Alcholol obviously does not have this ability to be saftely added to a regimin as an add on,ghb in correct doses can,and can be extremly effective as well,here there is no comparison to alcholol at all.
As far as recreation doses goes,its still in a class of its own.With a ghb recreation dose there is small to little chance of a violent outburst,there is also less depression at the higher doses than a drunken state consumes.
The biggest difference is,however unlike alcholol there is a dopamine rebound,so when the effects wear off there is the opposite of a hangover,rather there is a surge of dopamine relaese,for some this is good,others might be very agititating.
So to answer your question,ghb holds great theprutic value if used by a responsable person.As a recreation drug,it is still much better than alcholol,however it is ill advised mainly because alcholol wont land you in jail serving serious time the way ghb would.
Many people actualy used ghb to help ease off alcoholoism.But with the tight law on ghb,as well as the extreme difficultiy of obtaining actual pure or reasonably safe ghb,i would not use it recreational at all,the closes to that id go is for its sexual benifits.
With the ban on ghb,you now have people who used it for years turning to cosmetic products doing dangerous kitchen scienace to try to extract trace amounts of it from them,as well as orering from less then respectable sources,sources which will likly provide a dangerous product,toxic,or provide nothing and scam you.I dont see how it can be looked upon as a demon of a drug without any knowledge of it by the general public,at the very least they should know the same posion they are blastering is avaiable by prescription,the substance isnt different at all,only the price range!
Posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2005, at 17:24:29
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB), posted by Willyee on January 1, 2005, at 0:12:56
Thank you Willy for your detailed post :-)
Does anyone know whether GHB will ever be available on prescription in the UK? ...I seriously doubt it.
Ed.
Posted by Willyee on January 2, 2005, at 2:21:44
In reply to Re: Xyrem (GHB) » Willyee, posted by ed_uk on January 1, 2005, at 17:24:29
> Thank you Willy for your detailed post :-)
>
> Does anyone know whether GHB will ever be available on prescription in the UK? ...I seriously doubt it.
>
> Ed.Im sure a lot of people are aware,but ghb is more than a single substance.There are numerous groups dedicated to the substance alone,as well as finding it mentioned often on many many others.
When xyrem was released the black market ghb was oblivated now.So the only way ghb will ever be avaialable to the average joe would be if xyrem decides to loosen it restrictions and allow off label scripts.
For now,it is one of the hardest meds to have presribed,their is a video that needs to be watched by the paitent about it,ONLY the prescribing doc can call it in,and he can only call to a central pharmacy,it is not something you can pick up at any local one,it comes direct from this central pharmacy,after the doc calls it in,and shipped to the paitent.
I truly dont ever see this happening if anything,i see the possability of xyrem itself being looked at again if it doesent start producing revenue and might even disappear,this im not sure.
Also any chance of getting a fairly safe black market product dissapeared with xyrems emergence now as well.You have group veterans who knew every "product" that contained it now even saying it is hopeless,the stuff is just not out there.So to say its even avaialable in script form is to say it loosly,it really isnt,its not like attempting to get a common med,even a benzo,it is a very very difficult med to get a prescription for.
With this i doubt theyll be any more underground sources for a time to come,and i truly doubt any other countries will pop up with a script version any easier to obtain than the U.S `s which is close to impossable.
There was a time unfortunatly,not long ago when even though it was "ilegal" obtaining more than adequadtly safe ghb was only a mouse click away,you had a few choices actualy.
Seein hard core veterans roaming the net now for cosmetics products with trace amounts of it is proof enough that the average joe should not believe anyone who tells them they can get it for them,chances are your being lied to.
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