Psycho-Babble Medication Thread 241485

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Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

I know "cure" is a pretty heavy word - but after being clincially depressed for 12 years, having been on almost every medication, having seen 10 psychiatrsits, having been through ECT and VNS implant, I just may have found MY "cure:" NARDIL.

After missing days and days of work, feeling overly exhausted, depressed and severely hopeless, I finally checked myself into the hospital. I saw a WONDERFUl psychiatrist who decided to give Nardil a try. I was nervous about it at first, but decided it would be for the better and I was eager to start feeling better.

I was in the hospital for 2 weeks - only for the need to wash out the Lexapro before starting the MAOI-Nardil. They did it in about a week as opposed to 2 weeks because Lexapro has s short half-life and becuase they could monitor me. So, I waited....

Finally they started me on Nardil. Of course, there are dietary restrictions - but they're hardly horrible as once made out to be. Basically, you have to watch out for anything fermented - aged cheeses (fresh mozzerella is fine) red wine, saurkraut, aged meats and anything rotten (darn!). There's more to it than that but those are the most important. Some say you cannot have pizza nor can you have chocolate - but that's bull. You do have to watch out for gourmet pizzas because they may have aged cheeses. Also, you hav eto watch out for certain OTC meds like Sudafed, etc.

Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal. I was feeling %100 better - although my depression wasn't 100% gone, I was feeling motivation and began talking more with the staf and other patients - I was being social instead of isolating myself. I saw the doctor that afternoon and told him about how well I was feeling. He said it was an excellent sign that I was responding so well so early in the treatment ( I'm at 30mg - they will boost it up to between 60-90 mg next week).

Since being out, I've started to do things around my house - things I'd ususally sit around and obsessivley think about and never actualy DO. I've started to see my friends, plan for future goals, see movies and have fun. I've started to "live" again.

By no means, however, am I 100% cured - but I am getting there. The Nardil has been a Godsend (and I'm not much of a religious person).

Unfortunately, 1 week after getting dischagred from the hospital, I was back in - this time for viral encephalitis (they thought I had the West Nile Virus!). So I was in for 4 days. however, I am feeling much better.

Anyway, for those who have treatment-resistant depression, talk to your doctor about an MAOI if you haven't already tried one. Of course, it may not work for everyone - but if you were to see the list of meds I've been on - you'd believe Nardil was/is the miracle for treatment-resistant depression.

thanks for listening,

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by djmmm on July 13, 2003, at 16:31:11

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

> I know "cure" is a pretty heavy word - but after being clincially depressed for 12 years, having been on almost every medication, having seen 10 psychiatrsits, having been through ECT and VNS implant, I just may have found MY "cure:" NARDIL.
>
> After missing days and days of work, feeling overly exhausted, depressed and severely hopeless, I finally checked myself into the hospital. I saw a WONDERFUl psychiatrist who decided to give Nardil a try. I was nervous about it at first, but decided it would be for the better and I was eager to start feeling better.
>
> I was in the hospital for 2 weeks - only for the need to wash out the Lexapro before starting the MAOI-Nardil. They did it in about a week as opposed to 2 weeks because Lexapro has s short half-life and becuase they could monitor me. So, I waited....
>
> Finally they started me on Nardil. Of course, there are dietary restrictions - but they're hardly horrible as once made out to be. Basically, you have to watch out for anything fermented - aged cheeses (fresh mozzerella is fine) red wine, saurkraut, aged meats and anything rotten (darn!). There's more to it than that but those are the most important. Some say you cannot have pizza nor can you have chocolate - but that's bull. You do have to watch out for gourmet pizzas because they may have aged cheeses. Also, you hav eto watch out for certain OTC meds like Sudafed, etc.
>
> Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal. I was feeling %100 better - although my depression wasn't 100% gone, I was feeling motivation and began talking more with the staf and other patients - I was being social instead of isolating myself. I saw the doctor that afternoon and told him about how well I was feeling. He said it was an excellent sign that I was responding so well so early in the treatment ( I'm at 30mg - they will boost it up to between 60-90 mg next week).
>
> Since being out, I've started to do things around my house - things I'd ususally sit around and obsessivley think about and never actualy DO. I've started to see my friends, plan for future goals, see movies and have fun. I've started to "live" again.
>
> By no means, however, am I 100% cured - but I am getting there. The Nardil has been a Godsend (and I'm not much of a religious person).
>
> Unfortunately, 1 week after getting dischagred from the hospital, I was back in - this time for viral encephalitis (they thought I had the West Nile Virus!). So I was in for 4 days. however, I am feeling much better.
>
> Anyway, for those who have treatment-resistant depression, talk to your doctor about an MAOI if you haven't already tried one. Of course, it may not work for everyone - but if you were to see the list of meds I've been on - you'd believe Nardil was/is the miracle for treatment-resistant depression.
>
> thanks for listening,
>
> Jerry :-)
>

