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Posted by Katt on July 26, 2001, at 14:12:28
I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
Katt
Posted by kid47 on July 26, 2001, at 15:09:01
In reply to Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Katt on July 26, 2001, at 14:12:28
Hi Katt. Sorry to hear you're having trouble. I once had depression induced psychosis. I saw dinosaur heads tearing the covers off my bed & some other crazy stuff. My doc said this does not necessarily indicate that I suffer from psychosis. He said untreated or under treated depression & anxiety can trigger a psychotic event.
You should tell your doc about these problems. Are you taking any other meds? What you listed as your med regimine seems inadequate considering the several different dx. Good Luck. Take care.kid
> I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
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> The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
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> I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
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> Katt
Posted by Katt on July 26, 2001, at 15:35:54
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by kid47 on July 26, 2001, at 15:09:01
I am not currently on any other medications, despite my other diagnoses. My doctor tried to put me on Serzone a few weeks ago, but I have yet to take it. I know - many people may think that I am being noncompliant, but I have had such horrible experiences with antidepressants (including pancreatitis) that I cannot afford to take them.
Nevertheless, I have been depressed before and have not experienced anything like this. I do have an elevated level of stress at work, but again, I have had stress before, so why hallucinations now?
Katt
> Hi Katt. Sorry to hear you're having trouble. I once had depression induced psychosis. I saw dinosaur heads tearing the covers off my bed & some other crazy stuff. My doc said this does not necessarily indicate that I suffer from psychosis. He said untreated or under treated depression & anxiety can trigger a psychotic event.
> You should tell your doc about these problems. Are you taking any other meds? What you listed as your med regimine seems inadequate considering the several different dx. Good Luck. Take care.
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> > I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> > Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
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> > The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
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> > I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
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Posted by Zo on July 26, 2001, at 22:03:13
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by Willow on July 26, 2001, at 14:06:54
> Maybe someone can give her some help:
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> > I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> > Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
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> > The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
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> > I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
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> > KattKatt,
Sounds a lot like mild Temporal Lobe seizures, which can be scary if you don't know about TLE. .. almost "psychedelic". . one of the common symptoms is almost like seeing things out of the corner of your eye, others are migraine-like auras, shimmering. . .others are deja vu, strange tastes or smells.This is often the cause, when the illusion, whatever it is, is temporary, and there is no loss of consciousness.
Zo
Posted by Else on July 26, 2001, at 22:29:03
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? -TLE, posted by Zo on July 26, 2001, at 22:03:13
> > Maybe someone can give her some help:
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> > > I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> > > Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
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> > > The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
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> > > I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
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> Sounds a lot like mild Temporal Lobe seizures, which can be scary if you don't know about TLE. .. almost "psychedelic". . one of the common symptoms is almost like seeing things out of the corner of your eye, others are migraine-like auras, shimmering. . .others are deja vu, strange tastes or smells.
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> This is often the cause, when the illusion, whatever it is, is temporary, and there is no loss of consciousness.
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> ZoI agree, it sounds neurological. Very much like a partial seizure. You should see a neurologist. It's probably not psychosis but only a doctor could tell you for sure.
Posted by margaretmarburg on July 27, 2001, at 3:49:30
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? -TLE, posted by Else on July 26, 2001, at 22:29:03
I don't know much about TLE but it sounds a lot like a migraine aura to me, especially the shimmering.
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> > > > I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> > > > Although I often have dissociative symptoms, I have recently had two instances of something more. I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real. Then they suddenly disappear. Blinking does not make them go away.
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> > > > The episode occurs over a period of 20 seconds or so but leaves me shaken and in tears. I am not necessarily phobic, but I hate any sort of insect, arachnoid, etc. The thought of dozens or hundreds of bugs before my eyes is terrifying. While I am not in that place, I know that what happened was not real.
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> > > > I am terrified. What is going on? I am not using illicit drugs, and I never have. Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis? Please, someone, explain what is happening to me.
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> > Sounds a lot like mild Temporal Lobe seizures, which can be scary if you don't know about TLE. .. almost "psychedelic". . one of the common symptoms is almost like seeing things out of the corner of your eye, others are migraine-like auras, shimmering. . .others are deja vu, strange tastes or smells.
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> > This is often the cause, when the illusion, whatever it is, is temporary, and there is no loss of consciousness.
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> I agree, it sounds neurological. Very much like a partial seizure. You should see a neurologist. It's probably not psychosis but only a doctor could tell you for sure.
