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Posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 14:06:53
I just bought my 80 pills for $36 at Costco (Nature Made brand). Please tell me where to get a sublingual B12. (GNC?) Are you sure I need it with the Super B complex? And are you sure I don't absorb ANY of the B12 in that Super B complex? My mom says that's impossible--that you pee out the dye, not the whole vitamin (I don't think I believe her, but she is Mom the know-it-all, after all!), and that your body uses what it needs and gets rid of the rest.
the great bearded one : )>>
Posted by colin wallace on March 31, 2002, at 14:38:20
In reply to SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron, posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 14:06:53
Bearded One,
Personally, I take one multivitamin/codliver-oil
supplement, and one B complex vit. capsule daily.
Sublingual (particularly) B-vits offer superior absorption, but as I'm only taking a very small (200mg) dose of Sammy, I feel that the bog-standard B-vit pill form will probably serve its purpose just as well.But then again, I haven't really scoped out the comparative cost of sublinguals- if I find there's really not much in it, then I may buy some of the brand that Ron produces from his fertilizer recycling project...
I, on the other hand,still concentrate my efforts on trying to produce gold from base metal (when I'm not dabbling with the unifying principles of string theory and quantum mechanics).
Posted by IsoM on March 31, 2002, at 14:57:23
In reply to SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron, posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 14:06:53
Beire-dei, the bright yellow in your pee after taking B complex is from B2, riboflavin. Favins are a group of molecules that tend to have pigmentation. It's what gives the yellow colour. You'll notice in raw egg whites that there's a certain fluorescence to the albumen. It's a flavin in the white that gives it that colour too & heat destroys it when it gets cooked.
If you have any decent stomach acid, you'll be able to absorb B12. It's only a real problem with those who have very low stomach acid & pernicious anemia (they lack the intrinsic factor necessary for absorption). I have fairly low stomach acid (NEVER had heartburn) but when I was tested by an internist, my B vitamin levels, including folic acid & B12 were all high.
There is no dye in B vitamins. And yes, you will excrete what's not used. Your tissues have a saturation point but water-soluble vitamins can only be so much absorbed. Better to break your pills into halves & take one with a morning meal & the other with supper. This is why it's important to take water-soluble vitamins with food so they don't immediately get peed out. Oil-soluble vitamins need to be taken with some fat containing foods to have bile added & be properly absorbed. Look at the forms vitamins come in naturally - always in foods.
Posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 15:15:20
In reply to Re: SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron, posted by colin wallace on March 31, 2002, at 14:38:20
Well, since I'm only going to take the 200 mg. of SAM-e, I'll just stick to my super B. I don't eat a lot of food with my vitamin, just a Weight Watchers Bar, which is about 120 calories. I always thought the food was to prevent stomach aches. See what I know.
lotsa beardy : )>>
P.S. Aha, Ron! You were wrong at last! (See Iso's post about the B2, not B12.) And I'm afraid the mug is just not big enough.
Posted by Ron Hill on April 1, 2002, at 1:12:31
In reply to SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron, posted by beardedlady on March 31, 2002, at 14:06:53
> I just bought my 80 pills for $36 at Costco (Nature Made brand).
Good Ms B. Lady! I'm excited for you and eager to see if SAM-e benefits you. You got the sale price; less than $0.50 per day (if ya take 200 mg/day). Please keep us posted regarding effectiveness/ineffectiveness of SAM-e trial.
>Please tell me where to get a sublingual B12. (GNC?)
Any good nutritional store. Buy sublingual bioactive B-12 (methylcobalamin). I have one under my tongue as I type this post and I can literally feel a calming/focusing effect in my brain as it enters my blood stream. Your mileage may vary.
>Are you sure I need it with the Super B complex?
If you ask me, I'll say yes. If you ask IsoM (Isomer), she'll say no. IsoM is very knowledgeable, and I agree with everything IsoM said in her post (above in this thread), with one small but important exception. I think that the percentage of people that do not effectively absorb B-12 when it is taken orally (down-the-hatch) is much higher than that inferred by IsoM. In any case, taking extra B-12 will not harm you since, as IsoM pointed out, the body will safely eliminate any excess. However, the sublingual bioactive form of B-12 is expensive and, as such, it is a waste of money if you do not need it. Thirty tablets of 1000 mcg cost $7.95 plus tax at the nutritional store that I frequent.