Another Nardil success, Im happy for you...a widly underused and extremely potent antidepressent, it cured my social phobia symptoms almost immediately.

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by SLS on July 13, 2003, at 16:34:23

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05


> Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal.

> I've started to "live" again.


Yay!

Good luck and stay well!


- Scott

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by cosis on July 13, 2003, at 17:40:14

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

> I know "cure" is a pretty heavy word - but after being clincially depressed for 12 years, having been on almost every medication, having seen 10 psychiatrsits, having been through ECT and VNS implant, I just may have found MY "cure:" NARDIL.
>
> After missing days and days of work, feeling overly exhausted, depressed and severely hopeless, I finally checked myself into the hospital. I saw a WONDERFUl psychiatrist who decided to give Nardil a try. I was nervous about it at first, but decided it would be for the better and I was eager to start feeling better.
>
> I was in the hospital for 2 weeks - only for the need to wash out the Lexapro before starting the MAOI-Nardil. They did it in about a week as opposed to 2 weeks because Lexapro has s short half-life and becuase they could monitor me. So, I waited....
>
> Finally they started me on Nardil. Of course, there are dietary restrictions - but they're hardly horrible as once made out to be. Basically, you have to watch out for anything fermented - aged cheeses (fresh mozzerella is fine) red wine, saurkraut, aged meats and anything rotten (darn!). There's more to it than that but those are the most important. Some say you cannot have pizza nor can you have chocolate - but that's bull. You do have to watch out for gourmet pizzas because they may have aged cheeses. Also, you hav eto watch out for certain OTC meds like Sudafed, etc.
>
> Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal. I was feeling %100 better - although my depression wasn't 100% gone, I was feeling motivation and began talking more with the staf and other patients - I was being social instead of isolating myself. I saw the doctor that afternoon and told him about how well I was feeling. He said it was an excellent sign that I was responding so well so early in the treatment ( I'm at 30mg - they will boost it up to between 60-90 mg next week).
>
> Since being out, I've started to do things around my house - things I'd ususally sit around and obsessivley think about and never actualy DO. I've started to see my friends, plan for future goals, see movies and have fun. I've started to "live" again.
>
> By no means, however, am I 100% cured - but I am getting there. The Nardil has been a Godsend (and I'm not much of a religious person).
>
> Unfortunately, 1 week after getting dischagred from the hospital, I was back in - this time for viral encephalitis (they thought I had the West Nile Virus!). So I was in for 4 days. however, I am feeling much better.
>
> Anyway, for those who have treatment-resistant depression, talk to your doctor about an MAOI if you haven't already tried one. Of course, it may not work for everyone - but if you were to see the list of meds I've been on - you'd believe Nardil was/is the miracle for treatment-resistant depression.
>
> thanks for listening,
>
> Jerry :-)
>

Nardil is the best EVER!

 

Just another Nardil miracle!!!! NARDIL= THE BEST! (nm)

Posted by ace on July 13, 2003, at 18:40:00

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by polarbear206 on July 13, 2003, at 21:12:18

