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Posted by CareBear04 on February 12, 2004, at 19:06:30
Can psych meds cause liver problems? I've been bruising really easily, so I was referred to a doctor to be cleared for this problem. My liver and clotting tests were too high, so now I have to see a specialist. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm on a ton of meds. Could this be why? If someone knows, please let me know. Thanks!
Posted by EscherDementian on February 13, 2004, at 2:35:45
In reply to liver problems, posted by CareBear04 on February 12, 2004, at 19:06:30
Bruising ~very~ easily, a compromised liver, and the neccesity for many meds from time to time has been a years long journey for me, too, just as you might be beginning, CB04.
Althought we are each of us different and may have many different complexities resulting in this bruising/liver/meds "red flag", i feel i just have to speak up here with my own (not-always-so-humble)IMHO, and share the simple results and remedy that i am almost embarassed to admit hadn't dawned on me until i'd spent years of my life through many different MD & Liver Specialists & appointments & DXs & medications & thousand$ of dollar$....
to finally *click* together what a highpriced and famous PhD.ND(Natureopath) directed me to do, with something my G'ma had been telling me all along : "Oh Honey, it has nothing to do with your being redhaired and whiteskinned, or even that you were jaundiced when you were born~ you just have to EAT MORE ORANGES! Strawberries, red bell peppers, honest limes/lemon-aides, water water water, and raw spinach, child! and an ORANGE a day for you! a REAL one".
...finally it *clicked* when the ND quite seriously said (yet a smile in her eyes) "Yes, you have this liver-life-challenge, and yes, there will be some pharmaceudicals we cannot substitute, but ....Vitamin C in real raw food~ organic~ the juiciest the better~ REAL fruits & vegetables with the highest contents of Vitamin C~ DAILY~ will do even more for you than your suppliments working alone".i used to bruise if someone looked at me with their "stink-eye".
Since ND & G'ma's perscribing, i've resumed (as often as i feel well enough) deep-back packing/camping and Aikido -and tumbling with kindergarteners- with rare and faster healing bruising than i've had in a decade or _two_.
Still i am forbidden to take Tylenol/acetaminophen & must insist with extremely obnoxious confrontational reminders sometimes (*sigh*) with new MDs (it depends on them, really, but that's why they make the BigBuck$, isn't it?) to do their homework/research regarding any/all new RXs proposed... but my liver enzymes,etc. testing done annually continues to present better than the last year consistantly.SO to make this very long & late-night sharing's conclusion, CB04 :
Yes,
SOME 'psych meds' can challenge one's liver. If your liver and health habits are functionally strong, you'll cope with it in a balance that you and your RXing Pdoc are honouring with wisdom and skill.
Yes,
Bruising can be an initial mild beginning sign that your body is asking you for something you might be forgetting, or for something ~natural~ it needs more of.
Yes,
I have experienced what you describe in your post, and do hereby offer this disclaimer that i don't even play any of the many kinds of proffessional MD., PhD, ND, or even Grandmas on TV or in Online Internet postings,
but my experience and long journey down the road i think i understand you're describing, compels me to embarass myself by telling you my story and very ~very~ simple natural remedy that i would suggest you give a month's try.
Duplicating myself in sleepy-eyed triplicate,
EscherP.S.
Can you get available to you a formula made by 'Eclectic Institute' called "Vita Lipotropic" ?
Posted by Sebastian on February 13, 2004, at 23:27:14
In reply to liver problems, posted by CareBear04 on February 12, 2004, at 19:06:30
I think it is definitly posible. They warn about liver problems on the prescribing info of most meds. They are not always clear that a problem can occur from the med, but warn not to take if you have a liver problem. Some meds require liver tests while you take them.
Posted by Maxime on February 14, 2004, at 12:22:03
In reply to liver problems, posted by CareBear04 on February 12, 2004, at 19:06:30
Serzone was taken off the market in Canada for causing liver problems ... so yes, I guess they can.
You didn't mention the meds you are on. I would be interested to know.
Maxime
> Can psych meds cause liver problems? I've been bruising really easily, so I was referred to a doctor to be cleared for this problem. My liver and clotting tests were too high, so now I have to see a specialist. Has this happened to anyone else? I'm on a ton of meds. Could this be why? If someone knows, please let me know. Thanks!
Posted by Maxime on February 14, 2004, at 12:49:55
In reply to liver problems, posted by CareBear04 on February 12, 2004, at 19:06:30
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/132/9/738
I also found the above article that says that a danger of SSRI CAN BE hepatotoxicity.
Maxime
Posted by CareBear04 on February 14, 2004, at 15:14:50
In reply to Re: liver problems, posted by EscherDementian on February 13, 2004, at 2:35:45
Dear ED,
Thanks so much for sharing your input and experience. I was sort of hoping that I was wrong on the hunch that it's the meds causing the problems, but it's nice to know that I'm not the only one. I'll go through the day and find new, big bruises all over. I've been telling myself I'll start going to the gym, but I'm embarrassed to wear shorts because I don't want to explain the bruises. So Vitamin C helps? And what is "Vita Lipotropic"? Thanks so much for your help. ~CB
Posted by CareBear04 on February 14, 2004, at 15:18:31
In reply to Re: liver problems, posted by Maxime on February 14, 2004, at 12:49:55
Thanks for the article! let's see, I've been on all the SSRIs except for Prozac, Remeron, Effexor, Wellbutrin, all the atypical antipsychotics except for Geodon, Lithium, Depakote, Neurontin, Lamictal, Ativan, klonopin, Xanax, Halcion, Ambien, Trazodone... I think that's it. I've had this problem for awhile, so it could be any of those meds.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 16, 2004, at 18:18:54
In reply to Re: liver problems » EscherDementian, posted by CareBear04 on February 14, 2004, at 15:14:50
> So Vitamin C helps? And what is "Vita Lipotropic"?
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding alternative treatments to Psycho-Babble Alternative. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20040110/msgs/314240.html
Thanks,
Bob
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