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Posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 0:37:24
Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
Posted by SalArmy4me on July 22, 2001, at 0:44:43
In reply to Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 0:37:24
Only one study has been used to support the propostition that Omega 3s have a therapeutic effect in bipolar disorder:
Stoll AL. Omega-3 fatty acids in bipolar disorder: a preliminary double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1999; 56:380–1.
Stoll's findings have never been replicated, and he himself sells an expensive Omega-3 product to maximize his personal profits.
> Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
Posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 10:43:46
In reply to Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 0:37:24
Cured is a fairly strong word; forgive me for being skeptical. Could it be that you are in natural remission?. I guess time will tell. Before many of use on this board "try anything" we like to see proof of it's efficacy.Omega-3-fatty acids do have some beneficial effects (lowered cholesterol, etc.). Even high dose omega-3s have shown some promise in bipolar disorder, but someone will have to find a way to concentrate the fatty acids to formulate a dosage that is more managable and also find some way to keep the user from smelling like a fishing boat.
Just my opinion. - Cam
Posted by adamie on July 22, 2001, at 11:42:40
In reply to Re: Cured by Omega 3 !! » Georgie Geordie, posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 10:43:46
> Cured is a fairly strong word; forgive me for being skeptical. Could it be that you are in natural remission?. I guess time will tell. Before many of use on this board "try anything" we like to see proof of it's efficacy.Omega-3-fatty acids do have some beneficial effects (lowered cholesterol, etc.). Even high dose omega-3s have shown some promise in bipolar disorder, but someone will have to find a way to concentrate the fatty acids to formulate a dosage that is more managable and also find some way to keep the user from smelling like a fishing boat.
>
> Just my opinion. - Camhi. I take 4000-6000mg of salmon oil each day which says "is a good source of fish oil" on the bottle.
is fish oil an effective source of omega-3 fatty acids? I have assumed it is but it would be good to get a second oppinion.
Posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 12:13:14
In reply to Re: Cured by Omega 3 !! » Cam W., posted by adamie on July 22, 2001, at 11:42:40
Adamie - Fish oil seems to be the best source of omega-3-fatty acids. I have a feeling, but no proof, that the oil does have some efficacy, especially at the doses you use. I believe that the mechanism of action is intracellular, possibly slowing the phosphoinositol reactions, and thus affecting calcium ion transport within the nerve cell.
I have somewhere in my files the relative concentrations of omega-3-fatty acids in different fish. I think (but am not positive) that salmon oil is higher in omega-3s than others.
Just out of curiosity, do you (or those around you) not a fishy smell coming from you.
- Cam
> hi. I take 4000-6000mg of salmon oil each day which says "is a good source of fish oil" on the bottle.
>
> is fish oil an effective source of omega-3 fatty acids? I have assumed it is but it would be good to get a second oppinion.
Posted by adamie on July 22, 2001, at 12:20:24
In reply to Re: Helped by Omega 3 !! » adamie, posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 12:13:14
> Adamie - Fish oil seems to be the best source of omega-3-fatty acids. I have a feeling, but no proof, that the oil does have some efficacy, especially at the doses you use. I believe that the mechanism of action is intracellular, possibly slowing the phosphoinositol reactions, and thus affecting calcium ion transport within the nerve cell.
>
> I have somewhere in my files the relative concentrations of omega-3-fatty acids in different fish. I think (but am not positive) that salmon oil is higher in omega-3s than others.
>
> Just out of curiosity, do you (or those around you) not a fishy smell coming from you.
>
> - Camno fishy smell from me it seems. only the capsules smell fishy.
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> > hi. I take 4000-6000mg of salmon oil each day which says "is a good source of fish oil" on the bottle.
> >
> > is fish oil an effective source of omega-3 fatty acids? I have assumed it is but it would be good to get a second oppinion.
