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Posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:21:20
I am a Nardil user on 60mg/ 4 tabs and the heat is driving me crazy. It's only the spring and the heat is coming on fast in NYC (72 degrees today
damn 90 yesterday) it's not helping my bad condition at all. I'm trying too remain focused, but
all the stress and anxiety lead me to becoming depressed. When i'm outside, i completely start
too dissociate. I can't cope anymore. I don't know how. I have to come back home from being outside. I feel safe here. I feel safe being in touch
with trying to reach out too people who are dealing with the same peoblems of depression. I don't know how I survive each day. I'm screaming too be loved and want someone to take care of me and my needs. I don't feel safe. This is not new. However I am more aware this time. I think this is good that i am becoming more aware of my trauma but I cant feel hopeful/ stable. I'm fighting all the time too hold on. I keep using thoughts like
I have to be in a hospital/psych ward, or I have to get out of this city, i can't deal anymore. I don't feel comforted by anybody. I'm all alone. I'm 30 years old and feel its too late. I don't want to kill myself,
but I use that as a way of surviving/ feeling comforted/ not having to deal with the pain. And aside from this I generally can't feel any control.
I know too much control is not good. But I can't be in the moment. How can i persue any of my goals
or focus on my problems, if they are just eating me
up. I'm confused because I really have no choice but to try to survive doing this all by myself. The Nardil helps, it's better than not being on AD's at all. I'm confused because I believe that the more I deal with these thoughts and feelings the better
I will adjust in the future. Is that true or am i trying to be brave. 60 mg is the max, but the heat is killing me. My Dr. would add lithium next. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm completely desperate.
Posted by MarieMurph on May 5, 2001, at 16:33:43
In reply to HELP, Cant cope, posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:21:20
OKay, it's okay, calm down..... I completely understand. I know exactly where your coming from about the heat. Whenever it's really hot out like it has been for the past couple days (90 and above!!), I feel like i cant even think to deal with anything. I too, get the feelings of unreality, and feel panic attacks start to come quite quickly. My heart flutters, and I have no control, I dont even like to leave my house, or my air condidtioned car when its hot out. I hope it makes you feel better that your not alone and I wish you the best of luck, please write back and let us know how your doing. Have you tried any SSRI's or Benzo's??... do you have anxiety or just depression??---MARIE
Posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:49:35
In reply to Re: HELP, Cant cope, posted by MarieMurph on May 5, 2001, at 16:33:43
thanks Mary-
i feel calmer now that i'm on line and trying to connect. I also just remembered that i popped a tranquilizer about a half hour ago. I was wondering why all of the sudden I felt better and not thinking so much. It bothers ne when I forget because I think my mind has relaxed on its own. I'm so hard on myself.
Posted by Dubya on May 5, 2001, at 17:18:29
In reply to Re: HELP, Cant cope, posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:49:35
I think I feel the same way. I make an excuse to friends that, "summer is such a distraction for me because, too many things to do and I get disctracted easily". So through that, I will try to avoid association with others and stay home. I do obssess that I am always being scrutinized or judged in public. I too have a problem achieving my goals. Again like you said, too much power isn't good and I can see that you are not greedy (nor am I or some others in this forum); we need to feel a sense of control. I swear, if you ask me to pick up someone from the train station (I am 20yrs old and have a car), within 10 mins, I will totally forget. Ironically, I will still be able to estimate the exact time it is at the current moment without a watch or clock in sight. I hope you feel better CRAMX2.
Posted by Elisabeth on May 5, 2001, at 17:57:03
In reply to Re: HELP, Cant cope CRAMX2, posted by Dubya on May 5, 2001, at 17:18:29
Yes, the heat was horrid...it's cooler today. I live in a small area of New England and we have no AC.
I know what you mean. I can do my income taxes with software but can't remember which street to take to the grocery store and sometimes worry I will have an accident with the car!
You are not alone in trying to want some basic control and feel adrift. It's so frustrating to go out and see well-adjusted people shopping, eating out and doing things. Sure everyone has problems, but you can see in their eyes they don't have this pain we do.
Oh....drink more water and juices. It helped during the worst heat so far for me.
Hang in there!
Posted by SalArmy4me on May 5, 2001, at 23:12:25
In reply to HELP, Cant cope, posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:21:20
A trial of lithium could benefit you greatly, sometimes the effect is noticable within 48 to 72 hours: http://www.med.nyu.edu/Psych/aug/
> I am a Nardil user on 60mg/ 4 tabs and the heat is driving me crazy. It's only the spring and the heat is coming on fast in NYC (72 degrees today
> damn 90 yesterday) it's not helping my bad condition at all. I'm trying too remain focused, but
> all the stress and anxiety lead me to becoming depressed. When i'm outside, i completely start
> too dissociate. I can't cope anymore. I don't know how. I have to come back home from being outside. I feel safe here. I feel safe being in touch
> with trying to reach out too people who are dealing with the same peoblems of depression. I don't know how I survive each day. I'm screaming too be loved and want someone to take care of me and my needs. I don't feel safe. This is not new. However I am more aware this time. I think this is good that i am becoming more aware of my trauma but I cant feel hopeful/ stable. I'm fighting all the time too hold on. I keep using thoughts like
> I have to be in a hospital/psych ward, or I have to get out of this city, i can't deal anymore. I don't feel comforted by anybody. I'm all alone. I'm 30 years old and feel its too late. I don't want to kill myself,
> but I use that as a way of surviving/ feeling comforted/ not having to deal with the pain. And aside from this I generally can't feel any control.