Posted by Katt on July 27, 2001, at 10:19:00
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by Zo on July 26, 2001, at 22:16:53
I did. A seizure of some sort? What sorts of measures would prevent this from happening? Could it get worse? Is it something I would have to be on medication for? Is most everyone certain that this is not a symptom of psychosis? Does my age or gender (25, F) have anything to do with this and why it is occurring now?
Katt
> Hope you'll take a look at my post to you on thread above,
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> Zo
Posted by Else on July 27, 2001, at 19:25:35
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Katt on July 27, 2001, at 10:19:00
AN EEG would determine this and anti-convulsant meds would probably take care of it. Schizophrenia usually involves *auditory* hallucinations and some form of delusional thinking. Very brief visual hallucinations followed by an affective reaction does not ressemble psychosis, especially if your thinking is not affected. Only a doctor can rule out psychosis but the symptoms don't match.
> I did. A seizure of some sort? What sorts of measures would prevent this from happening? Could it get worse? Is it something I would have to be on medication for? Is most everyone certain that this is not a symptom of psychosis? Does my age or gender (25, F) have anything to do with this and why it is occurring now?
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Posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 20:58:19
In reply to Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Katt on July 26, 2001, at 14:12:28
> I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
FWIW: some doctors feel that Xanax is contraindicated in people with BPD (apparently, I think, because it can cause problematic disinhibition in this population), and some try to avoid benzodiazepines altogether. Does the Xanax help with the dissociative symptoms?
> I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real.
That goes beyond hallucination into the realm of delusion. Can you identify any sort of trigger that seemed to bring on these episodes?
> Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis?
Many people labelled "borderline" have brief psychosis-like episodes. I would think about seeing a neurologist, though (see Zo's post).
-elizabeth
Posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 21:01:55
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Katt on July 27, 2001, at 10:19:00
Hallucinations in schizophrenia and psychotic mood disorders are most often auditory, although they can be visual.
I'm 25 too, BTW. I wonder how old most people on this board are.
-elizabeth
Posted by Willow on July 27, 2001, at 22:09:59
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 21:01:55
> Hallucinations in schizophrenia and psychotic mood disorders are most often auditory, although they can be visual.
My father has had visual ones when his scizophrenia has flared. I think the important difference is if they are delusional, you believe what you see or hear is real. Many mood disorders have psychotic episodes not just schizophrenia. In my opinion a major difference is the thought processing, with schizophrenia it gets really warped, but it can do with bi-polar and others too perhaps.
Have you discussed it with your doctor?
Willow
Posted by quilter on July 27, 2001, at 22:23:08
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, ..., posted by Willow on July 27, 2001, at 22:09:59
Have you had your eyes checked? Including pressure?
Posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 23:04:51
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Katt on July 27, 2001, at 10:19:00
> I did. A seizure of some sort? What sorts of measures would prevent this from happening? Could it get worse? Is it something I would have to be on medication for? Is most everyone certain that this is not a symptom of psychosis? Does my age or gender (25, F) have anything to do with this and why it is occurring now?
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> KattI am on a rather small dose of Neurontin, which pretty much does away with them. . .unless I sleep too long, or look at really flickering lights.
Why now? Perhaps something's changed in your life? Your meds? Look at Mass Gen Neurology board, lots of other folks' experiences. Talk to an epileptologist, not an ordinary neuro. Do a web search on TLE.
I don't know. . there is just some quality to the way you described it that doesn't sound psychotic. Do you have migraine and/or Bipolar I or II? All three dxs share the phenomenon of Kindling. . .and shimmering "hallucinations."
Zo
Posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 23:06:21
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 21:01:55
> Hallucinations in schizophrenia and psychotic mood disorders are most often auditory, although they can be visual.
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> I'm 25 too, BTW. I wonder how old most people on this board are.
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> -elizabeth
Well shoot, I am old enough to be your mommy!Zo the Ancient
Posted by margaretmarburg on July 28, 2001, at 4:08:42
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 20:58:19
> > I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real.
> That goes beyond hallucination into the realm of delusion.
It depends. When my migraines first appear, I believe at first that there's something going on outside me (e.g., at first I think that the words in a book I'm reading are printed incorrectly, rather than that I'm experiencing a negative scotoma). It's only after I realize it's a migraine that I know it's "in my head." This is not a delusion. It's misinterpretation in my visual processing areas.