Posted by Willow on July 22, 2001, at 14:12:01
In reply to Re: Helped by Omega 3 !! » Cam W., posted by adamie on July 22, 2001, at 12:20:24
Doesn't fish oil contain vitamin A? Like cod liver oil? And I believe high dosages can be dangerous in that the body can store excess amounts like iron. Correct me if I'm wrong, Cam or someone?
Willow
Posted by adamie on July 22, 2001, at 14:18:24
In reply to Vitamin A?, posted by Willow on July 22, 2001, at 14:12:01
> Doesn't fish oil contain vitamin A? Like cod liver oil? And I believe high dosages can be dangerous in that the body can store excess amounts like iron. Correct me if I'm wrong, Cam or someone?
>
> WillowMy depression was caused by high ammounts of vitamin A. evil accutane. I hope every day that my life isn't perminently ruined.
Also I highly dought fish oil contains vitamin A.
Posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 14:21:32
In reply to Vitamin A?, posted by Willow on July 22, 2001, at 14:12:01
Willow - I am not sure of the level of vitamin A in most fish oils. I have not heard of any problems with vitamin A toxicity in people using fish oils for bipolar disorder.
Vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin (like vitamins D, E, and K). Fat soluble vitamins build up in fat cells and can cause problems in high levels. For example, eating 1 gram of polar bear liver can kill you due to hypervitaminaosis (sp?).
The point you make has some merit, but I really doubt that the levels of vitamin A in the fish oils used for bipolar disorder is high enough to cause an overdose of vitamin A. (I could be wrong, but I have not seen any literature on this).
- Cam
Posted by Willow on July 22, 2001, at 14:41:00
In reply to Re: Vitamin A? » Willow, posted by Cam W. on July 22, 2001, at 14:21:32
http://thriveonline.oxygen.com/nutrition/vitamins/guide.a.html
Here they say:
too much may be risky
Vitamin A toxicity can occur from animal foods, fortified foods, and/or supplements. Symptoms include loss of hair, headaches, dry skin, vomiting, loss of mineral density in bones, and liver damage. High intakes may increase the risk of birth defects in pregnant women. Upper safe limit of vitamin A from supplements, animal sources, and/or fortified foods is set at 600 µg daily for children ages 1 to 3 years old and at 900 µg a day for those 4 to 8 years old. For those 9 to 13 years old, it is set at 1,700 µg daily, at 2,800 µg for individuals ages 14-18 years old, and at 3,000 µg for those 19 years of age and older.top ten vitamin A-rich foods
liver, 3.5 oz, braised (10,602 µg RAE)
sweet potato, 1/2 cup cooked (958 µg RAE)
carrot, baby, 3 ounces, about 8 (517 µg RAE)
mango, 1 medium (389 µg RAE)
spinach, 2/3 cup cooked, (494 µg RAE)
cantaloupe, 1 cup (213 µg RAE)
squash, acorn, 2/3 cup cooked (244 µg RAE)
milk, 1 cup (149 µg RAE)
egg yolk (84 µg RAE)
mozzarella cheese, part skim, 1 ounce (50 µg RAE)
Willow blowing: fish didn't make the list!
Posted by JohnL on July 22, 2001, at 17:28:17
In reply to Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 0:37:24
> Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
That's awesome to hear how well you're doing. That's great! I could care less if it was omega3, sugar, sjw, orange juice, or whatever. Who cares why or how, as long as you are feeling better. That's how I feel about it.
I like to give all the credit of my own recovery to my three favorite drugs, Prozac+Zyprexa+Adrafinil. But you know what? I have also been taking regular Omega3 for months. HHmmm. I wonder.:-)
John
Posted by JohnL on July 22, 2001, at 17:28:17
In reply to Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 0:37:24
> Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
That's awesome to hear how well you're doing. That's great! I could care less if it was omega3, sugar, sjw, orange juice, or whatever. Who cares why or how, as long as you are feeling better. That's how I feel about it.
