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Posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
I'm talking anything, what really is the worst med. of all time with the worst withdrawl symptoms.
Paxil?
Nembutal? ???
Xanax?
?????
Well someone's got to know.
Matt
Posted by TofuEmmy on July 24, 2004, at 18:36:07
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
Posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:40:47
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
Posted by jlbl2l on July 24, 2004, at 20:55:34
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
GHB (Xyrem)
Posted by Camille Dumont on July 24, 2004, at 21:45:59
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by jlbl2l on July 24, 2004, at 20:55:34
Well, I can only talk about those I tried so between : trazodone, seroquel, zyprexa, celexa and effexor xr ...
I'd say Effexor xr ... but I have yet to knwo what the celexa withdrawal feels like.
Posted by Lex Luthor on July 24, 2004, at 22:54:09
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by Camille Dumont on July 24, 2004, at 21:45:59
It has to be Effexor. How I qitted it I still don't know.
Posted by King Vultan on July 24, 2004, at 23:47:12
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
Out of the 10+ meds I've tried, Effexor is the only one I've suffered withdrawal symptoms on. I am about to withdraw from Nardil and will have to see about that one, though.
Todd
Posted by sb417 on July 25, 2004, at 1:10:23
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
I'm not absolutely certain, but after several years of reading hundreds of posts here and elsewhere, as well as reading many journal articles, I would say that Effexor and Paxil are probably the worst. I believe this means they are addictive, much more addictive than most of the benzodiazapines and stimulants we discuss here.
Posted by WAKI on July 25, 2004, at 5:05:48
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms » badmood, posted by sb417 on July 25, 2004, at 1:10:23
Interesting to hear Effexor and/or paxil. Both Effexor and Paxil I was able to quit cold turkey with no with drawl.
I have tried to cold turky with Lamictal and slip imediately into depression after 2 days. I am now goung to reduce 100 mg every 2 weeks until my 400 mg is finished.
My vote Lamictal.
Posted by Cressida on July 25, 2004, at 5:06:16
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms » badmood, posted by sb417 on July 25, 2004, at 1:10:23
"I would say that Effexor and Paxil are probably the worst. I believe this means they are addictive, much more addictive than most of the benzodiazapines and stimulants"
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Is Paxil dependence a larger concern for clinicians than dependence on Dexedrine? I believe the addictive potential is greater for the benzodiazapines and especially the stimulants. Stimulants have desirable and undesirable properties that make them addictive.
The stimulants have a rapid onset of action that produce an immediate change in consciousness or perception. Also, the substances feed the reward systems in the brain by *primarily* acting on dopaminergic systems. Paxil and Effexor don't exert an effect on dopamine.
The symptoms of psychological withdrawal following substance use account for the undesirable properties that make them addictive. Avoid the lows, maintain the highs. Stimulants are classified as a Schedule II Controlled Substance. They are closely regulated by the government and DEA. Anyway, that's my two cents. I wonder how chemist or someone else would respond?
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2004, at 7:12:29
In reply to Re: the WORST withdrawal (what-would-chemist-say?), posted by Cressida on July 25, 2004, at 5:06:16
Posted by Camille Dumont on July 25, 2004, at 13:25:09
In reply to Re: LAMICTAL is my vote, posted by WAKI on July 25, 2004, at 5:05:48
> Interesting to hear Effexor and/or paxil. Both Effexor and Paxil I was able to quit cold turkey with no with drawl.
>
> I have tried to cold turky with Lamictal and slip imediately into depression after 2 days. I am now goung to reduce 100 mg every 2 weeks until my 400 mg is finished.
>
> My vote Lamictal.I guess it depends on personnal experience, I mean most of us haven't tried "most" of ADs out there ... I've never taken Lamictal .. but it sounds pretty nasty.
Posted by chemist on July 25, 2004, at 13:41:40
In reply to Re: the WORST withdrawal (what-would-chemist-say?), posted by Cressida on July 25, 2004, at 5:06:16
hello there, chemist here....i would say that i agree with Cressida 100%....all the best, chemist
> "I would say that Effexor and Paxil are probably the worst. I believe this means they are addictive, much more addictive than most of the benzodiazapines and stimulants"
>
> *********************
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> Is Paxil dependence a larger concern for clinicians than dependence on Dexedrine? I believe the addictive potential is greater for the benzodiazapines and especially the stimulants. Stimulants have desirable and undesirable properties that make them addictive.
>
> The stimulants have a rapid onset of action that produce an immediate change in consciousness or perception. Also, the substances feed the reward systems in the brain by *primarily* acting on dopaminergic systems. Paxil and Effexor don't exert an effect on dopamine.
>
> The symptoms of psychological withdrawal following substance use account for the undesirable properties that make them addictive. Avoid the lows, maintain the highs. Stimulants are classified as a Schedule II Controlled Substance. They are closely regulated by the government and DEA. Anyway, that's my two cents. I wonder how chemist or someone else would respond?
