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Posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
In our weight loss obsessed culture, why is wonderfully effective prescription diet pill dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) not one of the top selling drugs, while the much more dangerous non-prescription & more expensive ($50 per bottle) & side effect prone diet pill Xenadrine w/ ephedra & also Metabolife have sales in the billions of dollars?
Research has shown that the popular slogan "speed kills" of the 1960's was wrong- all speed killed was the pot smoking happy hippy commune scene. Amphetamines make you far too productive to sit around & do nothing all day. Additionally, amphetamines are much safer than ephedra or ephedrine in overdose. Amphetamine addicts have shot 4 to 5 thousand mg doses into their vanes & still recovered, while a dose of ephedra only 3 times the recommended dose may likely result in death from hypertension.
People often say that tolerance often develops to dexedrine, but I think all of the ADD kids that take Dexedrine or Adderall every day without increasing the dose for years may disprove this. I lost one pound of bodyweight per day while taking dexedrine (which being a somewhat skinny young male was bad for me but would be good for most other americans). Additionally, tolerance develops to the weight loss benefits of ephedra in days, while with dexedrine it takes about a month.
I guess the main problem with dexedrine is dose escalation & addiction, but amphetamines are psychologically addicting, not physically addicting. Abruptly stopping amphetamines causes a depressed mood and excessive sleep but thats about it. So because of the abuse potential dexedrine cannot be given to alcoholics, or drug abusers but what about the normal american who is now taking dangerous & potentially fatal drugs like xenadrine to lose weight?
Posted by IsoM on January 4, 2002, at 15:04:13
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
Not me. My weight seems to stay stable no matter what (except when I'm really down & just stop eating). I don't lose weight on Dexedrine & neither does my 26 year old son who takes it regularly - more than I do.
I'm actually curious if I might lose weight on adrafinil over a period of time as I'm far more active on a continuous basis on adrafinil than I am on Dexedrine.
> In our weight loss obsessed culture, why is wonderfully effective prescription diet pill dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) not one of the top selling drugs, while the much more dangerous non-prescription & more expensive ($50 per bottle) & side effect prone diet pill Xenadrine w/ ephedra & also Metabolife have sales in the billions of dollars?
>
> Research has shown that the popular slogan "speed kills" of the 1960's was wrong- all speed killed was the pot smoking happy hippy commune scene. Amphetamines make you far too productive to sit around & do nothing all day. Additionally, amphetamines are much safer than ephedra or ephedrine in overdose. Amphetamine addicts have shot 4 to 5 thousand mg doses into their vanes & still recovered, while a dose of ephedra only 3 times the recommended dose may likely result in death from hypertension.
>
> People often say that tolerance often develops to dexedrine, but I think all of the ADD kids that take Dexedrine or Adderall every day without increasing the dose for years may disprove this. I lost one pound of bodyweight per day while taking dexedrine (which being a somewhat skinny young male was bad for me but would be good for most other americans). Additionally, tolerance develops to the weight loss benefits of ephedra in days, while with dexedrine it takes about a month.
>
> I guess the main problem with dexedrine is dose escalation & addiction, but amphetamines are psychologically addicting, not physically addicting. Abruptly stopping amphetamines causes a depressed mood and excessive sleep but thats about it. So because of the abuse potential dexedrine cannot be given to alcoholics, or drug abusers but what about the normal american who is now taking dangerous & potentially fatal drugs like xenadrine to lose weight?
Posted by JohnX2 on January 4, 2002, at 16:38:57
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
I lose 4+ lbs/week on Adderall (amphetamine salts).
After 4 weeks I can't stand the medicine. I feel like a swarm
of locust have come in and chewed up my body and
spit me out. amphetamines are neurotoxic and
will kill dopamine neurons. There are medicines
that can protect against the neurotoxicity,
but the fda doesn't want you to know about it.-john
> In our weight loss obsessed culture, why is wonderfully effective prescription diet pill dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) not one of the top selling drugs, while the much more dangerous non-prescription & more expensive ($50 per bottle) & side effect prone diet pill Xenadrine w/ ephedra & also Metabolife have sales in the billions of dollars?