I like to give all the credit of my own recovery to my three favorite drugs, Prozac+Zyprexa+Adrafinil. But you know what? I have also been taking regular Omega3 for months. HHmmm. I wonder.:-)
John
Posted by Anna P. on July 22, 2001, at 18:30:51
In reply to Re: Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by JohnL on July 22, 2001, at 17:28:17
> > Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
>
> That's awesome to hear how well you're doing. That's great! I could care less if it was omega3, sugar, sjw, orange juice, or whatever. Who cares why or how, as long as you are feeling better. That's how I feel about it.
>
> I like to give all the credit of my own recovery to my three favorite drugs, Prozac+Zyprexa+Adrafinil. But you know what? I have also been taking regular Omega3 for months. HHmmm. I wonder.:-)
> JohnHi John,
I have a question. I take Zyprexa just like you plus Gabitril.
Is it O'K to add Omega Brite with this combo?Anna P.
Posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 20:10:04
In reply to Re: Cured by Omega 3 !! » Georgie Geordie, posted by SalArmy4me on July 22, 2001, at 0:44:43
> Only one study has been used to support the propostition that Omega 3s have a therapeutic effect in bipolar disorder:
>I tried it when I saw results from Sheffield and Harvard university gave higher remissions in Schizophrenia than that stuff they usually use. Its not a neurotransmitter cure, but what it does do is stop Nerual feedback. It helps reduce swelling and localized buzzing inside the brain. So when this is ok then the front cortex has some hope of grabbing back what it had, perhaps prozac will help as well. I prefer non psychiatric drugs to be honest.
> Stoll AL. Omega-3 fatty acids in bipolar disorder: a preliminary double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Arch Gen Psychiatry 1999; 56:380–1.
>
> Stoll's findings have never been replicated, and he himself sells an expensive Omega-3 product to maximize his personal profits.
>Perhaps if people wait for drug trials it will never happen. Who is going to pay to make it happen ? The drug companies stand to lose not only sales of anti_psychotic but probably a lot of ideas in research now. Omega 3 does what it can due to a very simple idea. If one looks at the brain outside Psychiatry and in terms of Quantum Neurological volumes then it should have been obvious its prone to feedback.
Stoll perhaps is so happy he feels he must sell it. I was so happy I wanted to sell it too, online. Its easy to get cynical if one is prone to that process of deductive thought. I was so happy. But it is really strange not having paranioa now. The stuff that build up in your brain with Schizophrenia is crazy. But I have seen a great deal now, just what perception is as a result of being in that stage and seeing how better reality is, when the craziness subsides.
If this is product he sells that has less bowel dripping qualities i'll be running to him rather than to LOO !!
> > Omega 3 has provide me with freedom to create space again. How many drugs do that ? I feel great, Its a breeze. No side reactions. No psy doc. Try it.
Posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 21:14:37
In reply to Re: Cured by Omega 3 !!, posted by Georgie Geordie on July 22, 2001, at 20:10:04
It seems when I read my post back to myself I thought this is just language. I can say Neural feedback and it means what I know, but to say how my head feels, try to bring a brain that feels like rattling round the skull, all that you do resonates, all sound resonates, all stimuli, questions drive you crazy, sun drives you manic and when it goes hell is life and your body has cracked up with the strain. Bones cracking no strength, but rage. Take an oil, and very quickly it feels like your brain is back on. All of a sudden you become aware of what is round about you. Your head feels like its blown up, you get up and walk out that door happy again. Too good to be true ......
Posted by JohnL on July 23, 2001, at 3:25:32
In reply to Re: JohnL/Omega 3, posted by Anna P. on July 22, 2001, at 18:30:51
>
> Hi John,
>
> I have a question. I take Zyprexa just like you plus Gabitril.
> Is it O'K to add Omega Brite with this combo?
>
> Anna P.Sure! No prob. :-)
John
Posted by Anna P. on July 23, 2001, at 15:43:27
In reply to Re: JohnL/Omega 3, posted by JohnL on July 23, 2001, at 3:25:32
>
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I have a question. I take Zyprexa just like you plus Gabitril.
> > Is it O'K to add Omega Brite with this combo?
> >
> > Anna P.
>
> Sure! No prob. :-)
> John
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