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Posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
I need a good night's sleep for once!!
Has anybody had any problem in using very low doses (0.625-1.25mg) of klonopin before bedtime for long-term sleep therapy?
Is there any next day withdrawal effect in just using the klonopin at night and not during the day? Will I have more daytime anxiety?
Ambien and Sonata don't work b/c of their short-half lives - they wake me up after about 4 hours.
And my psychiatrist says that there is a lot more abuse with ambien than with klonopin, is this true?
Posted by MelD on May 13, 2003, at 17:09:05
In reply to Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok?, posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
> I need a good night's sleep for once!!
>
> Has anybody had any problem in using very low doses (0.625-1.25mg) of klonopin before bedtime for long-term sleep therapy?
>
> Is there any next day withdrawal effect in just using the klonopin at night and not during the day? Will I have more daytime anxiety?
>
> Ambien and Sonata don't work b/c of their short-half lives - they wake me up after about 4 hours.
> And my psychiatrist says that there is a lot more abuse with ambien than with klonopin, is this true?
>
> I have used Klonopin for sleep for many, many years - between .275mg and .5mg per night. I have never experienced any daytime withdrawal or increased anxiety symptoms. It helps me fall asleep and lasts all night. The only problem i have ever had is drowsiness the next day after taking more than 1mg. I do not find it addictive, as i have gone periods without it with no problems and have not been tempted to abuse it.
Posted by serenity on May 13, 2003, at 22:51:10
In reply to Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok?, posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
> I need a good night's sleep for once!!
>
> Has anybody had any problem in using very low doses (0.625-1.25mg) of klonopin before bedtime for long-term sleep therapy?
>
> Is there any next day withdrawal effect in just using the klonopin at night and not during the day? Will I have more daytime anxiety?
>
> Ambien and Sonata don't work b/c of their short-half lives - they wake me up after about 4 hours.
> And my psychiatrist says that there is a lot more abuse with ambien than with klonopin, is this true?
>
>Re:Klonopin I've used clonipin to sleep and got
a very good nites rest with it. It sometimes makes me tired the next day or just feel blah
but overall a very good med, butnow that I've started Effexor, I cant sleep for anything.
and no anxiety at all with klonopin it is prescribed for that alot lately. Good Luck
you should be fine.
Posted by Ritch on May 13, 2003, at 23:49:29
In reply to Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok?, posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
> I need a good night's sleep for once!!
>
> Has anybody had any problem in using very low doses (0.625-1.25mg) of klonopin before bedtime for long-term sleep therapy?
>
> Is there any next day withdrawal effect in just using the klonopin at night and not during the day? Will I have more daytime anxiety?
>
> Ambien and Sonata don't work b/c of their short-half lives - they wake me up after about 4 hours.
> And my psychiatrist says that there is a lot more abuse with ambien than with klonopin, is this true?
>
>
Sonata woke me up too early as well, and I generally don't have trouble getting to sleep-the main trouble is staying asleep. I've never tried Ambien. I've never had any trouble with withdrawal effects (next-day) from Klonopin. The biggest hassle I've found is avoiding meds/dosages during the day that tend to trigger/aggravate the insomnia from the getgo. I use Klonopin triple-use as an antimanic, antipanic, and hypnotic. It's also cheap.
Posted by noa on May 14, 2003, at 2:07:11
In reply to Re: Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok? » HOK, posted by Ritch on May 13, 2003, at 23:49:29
I have used it for sleep (sleep problems due to Effexor) in small doses, with no withdrawal or habituation. I tend to react strongly to sedating meds, though, so habituation leading to need for increased doses, or wanting to take it during the day is extremely low risk for me. I switched to ativan, though, because klonopin lasted a bit too long for me, and it was therefore hard to wake up in the morning.
Posted by TR on May 14, 2003, at 10:09:12
In reply to Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok?, posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
I think if you keep your nightly doses of Klonipin relatively low you shouldn't have problems with daytime anxiety or withdrawal. Have you tried Trazadone to sleep? I find that works better than anything else.
> I need a good night's sleep for once!!
>
> Has anybody had any problem in using very low doses (0.625-1.25mg) of klonopin before bedtime for long-term sleep therapy?
>
> Is there any next day withdrawal effect in just using the klonopin at night and not during the day? Will I have more daytime anxiety?
>
> Ambien and Sonata don't work b/c of their short-half lives - they wake me up after about 4 hours.
> And my psychiatrist says that there is a lot more abuse with ambien than with klonopin, is this true?
>
>
Posted by Ron Hill on May 14, 2003, at 10:21:58
In reply to Is Klonopin as a sleep med ok?, posted by HOK on May 13, 2003, at 15:52:40
HK,
> I need a good night's sleep for once!!
It's a little off-topic, but have you ever tried magnesium supplementation as a sleep aid? I take 800 or 1,000 mg (measured as magnesium) at bedtime. I currently use a combination of magnesium citrate and magnesium malate. It puts me to sleep and keeps me sleeping throughout the night (interrupted only by potty breaks, after which I go right back to sleep).
It may or may not work for you, but it might be worth a trial to find out.
-- Ron
Posted by fanni on May 14, 2003, at 15:19:17
In reply to Re: Magnesium as a sleep med? » HOK, posted by Ron Hill on May 14, 2003, at 10:21:58
dunno if it works for me for sleeping but its definitley brilliant for anyone who gets shite PMT where you feel really irritable!
Posted by HOK on May 14, 2003, at 18:06:42
In reply to Re: Magnesium great for pmt, posted by fanni on May 14, 2003, at 15:19:17
thanks to all who posted re: klonopin and sleep.
As for the magnesium, I've tried regular brand store Mg (250-750mg) and found it relaxing, but I think it played a part in increasing sleep disruption. Anybody else have this problem? I have tried experimenting with different dosages but no real success. Is magnesium citrate or the other formulations better for sleep?
Posted by johnj on May 15, 2003, at 17:07:50
In reply to Re: Magnesium great for pmt, posted by HOK on May 14, 2003, at 18:06:42
Hi HOK,
I loved the magnesium effect for relaxation and it quelled my temper. But, after 10 days it started causing sleep disruption. I read on the Mg website that this is called type II insomnia(if there is such a thing). The advice was to take your last dose of 400 mg of Mg AND 500 mg of Ca. I have gone down to about 50 mg of Mg plus some Ca and don't have a good effect anymore. I have had rebound insomnia and I am sad that the Mg didn't work out. It calmed me better than a benzo. I don't know if it matters what type you take. I took/take magnesium citrate. I am getting some benadryl tonight. What was the dose you took? I had fish oil cause sleep disruption too. Ever tried that? Don't know why, I wish someone could explain it to me. take care
johnj
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