>
> Research has shown that the popular slogan "speed kills" of the 1960's was wrong- all speed killed was the pot smoking happy hippy commune scene. Amphetamines make you far too productive to sit around & do nothing all day. Additionally, amphetamines are much safer than ephedra or ephedrine in overdose. Amphetamine addicts have shot 4 to 5 thousand mg doses into their vanes & still recovered, while a dose of ephedra only 3 times the recommended dose may likely result in death from hypertension.
>
> People often say that tolerance often develops to dexedrine, but I think all of the ADD kids that take Dexedrine or Adderall every day without increasing the dose for years may disprove this. I lost one pound of bodyweight per day while taking dexedrine (which being a somewhat skinny young male was bad for me but would be good for most other americans). Additionally, tolerance develops to the weight loss benefits of ephedra in days, while with dexedrine it takes about a month.
>
> I guess the main problem with dexedrine is dose escalation & addiction, but amphetamines are psychologically addicting, not physically addicting. Abruptly stopping amphetamines causes a depressed mood and excessive sleep but thats about it. So because of the abuse potential dexedrine cannot be given to alcoholics, or drug abusers but what about the normal american who is now taking dangerous & potentially fatal drugs like xenadrine to lose weight?
Posted by stjames on January 4, 2002, at 18:26:10
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
Research shows that stims for weight loss only work short term. Having taken Dex for years I can attest to this. After a few months Dex no longer supresses hunger. One would have to always be increasing the dose to loose weight. Rebound hungar is a big deal, once the dex is stopped.
So unless one stays on dex all the time, day and night, stims are not much help in long trem weight loss.
Posted by MB on January 4, 2002, at 23:15:57
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by JohnX2 on January 4, 2002, at 16:38:57
> I lose 4+ lbs/week on Adderall (amphetamine salts).
> After 4 weeks I can't stand the medicine. I feel like a swarm
> of locust have come in and chewed up my body and
> spit me out. amphetamines are neurotoxic and
> will kill dopamine neurons. There are medicines
> that can protect against the neurotoxicity,
> but the fda doesn't want you to know about it.
>
> -john
What you write here scares the crap out of me as I am about to start Adderall in a few weeks. What are the neuroprotective drugs? Where can I find more information about this? I knew that heavy methamphetamine addicts suffered neuronal death, but I was told that in the doses I was going to be taking it, the Adderall was safe.MB
Posted by JGalt on January 5, 2002, at 0:19:43
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
Some dexedrine abusers I've known wouldn't get out of bed to do much more than eat every once in a while for well over a week. They weren't back to at all productive until about a month. That's pretty hard to go through, a lot of people will commit suicide during that.
Amphetamines used to be prescribed all day long for weight loss but that is frowned upon now, many people get a tolerance to that just as much as they do the motivational effects. The help with concentration is the one thing that doesn't seem to go away.
One final problem with your post, it is impossible, I repeat, impossible for anyone except the morbidly obese or relatively fat people using high levels of 2,4 dinitrophenol to loose a lb of fat a day. You can loose several lbs of water easily, you can keep a lower amount of food in your system by taking laxatives (I lost 8lbs in 12 hrs doing this before a powerlifting competition, not worth it), but that is not permanent weight loss by any means. Here's why you can't: a lb of fat contains 3500 calories. I'm an active guy, I'm around 180lbs, and the number of calories I need to maintain my bodyweight is roughly 2500 per day. Unless you're doing some endurance running daily, chances are, you're never going to get to 20x your bodyweight in calories needed per day. The dexedrine's impact on your metabolism is unsubstantial after a week or so, so the only way you could loose a pound of fat a day would be to not eat at all (this is if you are about my weight and have some incredible metabolism and are very active), in which case your body would severly intervene, begin metabolising muscle like crazy, and make you very very lethargic and unmotivated. Thus, if you were loosing a lb a day, it was mostly water weight, less food intake causing a lower food balance in your body, perhaps liver glycogen stores being used up (I believe that is roughly 3-5 lbs right there), along with some fat and muscle...not weight you're going to keep off for long, certainly not a healthy plan for life.