> I know too much control is not good. But I can't be in the moment. How can i persue any of my goals
> or focus on my problems, if they are just eating me
> up. I'm confused because I really have no choice but to try to survive doing this all by myself. The Nardil helps, it's better than not being on AD's at all. I'm confused because I believe that the more I deal with these thoughts and feelings the better
> I will adjust in the future. Is that true or am i trying to be brave. 60 mg is the max, but the heat is killing me. My Dr. would add lithium next. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm completely desperate.
Posted by Wendy B on May 6, 2001, at 9:22:37
In reply to Re: HELP, Cant cope, posted by SalArmy4me on May 5, 2001, at 23:12:25
Dear SalArmy,
How do you know if lithium would work for this person? CramX2 has not even given us a diagnosis from the pdoc, a list of what medications s/he has already tried, if they're in therapy, how that's worked for them, etc...
Obviously there is an anxiety component here, possibly panic attacks, but it may be no more than that. Putting this person on lithium may be totally contraindicated.
I am really uncomfortable about 'informing' someone what might be best for them to try, when we don't have all the facts. Helpful suggestions on our part may turn into someone else's nightmare.
This is also a new poster to the BBoard, and we must take it slow, offer sympathy & emotional support, as I know you do, but get the facts of the person's history first.
Sorry, but I really feel I had to say that, and it's all IMHO, you know. Lithium is a tough drug, needs to be monitored closely by taking blood levels frequently, and causes a lot of other side efects that this person may not want to deal with, along with all the other crap they're going through right now.Does this make any sense? I don't mean to get all riled up, but please go easy on the 'medical' advice...
CramX2, sorry to talk about you in the third person here. I will post something to you right away...
Wendy B.
> A trial of lithium could benefit you greatly, sometimes the effect is noticable within 48 to 72 hours: http://www.med.nyu.edu/Psych/aug/
Posted by kid47 on May 6, 2001, at 12:50:19
In reply to HELP, Cant cope, posted by cramx2 on May 5, 2001, at 16:21:20
Hi. Man can I relate. When I was hospitalized with major depression & anxiety I thought my life was over. It was even more devastating because I was 46 yrs old married with 2 kids. After the usual frustrating med trials, my Bipolar II was finally properly dx'd & the correct med regimine rx'd. That was about 2yrs ago & my life is better than it has ever been!! During that time the phrase "Do what I can when I can" became my mantra; along with "this too shall pass" Trite cliches maybe but these two simple phrases became my life line. I won't bore you with any more details....but please don't give up. I know this is a woefully inadequate post but I really do empathize. Take care & keep posting.
> I am a Nardil user on 60mg/ 4 tabs and the heat is driving me crazy. It's only the spring and the heat is coming on fast in NYC (72 degrees today
> damn 90 yesterday) it's not helping my bad condition at all. I'm trying too remain focused, but
> all the stress and anxiety lead me to becoming depressed. When i'm outside, i completely start
> too dissociate. I can't cope anymore. I don't know how. I have to come back home from being outside. I feel safe here. I feel safe being in touch
> with trying to reach out too people who are dealing with the same peoblems of depression. I don't know how I survive each day. I'm screaming too be loved and want someone to take care of me and my needs. I don't feel safe. This is not new. However I am more aware this time. I think this is good that i am becoming more aware of my trauma but I cant feel hopeful/ stable. I'm fighting all the time too hold on. I keep using thoughts like
> I have to be in a hospital/psych ward, or I have to get out of this city, i can't deal anymore. I don't feel comforted by anybody. I'm all alone. I'm 30 years old and feel its too late. I don't want to kill myself,
> but I use that as a way of surviving/ feeling comforted/ not having to deal with the pain. And aside from this I generally can't feel any control.
> I know too much control is not good. But I can't be in the moment. How can i persue any of my goals
> or focus on my problems, if they are just eating me
> up. I'm confused because I really have no choice but to try to survive doing this all by myself. The Nardil helps, it's better than not being on AD's at all. I'm confused because I believe that the more I deal with these thoughts and feelings the better
> I will adjust in the future. Is that true or am i trying to be brave. 60 mg is the max, but the heat is killing me. My Dr. would add lithium next. I don't know what to do at this point. I'm completely desperate.
Posted by Elisabeth on May 6, 2001, at 13:27:44
In reply to Re: HELP, Cant cope, SalArmy, please wait!, posted by Wendy B on May 6, 2001, at 9:22:37
I have low blood pressure (100/70) and cannot take tricyclic AD's OR lithium. Once when I had to be evaluated by an independent psydoc (MD) for my soc sec disability....he suggested to MY psydoc (MD) that I be put on a cocktail with lithium. My doc was really cheesed off! I could have had a real heart failure problem. I am glad I have a strong relationship with my psydoc who understands also I am VERY sensitive to all drugs and must start out anything very low low dose and may not even graduate...but change to something else.
Also, my mother was bipolar and her GP gave her Prozac...she flew into a high rage manic episode that almost landed her in a psych ward. He was treating her Parkinson's and was way off on those meds too. Finally got her to a neuro and a psydoc too. She did much much better for many years.
Only a professional can truly recommend meds...I have to agree with Wendy.
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