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

> I know "cure" is a pretty heavy word - but after being clincially depressed for 12 years, having been on almost every medication, having seen 10 psychiatrsits, having been through ECT and VNS implant, I just may have found MY "cure:" NARDIL.
>
> After missing days and days of work, feeling overly exhausted, depressed and severely hopeless, I finally checked myself into the hospital. I saw a WONDERFUl psychiatrist who decided to give Nardil a try. I was nervous about it at first, but decided it would be for the better and I was eager to start feeling better.
>
> I was in the hospital for 2 weeks - only for the need to wash out the Lexapro before starting the MAOI-Nardil. They did it in about a week as opposed to 2 weeks because Lexapro has s short half-life and becuase they could monitor me. So, I waited....
>
> Finally they started me on Nardil. Of course, there are dietary restrictions - but they're hardly horrible as once made out to be. Basically, you have to watch out for anything fermented - aged cheeses (fresh mozzerella is fine) red wine, saurkraut, aged meats and anything rotten (darn!). There's more to it than that but those are the most important. Some say you cannot have pizza nor can you have chocolate - but that's bull. You do have to watch out for gourmet pizzas because they may have aged cheeses. Also, you hav eto watch out for certain OTC meds like Sudafed, etc.
>
> Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal. I was feeling %100 better - although my depression wasn't 100% gone, I was feeling motivation and began talking more with the staf and other patients - I was being social instead of isolating myself. I saw the doctor that afternoon and told him about how well I was feeling. He said it was an excellent sign that I was responding so well so early in the treatment ( I'm at 30mg - they will boost it up to between 60-90 mg next week).
>
> Since being out, I've started to do things around my house - things I'd ususally sit around and obsessivley think about and never actualy DO. I've started to see my friends, plan for future goals, see movies and have fun. I've started to "live" again.
>
> By no means, however, am I 100% cured - but I am getting there. The Nardil has been a Godsend (and I'm not much of a religious person).
>
> Unfortunately, 1 week after getting dischagred from the hospital, I was back in - this time for viral encephalitis (they thought I had the West Nile Virus!). So I was in for 4 days. however, I am feeling much better.
>
> Anyway, for those who have treatment-resistant depression, talk to your doctor about an MAOI if you haven't already tried one. Of course, it may not work for everyone - but if you were to see the list of meds I've been on - you'd believe Nardil was/is the miracle for treatment-resistant depression.
>
> thanks for listening,
>
> Jerry :-)
>

Jerry,


Your post made me smile. You just made my mind up to give Nardil a fair trial. I went on Parnate in May and had to stop due the return of anxiety. I was aware of Nardil being better for anxiety but wanted to try Parnate first because the side effects were not as bad (weight gain and sexual)
I had an immediate response. These are truely potent antidepressants. I'll be seeing my pdoc in early August. Please keep us up to date with your progress. How are you tolerating the side effects ? I'm on a ssri/tricyclic combo. It can't be any worse then this I hope!

Good luck and stay happy!

Laura

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by Ed on July 13, 2003, at 21:29:44

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by polarbear206 on July 13, 2003, at 21:12:18

Nardil relieved me of my atypical depression. Anybody who has chronic depression/anxiety who has not had any luck with more conventional ADs owes it to him/herself to try it. Incidentally, Parnate, Marplan and moclobemide did NOT work for me, so be sure to try Nardil even if any of those haven't worked for you.

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 23:08:23

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by polarbear206 on July 13, 2003, at 21:12:18

Posted by polarbear206 on July 13:

> Jerry,
>
>
> Your post made me smile. You just made my mind up to give Nardil a fair trial. I went on Parnate in May and had to stop due the return of anxiety. I was aware of Nardil being better for anxiety but wanted to try Parnate first because the side effects were not as bad (weight gain and sexual)
> I had an immediate response. These are truely potent antidepressants. I'll be seeing my pdoc in early August. Please keep us up to date with your progress. How are you tolerating the side effects ? I'm on a ssri/tricyclic combo. It can't be any worse then this I hope!
>
> Good luck and stay happy!
>
> Laura

I tried Parnate a long time ago but was only on it for 10 days because my anxiety got worse and I had a svere panic attack. So far the Nardil has INCREASED my sex drive and has NOT increased my appetite. Th eonly side effects I noticed during the very start of the Nardil were irritability, some minor restlessness and headache. These went away completely after 3-4 days.

I can't stress enough how much Nardil has helped me. I hope it will work for you as well. I will keep you posted!

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. polarbear206

Posted by Jack Smith on July 14, 2003, at 12:08:10

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by polarbear206 on July 13, 2003, at 21:12:18

> went on Parnate in May and had to stop due the return of anxiety.
> I had an immediate response. These are truely potent antidepressants.