I do agree completely that ephedrine+caffeine's rapid results on weight loss are primarily through the above mechanisms, ephedrine's actual metabolism increasing effects are something like 2-3% increase...and it reduces appetite. Start popping thyroid pills all day long (not healthy either), you'll probably be up around 15-20% elevation. Back in the 20's (no I'm not that old), when DNP was legal, pop a couple of those per day and start living outside in the winter somewhere snowy, and you can have 70% elevation...that's about the only way you can loose a lb of real fat a day (while eating the same amount and not loosing much if any muscle), which is pretty much all that counts if you're going for increasing your health by loosing weight.
JGalt
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2002, at 1:08:45
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by JGalt on January 5, 2002, at 0:19:43
I am 6'1", 23 yr old male & went from 180 to about 160 lbs on Dexedrine in a little less than a month. I was on Ritalin about a year ago & had similar results.
I think a major reason these drugs cause weight loss is that when you are taking them food just tastes 'gross' & you really don't feel like eating food. Plus, you are burning extra calories by fidgeting & not sleeping etc.Also, in studies, when rats were given dexedrine one hour before a meal, they died of starvation about two weeks later!
I am not interested in losing weight & have always had trouble gaining weight (high metabolism), since I am young I am more interested in gaining (muscle) weight (which I am now in the process of doing with the help of Remeron).
For me, the rapid weight loss with ADHD stimulants was a definite negative, but everywhere I looked, older people 30+, especially women, were frighteningly obese! So I've always told myself that if I (or my future wife) ever get obese like most middle aged americans seem to get, its off to the doctor to get a dexedrine scrip!
>
>I think the tolerance to the weight loss effect of amphetamines has been exaggerated just like the addiction potential of benzodiazepines has been grossly exaggerated in order to discourage their use. (I guess the self-indulgent baby-boomers had way too much fun in the 1960s & 1970s with amphetamines & valium (among other drugs) & ruined it for us all now. If a person takes Dexedrine one hour before every meal, Food will still taste gross & you will still burn more calories through lack of sleep & fidgeting- how can one develop tolerance to effects like these?
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One final problem with your post, it is impossible, I repeat, impossible for anyone except the morbidly obese or relatively fat people using high levels of 2,4 dinitrophenol to loose a lb of fat a day. You can loose several lbs of water easily, you can keep a lower amount of food in your system by taking laxatives (I lost 8lbs in 12 hrs doing this before a powerlifting competition, not worth it), but that is not permanent weight loss by any means. Here's why you can't: a lb of fat contains 3500 calories. I'm an active guy, I'm around 180lbs, and the number of calories I need to maintain my bodyweight is roughly 2500 per day. Unless you're doing some endurance running daily, chances are, you're never going to get to 20x your bodyweight in calories needed per day. The dexedrine's impact on your metabolism is unsubstantial after a week or so, so the only way you could loose a pound of fat a day would be to not eat at all (this is if you are about my weight and have some incredible metabolism and are very active), in which case your body would severly intervene, begin metabolising muscle like crazy, and make you very very lethargic and unmotivated. Thus, if you were loosing a lb a day, it was mostly water weight, less food intake causing a lower food balance in your body, perhaps liver glycogen stores being used up (I believe that is roughly 3-5 lbs right there), along with some fat and muscle...not weight you're going to keep off for long, certainly not a healthy plan for life.
>
> I do agree completely that ephedrine+caffeine's rapid results on weight loss are primarily through the above mechanisms, ephedrine's actual metabolism increasing effects are something like 2-3% increase...and it reduces appetite. Start popping thyroid pills all day long (not healthy either), you'll probably be up around 15-20% elevation. Back in the 20's (no I'm not that old), when DNP was legal, pop a couple of those per day and start living outside in the winter somewhere snowy, and you can have 70% elevation...that's about the only way you can loose a lb of real fat a day (while eating the same amount and not loosing much if any muscle), which is pretty much all that counts if you're going for increasing your health by loosing weight.