Posted by rolie12 on July 25, 2004, at 19:22:16
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
From my personal experience, EFFEXOR! I have never had such a withdrawal from any medication that I can remember. I was on 300 mg/day, then went to 150 mg for a day and quit. My pdoc told me to do two days at 150 mg, but what would it matter???? I quit taking it due to the electrical shock feeling I was getting. Thought it was from Wellbutrin, which I was taking with Effexor, but the shocks continued. Called my MD to get a second opinion and they think I was having an allergic reaction to Effexor. Since last Thursday, I have been extremely sick, flu symptoms, still having electrical zings, but not as intense. Today is the first day I have not vomited. I have been extremley tired, wicked dreams. I will be glad when it's all over and I am back to my "normal" self, or whatever that is!
Posted by rolie12 on July 25, 2004, at 19:26:23
In reply to Re: the WORST withdrawal (what-would-chemist-say?) » Cressida, posted by chemist on July 25, 2004, at 13:41:40
I am not a chemist, but would agree Effexor is the worse considering I am going through withdrawal right now and it is awful! Never had a reaction like this before!
> hello there, chemist here....i would say that i agree with Cressida 100%....all the best, chemist
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> > "I would say that Effexor and Paxil are probably the worst. I believe this means they are addictive, much more addictive than most of the benzodiazapines and stimulants"
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> > *********************
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> > Is Paxil dependence a larger concern for clinicians than dependence on Dexedrine? I believe the addictive potential is greater for the benzodiazapines and especially the stimulants. Stimulants have desirable and undesirable properties that make them addictive.
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> > The stimulants have a rapid onset of action that produce an immediate change in consciousness or perception. Also, the substances feed the reward systems in the brain by *primarily* acting on dopaminergic systems. Paxil and Effexor don't exert an effect on dopamine.
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> > The symptoms of psychological withdrawal following substance use account for the undesirable properties that make them addictive. Avoid the lows, maintain the highs. Stimulants are classified as a Schedule II Controlled Substance. They are closely regulated by the government and DEA. Anyway, that's my two cents. I wonder how chemist or someone else would respond?
>
Posted by theo on July 25, 2004, at 23:02:18
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
Posted by ravenstorm on July 25, 2004, at 23:31:13
In reply to Effexor XR (nm), posted by theo on July 25, 2004, at 23:02:18
Posted by ST on July 25, 2004, at 23:46:12
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
At one point or another in my life I have gone off:
Welbutrin
Prozac
Serzone
Celexa
Effexor
DepakoteEffexor was by far the harshest! I had to taper very, very slowly. I got down to chipping off bits of the tablet to stave off feelings of nausea and those electric brain shock feelings!
I just recently tapered off Serzone and I was so surprised that it was so difficult. It took a month and a half of slowly tapering. The usual symptoms: nausea, dizziness, electric "shock" type feelings, light-headedness, headaches....YUK
Sarah
Posted by Nohope on July 26, 2004, at 3:54:42
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Posted by Sad Panda on July 26, 2004, at 11:14:54
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
> I'm talking anything, what really is the worst med. of all time with the worst withdrawl symptoms.
>
> Paxil?
>
> Nembutal? ???
>
> Xanax?
>
> ?????
>
> Well someone's got to know.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>Withdrawl from Nembutal addiction would be tough. It also can be lethal due to rebound seizures, etc. Xanax withdrawl can have the same sort of problems, but not as lethal. Paxil & Effexor might cause a lot of pain, especially if you go cold turkey, but there is no chance that it's going to kill you like Barb or Benzo withdrawl.
Cheers,
Panda.
Posted by TheOutsider on July 26, 2004, at 16:34:39
In reply to Nembutal, posted by Sad Panda on July 26, 2004, at 11:14:54
q
Posted by cpallen79 on July 26, 2004, at 16:44:52
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms » badmood, posted by sb417 on July 25, 2004, at 1:10:23
Effexor w/d was excrutiating, I have to agree... VERY unpleasant.
> I'm not absolutely certain, but after several years of reading hundreds of posts here and elsewhere, as well as reading many journal articles, I would say that Effexor and Paxil are probably the worst. I believe this means they are addictive, much more addictive than most of the benzodiazapines and stimulants we discuss here.
Posted by WAKI on July 28, 2004, at 12:02:47
In reply to Re: What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by rolie12 on July 25, 2004, at 19:22:16
Badmood,
Thanks for the discription of the electrical shock.
This may sound sort of ignorant but I have been unable to describe that feeling for 3 years.
I always describe it as a "buzzing feeling" in which I know none of my doctors ever understood it.
The electrical shock is exactly what certain meds feels like to me and now I can describe it!
Hats off to you my friend!
Posted by J. Backer on July 29, 2004, at 15:31:32
In reply to What is the med. with the WORST withdrawl symptoms, posted by badmood on July 24, 2004, at 18:31:06
Methadone hands down
stays in your system like 24-72 hours at a time and your body gets addicted and dependant very fast. the withdrawl i had from methadone was worse then heroin.
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