If I were you I would begin your SAM-e trial by including sublingual bioactive B-12 supplementation in addition to your Super B Complex. Then after the first month or so of the trial, remove the sublingual bioactive B-12 while keeping everything else constant and see if you feel any different.
>And are you sure I don't absorb ANY of the B12 in that Super B complex?
Okay, I may have exaggerated to try to make a point. Almost everyone absorbs some percentage of the B-12 taken orally. However, based on what I've read and based on my personal experience, I am of the opinion that B-12 deficiency is widespread, especially in the subpopulation of those with a psychiatric disorder. And further, effective B-12 uptake occurs intravenously and sublingually but, in general, not orally.
>P.S. Aha, Ron! You were wrong at last! (See Iso's post about the B2, not B12.) And I'm afraid the mug is just not big enough.
Me wrong? Wouldn't be the first time, and won't be the last. Yes, I enjoyed IsoM's post. Just to set the record straight, I did not intend to give you the impression that it is specifically B-12 that causes the yellow color. Instead, what I intended to convey was that yellow pee is indicative of poor absorption of vitamins, in general, when taken in pill form. IsoM has now taught me that the yellow color is due to B-2. Thank you Isomer!
As for the mug, you need to talk to Colin. And no, we DO NOT give refunds even if the SAM-e trial is unsuccessful.
-- Ron
Posted by JohnX2 on April 1, 2002, at 5:35:42
In reply to Re: SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron » beardedlady, posted by IsoM on March 31, 2002, at 14:57:23
I have a question regarding urine color.I noticed in the past that if I take these strong multivatins that my urine is bright yellow. But then after a while this stopped. Recently I was taking some mutivatamins with n-acetyl-cysteine or l-glutathione and then the urine color came back.
Is the lack of urine shine any indicator of some sort of absorbtion/toxicity issue?
John
> Beire-dei, the bright yellow in your pee after taking B complex is from B2, riboflavin. Favins are a group of molecules that tend to have pigmentation. It's what gives the yellow colour. You'll notice in raw egg whites that there's a certain fluorescence to the albumen. It's a flavin in the white that gives it that colour too & heat destroys it when it gets cooked.
>
> If you have any decent stomach acid, you'll be able to absorb B12. It's only a real problem with those who have very low stomach acid & pernicious anemia (they lack the intrinsic factor necessary for absorption). I have fairly low stomach acid (NEVER had heartburn) but when I was tested by an internist, my B vitamin levels, including folic acid & B12 were all high.
>
> There is no dye in B vitamins. And yes, you will excrete what's not used. Your tissues have a saturation point but water-soluble vitamins can only be so much absorbed. Better to break your pills into halves & take one with a morning meal & the other with supper. This is why it's important to take water-soluble vitamins with food so they don't immediately get peed out. Oil-soluble vitamins need to be taken with some fat containing foods to have bile added & be properly absorbed. Look at the forms vitamins come in naturally - always in foods.
Posted by IsoM on April 1, 2002, at 12:50:21
In reply to Re: SAM-e: Where's that old poop thread? Colin, Ron » beardedlady, posted by Ron Hill on April 1, 2002, at 1:12:31
Posted by Ron Hill on April 2, 2002, at 0:27:26
In reply to Still no mug for me?? ;-) (nm) » Ron Hill, posted by IsoM on April 1, 2002, at 12:50:21
Posted by IsoM on April 2, 2002, at 1:15:05
In reply to SAM-e Mugs Gone. Colin Gave Them All Away. (nm) » IsoM, posted by Ron Hill on April 2, 2002, at 0:27:26
Posted by IsoM on April 2, 2002, at 1:18:34
In reply to Re: shiny pee-pee, posted by JohnX2 on April 1, 2002, at 5:35:42
John, I'm no biochemist & don't know all the precursors & products of different amino acid metabolism. I tried to find if either the cysteine or the glutathione would contribute to the returned colour but can't find a link. I'm at a loss.
Posted by Zo on April 3, 2002, at 1:12:13
In reply to Re: shiny pee-pee, posted by JohnX2 on April 1, 2002, at 5:35:42
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