>
> JGalt
Posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2002, at 1:19:59
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug? » JohnX2, posted by MB on January 4, 2002, at 23:15:57
Amphetamines are neurotoxic when they are manufactured illegally in some clandestine lab because they have toxic chemical byproducts still in them that haven't been filtered out. (probably the cause of the 'neuronal death' you heard about). Methamphetamines bought on the street are notoriously 'cut' or 'impure' with various substances including ephedrine, strychnine, etc to increase profits for the dealer at the expense of the health of the buyer. Plus the means of administration- snorting or smoking causes such a rapid uptake of the amphetamine that some brain damage can occur.
But with pharmaceutical grade stimulants such as Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin, or even Desoxyn, you have nothing to worry about. They are very safe medications when taken orally and at normal dosages.
The neuroprotective medicines he is probably talking about are the nootropics such as Piracetam or the more potent Aniracetam. Unfortunately, you cannot get a prescription for these, you have to buy them from an overseas mail order company- not only that but these nootropic smart drugs have no clear evidence that they make you smarter, or do anything else for that matter. Definitely not worth your time.
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> What you write here scares the crap out of me as I am about to start Adderall in a few weeks. What are the neuroprotective drugs? Where can I find more information about this? I knew that heavy methamphetamine addicts suffered neuronal death, but I was told that in the doses I was going to be taking it, the Adderall was safe.
>
> MB
Posted by stjames on January 5, 2002, at 2:12:32
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug? » JohnX2, posted by MB on January 4, 2002, at 23:15:57
> > spit me out. amphetamines are neurotoxic and
> > will kill dopamine neurons.Maybe with the subsituted amphetamines, though
neurotoxic may not be the right word. People have been on amphetamines for over 50 years. Changes
can be shown in abusers, at doses way higher than
clinically used. It is really hard to find an long term meth abuser, who did not other drugs,
did not live on the street, ect. "Pure" test subjects are not at hand.I think if amphetamine was neurotoxic at clinical doses, after 60 years we would see evidence of this. I do not agree that a change in neurology
means damage, in all cases.
Posted by IsoM on January 5, 2002, at 12:48:05
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- tolerance to weight loss exaggerate, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2002, at 1:08:45
I didn't feel like posting this as it probably sounds like a brag which it DEFINITELY iisn't!
I'm 52, 5'5", 120 lb female, & constantly get mistaken for someone in their middle - late 30's. I've been asked if I work out at the gym (I don't, I'm just very active in my everyday life.) I've even had to pull out my driver's licence to shjow my photo & birthdate. I'm an 'older' women who ISN'T "frighteningly obese" as you put it. It's really weird when some guy who's young enough to be a son comes on to me. I love flooring them by telling them my age. And no, I don't hang out in bars, this happens at work once in a while.
My point? Don't be scared off Dexedrine or Ritalin unnecessarily. Neither of them depressed my appetite. Untreated depression does that job far better. The trick to taking stims & eating is to eat first, then take the stim. By the time the first dose has worn off, eat again before taking your next dose.
By the way, I prefer adrafinil (the "good arousal" drug) for its smooth, constant effect - from the moment I wake up in the morning till I go to bed at night, plus no sleep disturbances anymore. And food tastes great all the time, but doesn't make me overeat either.
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> I am 6'1", 23 yr old male & went from 180 to about 160 lbs on Dexedrine in a little less than a month. I was on Ritalin about a year ago & had similar results.
> I think a major reason these drugs cause weight loss is that when you are taking them food just tastes 'gross' & you really don't feel like eating food. Plus, you are burning extra calories by fidgeting & not sleeping etc.
>
> Also, in studies, when rats were given dexedrine one hour before a meal, they died of starvation about two weeks later!
but everywhere I looked, older people 30+, especially women, were frighteningly obese!