Laura,

Are you saying that Parnate pooped out? Or could you just not handle the anxiety side effects?

JACK

 

Jerry, Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay:

Posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 15:22:35

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

Jerry, it's great to hear that you are feeling so well!
The 'diet thing' is kind of 'overblown' perhaps? With sooooo many foods today containing hidden ingredients, how would someone know if they were eating something that contained, say, aged cheese(not just talking about store-bought foods that have labels, but about all the foods you eat elsewhere....I can think of MANY examples where cheeses are added to foods in which you would never know they were even there.....I know Nardil is awesome (I took it for a short time many years ago), just wondering why it's been around for eons and yet decades and decades pass and you STILL have the dietary restriction crap.....do they EVER improve these drugs....400 years from now folks on Nardil will still have the same dietary restrictions.....seems like every other field makes constant innovations, improvements except these psyche meds....10,000 years from now these meds will STILL cause your pecker not to work.....if everything else changed as pitifully slow as these psych meds did, we'd still be flying in Orville and Wilbur Wright's plane, driving in Henry Ford's auto, and saying that the World was flat.......just wondering how these meds can be around for lifetimes and yet no improvements are made in the meds....is there at least anything one could take (w/ Nardil) that would let you eat foods without wondering if you'd have to visit the ER afterwards....just one example I gave in the past (though you could think of endless examples) is this spaghetti dinner that I often go to w/ my family...just recently found out (when talking to someone who works there about their recipe) that they add various cheeses which go into the SAUCE of the spaghetti...so if you were taking Nardil and happened to go to this place, you'd be thinking, "well, I can't put cheese on my spaghetti and I'll be fine" never knowing that cheeses were ALREADY mixed into the sauce....I can think of so many examples where foods contain ingredients that you would never suspect....even store-bought foods contain hidden ingredients.......for someone who eats at home ALL THE TIME and prepares all of their own meals, that would make things much easier but I eat out all the time (work, with friends, picnics, outings, anywhere and everywhere----there is no way to know what is in all those foods...I would love to hang out with someone taking an MAOI for any long period of time and see how they can go everywhere and eat at restaurants, malls, work, ANYWHERE, without knowing what's in the food they're eating.....can't even imagine going to a picnic, dinner, friend's house, etc. and having to analyze every ingredient in a meal every time I ate....does Nardil come w/ an "Agoraphobic Diet', lol, just stay at home and eat only the same foods that you KNOW the ingredients of....again, would just love to know someone on Nardil and take them to a restaurant buffet or tons of other places (like that spaghetti dinner place for just one example) and watch how they decide what foods they can and cannot eat when there are so many foods that contain hidden ingredients.....and that's just foods, aren't there many other things (meds, OTC things you'd commonly buy at the store for example, supps, that can't be taken w/ Nardil........would LOVE to take Nardil if it weren't for all this crap.....500 years from now the same restrictions will surely apply, lol. I'm not picking on Nardil as I already know its awesome benefits, just wondering why these meds never see innovations/improvements after EONS of existence.......the best anti-dep is still a Smith & Wesson.....gotta run, haven't been posting much lately, will check back soon. P.S. Ace, you STILL R-U-L-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by denise528 on July 14, 2003, at 15:43:17

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

Hi Jerry,

I'm really pleased for you, just wondered why it took so long before you tried it. After all you had ECT and VNS.

By the way, did they ever get your VNS settings up to a therapeutic level dispite the asthma?

Denise

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?

Posted by cosis on July 14, 2003, at 15:48:46

In reply to Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by jerrympls on July 13, 2003, at 15:31:05