I doubt thinking hallucinations are "real" is inherently delusional. The brain automatically interprets inputs as external or internal, and if it misinterprets a signal as external, most people would think it was "real."
If you persist in that belief when the evidence accumulates that you're hallucinating - that'd be delusional. If Katt said now that the shimmering bugs were real, that would seem delusional to me.
On the other hand, to be perfecty honest I don't think I've ever mistaken a clear positive scotoma for reality (unlike negative scotomas). At least not for more than a second or two. and Katt says she saw them for a full 20 seconds and was clearly terrified - that seems like maybe it's more a hallucination than a scotoma, but maybe not (I've never had a positive scotoma look like anything I COULD interpret as real, like a bug). Whatever the case, it still doesn't strike me as delusional.
Posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 20:58:37
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Katt, posted by Else on July 27, 2001, at 19:25:35
So you suspect that this is likely to be a seizure of brain abnormality of some sort? I can agree that schizophrenia can easily be ruled out. I was on depakote once during a hospitalization. The doctor's intention was to stabilze my mood so that I would not self-injure.
I quickly went off the drug though.> AN EEG would determine this and anti-convulsant meds would probably take care of it. Schizophrenia usually involves *auditory* hallucinations and some form of delusional thinking. Very brief visual hallucinations followed by an affective reaction does not ressemble psychosis, especially if your thinking is not affected. Only a doctor can rule out psychosis but the symptoms don't match.
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Posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 21:05:38
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Elizabeth on July 27, 2001, at 20:58:19
> > I am female, 25 yo, under psychiatric care for several years. My current medications are Ativan during the day and Xanax and Sonata at bedtime for several diagnoses including BPD, depression, anxiety, and anorexia.
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> FWIW: some doctors feel that Xanax is contraindicated in people with BPD (apparently, I think, because it can cause problematic disinhibition in this population), and some try to avoid benzodiazepines altogether. Does the Xanax help with the dissociative symptoms?*** Dumb question....what does FWIW stand for??? Xanax helps to calm me down. It works wonders for sleep, preventing my PTSD symptoms (dx I forgot to mention). ***
> > I have on two occasions, seen what I thought were bugs on the wall and on my shower curtain. They seem to shimmer or sparkle or flash in many colors before my eyes and during the time, I believe that they are real.
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> That goes beyond hallucination into the realm of delusion. Can you identify any sort of trigger that seemed to bring on these episodes?*** I can't identify a specific trigger, however the first time, I was in the office of one of my therapist. The second time, I was in the shower. I was thinking about work where my revelation of being sexually harrassed has caused quite a stir. The incidents were three weeks apart. Stress appears to be the only commonality. ****
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> > Am I hallucinating or is this simply dissociation or an occurence of stress? Is this an indication of psychosis?
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> Many people labelled "borderline" have brief psychosis-like episodes. I would think about seeing a neurologist, though (see Zo's post).*** My psychiatrist thinks that if it happens again, then maybe seeing a neurologist would be appropriate. I will ask him about the brief psychosis like episodes in borderlines. ***
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Posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 21:10:32
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, ..., posted by Willow on July 27, 2001, at 22:09:59
> > Hallucinations in schizophrenia and psychotic mood disorders are most often auditory, although they can be visual.
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> My father has had visual ones when his scizophrenia has flared. I think the important difference is if they are delusional, you believe what you see or hear is real. Many mood disorders have psychotic episodes not just schizophrenia. In my opinion a major difference is the thought processing, with schizophrenia it gets really warped, but it can do with bi-polar and others too perhaps.
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> WillowThis is the sad part. The first time I told my psychiatrist, he told me that he had them exterminated. I honestly felt like he did not believe me. The second time I told him, he sounded alarmed, but went back to joking about it. He says that he just doesnt want me worrying about it. Too late, I guess. He also said that if it happens again, some tests might be necessary.
It's kinda depressing. I don't care if it's something physical like a brain tumor or seizure or whatever. It wouldn't make a difference to me. I just don't want to feel like I am losing it and then have someone almost tease me about it. I do know that if it is a physical condition, I will most likely turn down treatment.
Katt
Posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 21:11:36
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, ..., posted by quilter on July 27, 2001, at 22:23:08
Yes, about two to three months ago. They were fine.
Katt
> Have you had your eyes checked? Including pressure?
Posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 21:13:37
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP!, posted by Zo on July 27, 2001, at 23:04:51
No migraines - I had them horrible as a child and they left while in college. I haven't been dx'd with either Bipolar I or II so those can also be ruled out. I do, however have BPD.
> > I did. A seizure of some sort? What sorts of measures would prevent this from happening? Could it get worse? Is it something I would have to be on medication for? Is most everyone certain that this is not a symptom of psychosis? Does my age or gender (25, F) have anything to do with this and why it is occurring now?
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> Why now? Perhaps something's changed in your life? Your meds? Look at Mass Gen Neurology board, lots of other folks' experiences. Talk to an epileptologist, not an ordinary neuro. Do a web search on TLE.
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> I don't know. . there is just some quality to the way you described it that doesn't sound psychotic. Do you have migraine and/or Bipolar I or II? All three dxs share the phenomenon of Kindling. . .and shimmering "hallucinations."
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> Zo
Posted by Willow on July 28, 2001, at 23:00:44
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! Zo, posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 21:13:37
> No migraines - I had them horrible as a child and they left while in college.
I remember my first migraine as a child. The sensations when I tried to stand were amplified. I would make attempts at standing because I thought it was neat. Thankfully I didn't have too many. They did get worse with time. Then after the birth of my first child no more, but the auras started. They're just like you explained.
Why the fatalistic post earlier about not seeking treatment?
Willow
Posted by Else on July 29, 2001, at 10:03:23
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! Else, posted by Katt on July 28, 2001, at 20:58:37
Yes, it looks like partial seizures and the fact that you've had symptoms of mood labitity and were diagnosed BPD points even more in the direction of epilepsy, but only a doctor could say for sure. In any event it doesn't look like any sort of psychosis (schizophrenic or bipolar) given that the symptoms are very brief and that your thinking is normal.
How long were you on Depakote? How much of it did you take? Did it help at all?
> So you suspect that this is likely to be a seizure of brain abnormality of some sort? I can agree that schizophrenia can easily be ruled out. I was on depakote once during a hospitalization. The doctor's intention was to stabilze my mood so that I would not self-injure.
> I quickly went off the drug though.
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> > AN EEG would determine this and anti-convulsant meds would probably take care of it. Schizophrenia usually involves *auditory* hallucinations and some form of delusional thinking. Very brief visual hallucinations followed by an affective reaction does not ressemble psychosis, especially if your thinking is not affected. Only a doctor can rule out psychosis but the symptoms don't match.
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> > > I did. A seizure of some sort? What sorts of measures would prevent this from happening? Could it get worse? Is it something I would have to be on medication for? Is most everyone certain that this is not a symptom of psychosis? Does my age or gender (25, F) have anything to do with this and why it is occurring now?
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Posted by Elizabeth on July 29, 2001, at 15:02:12
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, Dissociating? - HELP! » Elizabeth, posted by margaretmarburg on July 28, 2001, at 4:08:42
> When my migraines first appear, I believe at first that there's something going on outside me (e.g., at first I think that the words in a book I'm reading are printed incorrectly, rather than that I'm experiencing a negative scotoma). It's only after I realize it's a migraine that I know it's "in my head." This is not a delusion. It's misinterpretation in my visual processing areas.
That's reasonable.
> I doubt thinking hallucinations are "real" is inherently delusional. The brain automatically interprets inputs as external or internal, and if it misinterprets a signal as external, most people would think it was "real."
I should have been more clear: rigid belief that hallucinations are real even if they are bizarre or unlikely is delusional thinking.
-e
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 30, 2001, at 3:00:11
In reply to Re: Hallucinating, ..., posted by quilter on July 27, 2001, at 22:23:08
> Have you had your eyes checked? Including pressure?
Hey, welcome back! :-)
Bob
Posted by Katt on July 30, 2001, at 14:59:48
In reply to Migraines ..., posted by Willow on July 28, 2001, at 23:00:44
Because I don't know why I bother. Because my shrink doesn't believe. Because I have no reason to live.
> > No migraines - I had them horrible as a child and they left while in college.
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> I remember my first migraine as a child. The sensations when I tried to stand were amplified. I would make attempts at standing because I thought it was neat. Thankfully I didn't have too many. They did get worse with time. Then after the birth of my first child no more, but the auras started. They're just like you explained.
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> Why the fatalistic post earlier about not seeking treatment?
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> Willow
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