Posted by MB on January 5, 2002, at 14:18:18
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by stjames on January 5, 2002, at 2:12:32
> I think if amphetamine was neurotoxic at clinical doses, after 60 years we would see evidence of this. I do not agree that a change in neurology
> means damage, in all cases.I know a man who's been on ritilin for 30 years for ADD. I don't know if he takes other drugs. He has tics in his hands: he holds his hands and moves them like he's playing a Super Nintendo. He also "chews the cud" but way faster than what I've seen in people with Tardive Dyskinesia. I've always wonderd if he is damaged from the Ritilin. However, what you say about impurity of test subjects holds for him also (even though he's not a street meth user): he's been an alcoholic for decades. If I start ticing on the Adderall, I might have to add a blood pressure medicine (I forget the name...not Clonidine, something else). The doc said an "alpha blocker". I thought they used alpha *agonists* for tics. Hmm Hmm Hmm. Hopefully I won't have to add that.
MB
ps. About weight loss...I hope I don't really lose weight on the Adderall. I could stand to lose some fat, but from what I've seen of people who've lost weight on stims, the stims seem to decrease a lot of muscle too. People who are skinny from stims always seem to have bad muscle tone. I'd rather just lose weight by eating a healthy diet and exercising!!
Posted by stjames on January 5, 2002, at 20:13:13
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by MB on January 5, 2002, at 14:18:18
> ps. About weight loss...I hope I don't really lose weight on the Adderall. I could stand to lose some fat, but from what I've seen of people who've lost weight on stims, the stims seem to decrease a lot of muscle too. People who are skinny from stims always seem to have bad muscle tone. I'd rather just lose weight by eating a healthy diet and exercising!!
James here....
Correct, eating less all round is an ineffective way to loose weight. In starvation mode the body first burns liver products and muscle. then when you eat normally (like stop the stim) the body stores more fat, in reaction to being starved.
As always, loosing weight is about eating right all the time and quick fixes cause short term loss
but long term gain. The amount gained is most times much more than was lost.james
Posted by OldSchool on January 5, 2002, at 21:10:26
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
> In our weight loss obsessed culture, why is wonderfully effective prescription diet pill dexedrine (dextroamphetamine) not one of the top selling drugs, while the much more dangerous non-prescription & more expensive ($50 per bottle) & side effect prone diet pill Xenadrine w/ ephedra & also Metabolife have sales in the billions of dollars?
>
> Research has shown that the popular slogan "speed kills" of the 1960's was wrong- all speed killed was the pot smoking happy hippy commune scene. Amphetamines make you far too productive to sit around & do nothing all day. Additionally, amphetamines are much safer than ephedra or ephedrine in overdose. Amphetamine addicts have shot 4 to 5 thousand mg doses into their vanes & still recovered, while a dose of ephedra only 3 times the recommended dose may likely result in death from hypertension.
>
> People often say that tolerance often develops to dexedrine, but I think all of the ADD kids that take Dexedrine or Adderall every day without increasing the dose for years may disprove this. I lost one pound of bodyweight per day while taking dexedrine (which being a somewhat skinny young male was bad for me but would be good for most other americans). Additionally, tolerance develops to the weight loss benefits of ephedra in days, while with dexedrine it takes about a month.
>
> I guess the main problem with dexedrine is dose escalation & addiction, but amphetamines are psychologically addicting, not physically addicting. Abruptly stopping amphetamines causes a depressed mood and excessive sleep but thats about it. So because of the abuse potential dexedrine cannot be given to alcoholics, or drug abusers but what about the normal american who is now taking dangerous & potentially fatal drugs like xenadrine to lose weight?Taking amphetamines for weight loss is a poor reason to take speed. Unless one is maybe morbidly obese or something. Amphetamines taken for the reason of weight loss could create a psychiatric condition that didnt exist before, amphetamine psychosis. And of course amphetamines taken over the longterm are physically addictive. Its much more than a "psychological" addiction, its a real physiological addiction you get with longterm, regular usage of amphetamines.
The best way to lose weight is to cut out booze and increase the exercise.
Old School
Posted by stjames on January 5, 2002, at 22:19:17
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by OldSchool on January 5, 2002, at 21:10:26
> The best way to lose weight is to cut out booze and increase the exercise.
>
> Old SchoolBooze, hmmm.