> I know "cure" is a pretty heavy word - but after being clincially depressed for 12 years, having been on almost every medication, having seen 10 psychiatrsits, having been through ECT and VNS implant, I just may have found MY "cure:" NARDIL.
>
> After missing days and days of work, feeling overly exhausted, depressed and severely hopeless, I finally checked myself into the hospital. I saw a WONDERFUl psychiatrist who decided to give Nardil a try. I was nervous about it at first, but decided it would be for the better and I was eager to start feeling better.
>
> I was in the hospital for 2 weeks - only for the need to wash out the Lexapro before starting the MAOI-Nardil. They did it in about a week as opposed to 2 weeks because Lexapro has s short half-life and becuase they could monitor me. So, I waited....
>
> Finally they started me on Nardil. Of course, there are dietary restrictions - but they're hardly horrible as once made out to be. Basically, you have to watch out for anything fermented - aged cheeses (fresh mozzerella is fine) red wine, saurkraut, aged meats and anything rotten (darn!). There's more to it than that but those are the most important. Some say you cannot have pizza nor can you have chocolate - but that's bull. You do have to watch out for gourmet pizzas because they may have aged cheeses. Also, you hav eto watch out for certain OTC meds like Sudafed, etc.
>
> Anyway, they started the Nardil on a Thursday and by Monday my life had changed to somthing very close to "normal" - a GOOD normal. I was feeling %100 better - although my depression wasn't 100% gone, I was feeling motivation and began talking more with the staf and other patients - I was being social instead of isolating myself. I saw the doctor that afternoon and told him about how well I was feeling. He said it was an excellent sign that I was responding so well so early in the treatment ( I'm at 30mg - they will boost it up to between 60-90 mg next week).
>
> Since being out, I've started to do things around my house - things I'd ususally sit around and obsessivley think about and never actualy DO. I've started to see my friends, plan for future goals, see movies and have fun. I've started to "live" again.
>
> By no means, however, am I 100% cured - but I am getting there. The Nardil has been a Godsend (and I'm not much of a religious person).
>
> Unfortunately, 1 week after getting dischagred from the hospital, I was back in - this time for viral encephalitis (they thought I had the West Nile Virus!). So I was in for 4 days. however, I am feeling much better.
>
> Anyway, for those who have treatment-resistant depression, talk to your doctor about an MAOI if you haven't already tried one. Of course, it may not work for everyone - but if you were to see the list of meds I've been on - you'd believe Nardil was/is the miracle for treatment-resistant depression.
>
> thanks for listening,
>
> Jerry :-)
>

Incase I forgot to mention, Nardil is the BEST EVER!

 

Re: Jerry, Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: McPac

Posted by jerrympls on July 14, 2003, at 19:19:34

In reply to Jerry, Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: , posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 15:22:35

> Jerry, it's great to hear that you are feeling so well!
> The 'diet thing' is kind of 'overblown' perhaps? With sooooo many foods today containing hidden ingredients, how would someone know if they were eating something that contained, say, aged cheese(not just talking about store-bought foods that have labels, but about all the foods you eat elsewhere....I can think of MANY examples where cheeses are added to foods in which you would never know they were even there.....I know Nardil is awesome (I took it for a short time many years ago), just wondering why it's been around for eons and yet decades and decades pass and you STILL have the dietary restriction crap.....do they EVER improve these drugs....400 years from now folks on Nardil will still have the same dietary restrictions.....seems like every other field makes constant innovations, improvements except these psyche meds....10,000 years from now these meds will STILL cause your pecker not to work.....if everything else changed as pitifully slow as these psych meds did, we'd still be flying in Orville and Wilbur Wright's plane, driving in Henry Ford's auto, and saying that the World was flat.......just wondering how these meds can be around for lifetimes and yet no improvements are made in the meds....is there at least anything one could take (w/ Nardil) that would let you eat foods without wondering if you'd have to visit the ER afterwards....just one example I gave in the past (though you could think of endless examples) is this spaghetti dinner that I often go to w/ my family...just recently found out (when talking to someone who works there about their recipe) that they add various cheeses which go into the SAUCE of the spaghetti...so if you were taking Nardil and happened to go to this place, you'd be thinking, "well, I can't put cheese on my spaghetti and I'll be fine" never knowing that cheeses were ALREADY mixed into the sauce....I can think of so many examples where foods contain ingredients that you would never suspect....even store-bought foods contain hidden ingredients.......for someone who eats at home ALL THE TIME and prepares all of their own meals, that would make things much easier but I eat out all the time (work, with friends, picnics, outings, anywhere and everywhere----there is no way to know what is in all those foods...I would love to hang out with someone taking an MAOI for any long period of time and see how they can go everywhere and eat at restaurants, malls, work, ANYWHERE, without knowing what's in the food they're eating.....can't even imagine going to a picnic, dinner, friend's house, etc. and having to analyze every ingredient in a meal every time I ate....does Nardil come w/ an "Agoraphobic Diet', lol, just stay at home and eat only the same foods that you KNOW the ingredients of....again, would just love to know someone on Nardil and take them to a restaurant buffet or tons of other places (like that spaghetti dinner place for just one example) and watch how they decide what foods they can and cannot eat when there are so many foods that contain hidden ingredients.....and that's just foods, aren't there many other things (meds, OTC things you'd commonly buy at the store for example, supps, that can't be taken w/ Nardil........would LOVE to take Nardil if it weren't for all this crap.....500 years from now the same restrictions will surely apply, lol. I'm not picking on Nardil as I already know its awesome benefits, just wondering why these meds never see innovations/improvements after EONS of existence.......the best anti-dep is still a Smith & Wesson.....gotta run, haven't been posting much lately, will check back soon. P.S. Ace, you STILL R-U-L-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Whoa!! :-)