Booze is neurotoxic. Even a glass kills cells.
Posted by CalvaryHill on January 6, 2002, at 1:03:35
In reply to Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug?, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 4, 2002, at 14:53:20
I took Meridia for a month and had no side-effects.
Posted by Triss on January 7, 2002, at 14:21:58
In reply to Re: Dexedrine- the perfect weight loss drug? » JohnX2, posted by MB on January 4, 2002, at 23:15:57
Be careful regarding what you read or listen to versus what you believe. The studies which are used to suggest amphetamines are neurotoxic, involve deliberately poisoning rats with massively high dosages of amphetamines. In fact, the dosages of amphetamines used in these studies are so ridiculously high that the ensuing hyptherthermia (a primary and well known consequence of amphetamine overdose) itself easily accounts for the predictable observation of neuronal damage occurring in response. This in no way carries any implications for amphetamine use at clinical dosages.
Triss
>
> > I lose 4+ lbs/week on Adderall (amphetamine salts).
> > After 4 weeks I can't stand the medicine. I feel like a swarm
> > of locust have come in and chewed up my body and
> > spit me out. amphetamines are neurotoxic and
> > will kill dopamine neurons. There are medicines
> > that can protect against the neurotoxicity,
> > but the fda doesn't want you to know about it.
> >
> > -john
>
>
> What you write here scares the crap out of me as I am about to start Adderall in a few weeks. What are the neuroprotective drugs? Where can I find more information about this? I knew that heavy methamphetamine addicts suffered neuronal death, but I was told that in the doses I was going to be taking it, the Adderall was safe.
>
> MB
Posted by JohnX2 on January 8, 2002, at 21:29:16
In reply to Adderall safe if taken orally, posted by 3 Beer Effect on January 5, 2002, at 1:19:59
Prescriptions stims are safer than the street drugs,
but they still pound away on the dopamine neurons
and for people who are the slighest prone to bipolar
they can be quite neurotoxic.
The best ways to protect yourself to the 1st
order are antioxidants. The future is
nmda antagonists (just my opinion). I feel
it is a good idea to take anti-oxidants with
medications as they are neuroprotective in
general. We really don't know what these
meds are doing in our brain, so it is good to
have well understood anti-oxidants in moderate
doses cleaning up free radicals.Today's best protection:
1) anti-oxidants (prevent casdaded neurnal
degenerantation from free radicals):vitamin C,E
others: alpha-lipoic-acid,selegeline,
siberian ginseng, lots of others...2) the "future": NMDA antagonists
Akatinol (Memantine).
Acamprosate .. othersThese meds prevent toxic glutamate
transmission from causing the cell death in
the first place. They also have been shown
to help prevent the development of tolerance
and sensitizantion to psychostimulants and
opiods.-john
> Amphetamines are neurotoxic when they are manufactured illegally in some clandestine lab because they have toxic chemical byproducts still in them that haven't been filtered out. (probably the cause of the 'neuronal death' you heard about). Methamphetamines bought on the street are notoriously 'cut' or 'impure' with various substances including ephedrine, strychnine, etc to increase profits for the dealer at the expense of the health of the buyer. Plus the means of administration- snorting or smoking causes such a rapid uptake of the amphetamine that some brain damage can occur.
>
> But with pharmaceutical grade stimulants such as Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin, or even Desoxyn, you have nothing to worry about. They are very safe medications when taken orally and at normal dosages.
>
> The neuroprotective medicines he is probably talking about are the nootropics such as Piracetam or the more potent Aniracetam. Unfortunately, you cannot get a prescription for these, you have to buy them from an overseas mail order company- not only that but these nootropic smart drugs have no clear evidence that they make you smarter, or do anything else for that matter. Definitely not worth your time.
>
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>
>
> > What you write here scares the crap out of me as I am about to start Adderall in a few weeks. What are the neuroprotective drugs? Where can I find more information about this? I knew that heavy methamphetamine addicts suffered neuronal death, but I was told that in the doses I was going to be taking it, the Adderall was safe.
> >
> > MB
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