The dietary restrictions are very much inflated. The dreaded "cheese" effect only happens if you eat A LOT of aged cheese - especially cheddar. I've had lasagna, spaghetti, calzones, etc at restaurants and have avoided any hypertensive crisis. The OLD dietary restrictions used to say NO cheese, NO chocolate, NO caffeine, NO wine, NO beer, NO Yeast, NO raisins, etc etc. however, in the past 7 years the diet has been dramatically changed.

I have in front of me three research studies using special tyramine analysis processes to find out EXACTLY how much tyramine certain "restricted" foods actually contain. The results are in favor of LESS restriction.

For example:

"Refining the MAOI Diet: Tyramine Content of Pizzas and Soy Products" by Kenneth Shulman, MD and Scott Walker, MScPharm found using high-pressure liquid chromatography analysis of tyramine content that pizzas from large commercial outlets are SAFE with MAOIs. THey caution gourmet pizzas from restaurants that may contain other aged cheeses. Soybean products should be avoided and/or used with caution - especially soy sauce. However, aged Ramano cheese and feta cheese were foudn to have low tyramine content - 0.12mg and 0.173mg per serving. Anything around or above 6mg of tyramine consumed is likely to result in hypertensive crisis.

Another study by the two same people including David Gardner, BScPharm, found (using similar tyramine analysis) aged or cured meats (e.g. air-dried sausage), spoiled meat (oh darn!), sauerkraut, soy sauce, tap beer, and fava beans should be avoided. Domestic canned or bottled beer is ok if used in moderation. Basically, you want o avoid anything that has had plenty of time to FERMENT because that build up proteins that in turn build tyramine..

Finally, the third study "Tyramine Content of Previously restricted Foods in MAOI Diets" by Scott Walker, MScPHARM, Kenneth Shulman, MN, Sandra Tailor, PharmD and David Gardner, BScPHARM - found pepperoni to have low tyramine levels - .11mg per 30g serving. Soy Sauce had a VERY high tyramine content - 14.12mg per 30g serving as did ToFu (14.12mg) and 9 day-old aged chicken livers (63.84mg). Spoiled fruits including raspberries that have either been sitting out or refrigerated for 4 days along with old bananas also contained higher levels of tyramine - 1mg per 30mg serving and 2.58mg per 30mg serving. They recommend NOT to eat the banana skins (oh darn!!)

So as you can see, the diet - while very important and critical to follow - is hardly "resrictive." I'd say you have to look out more for OTC meds containg dextromethorphan (cough suppressant in Robotussin), sudafed, and any OTC diet pills. You also CANNOT be given DEMEROL (meperidine) - a narcotic pain reliver in the same class as morphine. Morphine is ok - but you must be cautious with other narcotic pain relivers. These can cause serious reactions leading to severe hypertensive ( high blood pressure) crisis. Symptoms indclude severe, disabling headache, nausea, shortness of breath, etc. A visit to the ER is th eonly way to get one's blood pressure back to normal.

So far, I have eaten pizza with fresh cheddar & mozzerella & pepperoni, lite american beer, calzones, lasagna (beef and vegetarian), chocolate, cafffeine and have had NO reaction what so ever. However, this is ME. Some others may be more susceptible to the amounts of tyramine. So I'm not saying everyone can eat what I have eaten and have no reaction. But I thought I'd help de-worry y'all about the infamous "cheese" reactions and other dietary "restrictions."

I'd be happy to make copies of these research articles and send them to you i fyou send me a self-addressed stamp envelope with three 37cent stamps on the envelope. Email me and I will give you my mailing address if you are interested.

Again - I AM NO DOCTOR NOR DO I PLAY ONE ON THE INTERNET. These are MY EXPERIENCES - except for the excerpts from the articles. BTW- the articles were published in 1996 in the Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology.

Anyway, just something to ponder. The positive of Nardil FAR outweigh the negative "restrictions."

Hope this helps....

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..? denise528

Posted by jerrympls on July 14, 2003, at 19:21:42

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..?, posted by denise528 on July 14, 2003, at 15:43:17

> Hi Jerry,
>
> I'm really pleased for you, just wondered why it took so long before you tried it. After all you had ECT and VNS.
>
> By the way, did they ever get your VNS settings up to a therapeutic level dispite the asthma?
>
> Denise

Hi Denise -

No, the VNS has been turned off and - FOR ME - has been somewhat of a failure. I plan to have tii removed in a month or 2. I knew that it maynot work going into the study. I'm just glad I found a doctor not afraid to prescribe an MAOI. nardil really works. REALLY.

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..

Posted by polarbear206 on July 14, 2003, at 21:22:18

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. polarbear206, posted by Jack Smith on July 14, 2003, at 12:08:10

> > went on Parnate in May and had to stop due the return of anxiety.
> > I had an immediate response. These are truely potent antidepressants.
>
> Laura,
>
> Are you saying that Parnate pooped out? Or could you just not handle the anxiety side effects?
>
> JACK


Jack,


I forgot to mention in my last post that I also had to stop due a skin allergic reaction. The itching and irritation was very intense. I only got up to 20mg and had to stop. I also had anxiety that reminded me of how I felt before going in the hospital 14 years ago. It was pretty scarey. I'm anxious to give Nardil a try. What was so great was the fact that I felt so full of energy and wanting to do so many things. Felt like a social butterfly for awhile


Laura

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..

Posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:42:27

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.., posted by polarbear206 on July 14, 2003, at 21:22:18

Still sounds like too much baloney for me....although I'd definitely take it if I had no other choices....."A visit to the ER is the only way to get one's blood pressure back to normal".

Just ONE trip to the ER for me and I would get p'd off and definitely throw the stuff in the toilet, but that's just me......very, very glad you're feeling better dude....I remember when you posted about going to that crummy twit doc that made you feel hopeless (the one w/ the skank secretary).......isn't it great to now have something that works well for you...you should pay that loser doc a visit and let him know that a REAL doc has you feeling just fine......keep taking the Nardil dude, Nardil DOES rule.....who knows, I may someday try it again myself....later!!!!

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..

Posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:54:18

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.., posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:42:27

Just to clarify, it is NOT the fact that I would have to lay off certain foods that I would care about at all.....it's the fact that I couldn't stand wondering every time I ate stuff if there was some ingredient in something that was going to end in my going to the ER....the FIRST time that I would ever be somewhere and ever got the high blood pressure reaction and had to say "excuse me everybody but I have to leave right away and go to the emergency room"..that would simply be the LAST time I'd ever take the stuff....that's just me.

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. McPac

Posted by jerrympls on July 15, 2003, at 2:08:31

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.., posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:42:27

> Still sounds like too much baloney for me....although I'd definitely take it if I had no other choices....."A visit to the ER is the only way to get one's blood pressure back to normal".
>
> Just ONE trip to the ER for me and I would get p'd off and definitely throw the stuff in the toilet, but that's just me......very, very glad you're feeling better dude....I remember when you posted about going to that crummy twit doc that made you feel hopeless (the one w/ the skank secretary).......isn't it great to now have something that works well for you...you should pay that loser doc a visit and let him know that a REAL doc has you feeling just fine......keep taking the Nardil dude, Nardil DOES rule.....who knows, I may someday try it again myself....later!!!!

Hey thanks for the support! I should emphasize that Nardil sounds much worse than it actaully is - honestly. It has so far INCREASED my sex drive along with many other positive things. As far as going to the hospital for the hyptertensive crisis - that's only for SEVERE cases. Usually a good pdoc prescribes some meds to have on hand that lower your blood pressure in case you accidentally ate something that you shouldn't have. Remember, un less you're ahuge fan of banana peels and sauerkraut and smoked sausage, you shouldn't have any problems. Again, the positives of Nardil FAR FAR FAR outweigh the negative. I too was nervous about all the dietary restrictions - but they REALLY are not as bad as you may think.

Anyway, maybe someday you'll find the right combo. The pdoc that put me on Nardil was going to try high doses of Effexor with Lithium - another combination that has worked extremely well with his treatment-resistant folks. So, perhaps that is an option.

I wish you the best and thank you again for your support!! I appreciate it! Feel free to post anymore questions and/or email me directly at jerrympls@mn.rr.com.

Thanks!!

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. McPac

Posted by jerrympls on July 15, 2003, at 2:15:43

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.., posted by McPac on July 14, 2003, at 22:54:18

> Just to clarify, it is NOT the fact that I would have to lay off certain foods that I would care about at all.....it's the fact that I couldn't stand wondering every time I ate stuff if there was some ingredient in something that was going to end in my going to the ER....the FIRST time that I would ever be somewhere and ever got the high blood pressure reaction and had to say "excuse me everybody but I have to leave right away and go to the emergency room"..that would simply be the LAST time I'd ever take the stuff....that's just me.

I TOTALLY emphasize with you on this one. However, you would only have to watch out for aged cheeses - like blue cheese, etc. Cheesburgers are NOT going to send you to the hospital. And like I said in my previous post, a good pdoc usually gives you a med to lower your blood pressure in case you accidentally ate a big bowl of sauerkraut or have a big smoked sausage w/ aged cheddar cheese. Honeslty - it's not as bad as one would think. But I do hear what you're saying as I too would be worried about being out with friends aat a restaurant and all the sudden had to excuse myself to go to the ER! MAOI's are usually last choice meds. Have you ever tried a tricyclic w/ Lithium or Effexor w/ Lithium? Those are both effective combos my pdoc said work extrememly well for TR depressions.

I wish you well....and I hope I've helped somewhat! Again - thank you for you posts!

Jerry :-)

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure..

Posted by Jack Smith on July 15, 2003, at 13:40:43

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. McPac, posted by jerrympls on July 15, 2003, at 2:08:31

> you should pay that loser doc a visit and let him know that a REAL doc has you feeling just fine.....

I was thinking the same thing. Weren't you psychiatry's "dirty little secret?" Nope. That psychiatrist is psychiatry's "dirty little secret"--most of them are incompetent. Imagine, this doc said you have no hope and you hadn't even tried one of the oldest, most effective drug around. While you are writing a letter regarding the gas leak, write a letter to the American Psychiatric Ass'n regarding that doc. I would be happy to draft it for you in legalese if you wish . . .

JACK

 

Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.. Jack Smith

Posted by jerrympls on July 15, 2003, at 18:49:39

In reply to Re: Just out of 2 week hosp. stay: Nardil = cure.., posted by Jack Smith on July 15, 2003, at 13:40:43

> > you should pay that loser doc a visit and let him know that a REAL doc has you feeling just fine.....
>
> I was thinking the same thing. Weren't you psychiatry's "dirty little secret?" Nope. That psychiatrist is psychiatry's "dirty little secret"--most of them are incompetent. Imagine, this doc said you have no hope and you hadn't even tried one of the oldest, most effective drug around. While you are writing a letter regarding the gas leak, write a letter to the American Psychiatric Ass'n regarding that doc. I would be happy to draft it for you in legalese if you wish . . .
>
> JACK

Hey Jack-

Yeah, I'm gonna write a letter to the incompetent doc who said I'd be better off dead. He really pisses me off and I do not stand for such incompetence.

As for the letter about the gas leak - I have no clue as to where to start. Are you really willing to help me draft something?? I'd GREATLY appreciate. Please email me directly at jerrympls@mn.rr.com.

Thanks!!!! And I'll keep you all posted!

Jerry


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