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Posted by Lisa Simpson on January 19, 2001, at 10:34:50
Hello everyone.
Please, someone help me. I'm in desperate need of someone to talk to, like a psychotherapist or, preferably, a psychiatrist, as he has to be trained as a doctor first, so would understand my medical conditions as well. But I'm not sure how to do this as I live in England. Must I be referred by my GP if I want to get help under the NHS? My doctor referred to me a private psychotherapist, who I'm sure is very good, but charges £90 a session, which I cannot afford! If there is anyone out there who could give me some advice on finding some help under the NHS, I'd really appreciate it. I feel as if I'm slowly going out of my mind. My GP doesn't really understand - for instance, with panic attacks he feels that I should just be able to "pull myself together" and use willpower to stop them. Which is not possible, as far as I can see! He also doesn't have the time to listen to all the funny things going through my mind at the moment. I drink myself into oblivion every night so I can get some sleep. I tried several times to stop drinking, but I just can't keep it up. I need someone on my side to help me. My husband has trouble dealing with my medical problems (I have asthma and ulcerative colitis), and he certainly can't deal with any mental problems. He is as stable as they come, and he really doesn't understand why I do the things I do. He said to me "if you don't like yourself very much, why should I?", which really, really hurt me. Eight years ago when I found out I was pregnant (a surprise) I can't remember his exact words, but it something along the lines of running a hot bath, getting a bottle of gin and a knitting needle. His idea of a joke. Not the sort thing you want to be told at that time in your life. And all the time I was pregnant, he took hardly any interest in us. I went to prenatal sessions on my own. I did everything on my own. It was almost as if I wasn't pregant at all, for all the interest he took. Mind you, he adores her now - she is a lovely beautiful girl, with huge brown eyes and a lovely, generous character.
Please, if there is anyone who can offer some help, I'd really appreciate it. If it wasn't for the fact I have a 8 year old daughter who loves me (and she is the only one who does), I don't feel there would be any point in me staying on this planet. But I wouldn't want to upset her. My husband would probably be relieved that he didn't have me and my problems hanging round his neck any more. When I nearly died two years ago from pneumonia, I read a letter he'd written on the computer to a friend telling him I was seriously ill. And his only concern was being left on his own to bring up a 6 year old girl. There was no concern for me in the letter. I was in the States at the time, with my boss and his wife, and they offered to fly him out to see me in hospital, as they didn't think I would survive beyond a couple of days. But he didn't want to go.
Look, I'm really sorry to load you all up with this rabbiting on, but I'm feeling kinda sorry for myself today (as you can probably see!) But if anyone in the UK knows how I can get some help, please tell me. Please.
A very miserable Lisa
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 19, 2001, at 12:59:53
In reply to Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 19, 2001, at 10:34:50
Hi Lisa,
I'm in the UK, and live in London. I don't recall you saying where you are.
Well, the c**t you saw before sounds awful. I would ahve taken action if I was you.
I got referred to a psychiatrist by my GP and they kinda work together to get my problems sorted, so both are very aware of any other problems. Also, the psychisatrist reffrs me on to others he think can help me.
Speak to your GP (and make sure your GP notes those concerns about the other guy you saw) and get reffered on NHS... Mail me if you have any other queries and I'll do what I can to help.Nikki xx
Posted by dreamer on January 19, 2001, at 14:08:18
In reply to Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 19, 2001, at 10:34:50
> Hello everyone.
>
> Please, someone help me. I'm in desperate need of someone to talk to, like a psychotherapist or, preferably, a psychiatrist, as he has to be trained as a doctor first, so would understand my medical conditions as well. But I'm not sure how to do this as I live in England. Must I be referred by my GP if I want to get help under the NHS? My doctor referred to me a private psychotherapist, who I'm sure is very good, but charges £90 a session, which I cannot afford! If there is anyone out there who could give me some advice on finding some help under the NHS, I'd really appreciate it. I feel as if I'm slowly going out of my mind. My GP doesn't really understand - for instance, with panic attacks he feels that I should just be able to "pull myself together" and use willpower to stop them. Which is not possible, as far as I can see! He also doesn't have the time to listen to all the funny things going through my mind at the moment. I drink myself into oblivion every night so I can get some sleep. I tried several times to stop drinking, but I just can't keep it up. I need someone on my side to help me. My husband has trouble dealing with my medical problems (I have asthma and ulcerative colitis), and he certainly can't deal with any mental problems. He is as stable as they come, and he really doesn't understand why I do the things I do. He said to me "if you don't like yourself very much, why should I?", which really, really hurt me. Eight years ago when I found out I was pregnant (a surprise) I can't remember his exact words, but it something along the lines of running a hot bath, getting a bottle of gin and a knitting needle. His idea of a joke. Not the sort thing you want to be told at that time in your life. And all the time I was pregnant, he took hardly any interest in us. I went to prenatal sessions on my own. I did everything on my own. It was almost as if I wasn't pregant at all, for all the interest he took. Mind you, he adores her now - she is a lovely beautiful girl, with huge brown eyes and a lovely, generous character.
>
> Please, if there is anyone who can offer some help, I'd really appreciate it. If it wasn't for the fact I have a 8 year old daughter who loves me (and she is the only one who does), I don't feel there would be any point in me staying on this planet. But I wouldn't want to upset her. My husband would probably be relieved that he didn't have me and my problems hanging round his neck any more. When I nearly died two years ago from pneumonia, I read a letter he'd written on the computer to a friend telling him I was seriously ill. And his only concern was being left on his own to bring up a 6 year old girl. There was no concern for me in the letter. I was in the States at the time, with my boss and his wife, and they offered to fly him out to see me in hospital, as they didn't think I would survive beyond a couple of days. But he didn't want to go.
>
> Look, I'm really sorry to load you all up with this rabbiting on, but I'm feeling kinda sorry for myself today (as you can probably see!) But if anyone in the UK knows how I can get some help, please tell me. Please.
>
> A very miserable LisaLisa,
It is difficult,I genuinely sympathise for I also have had a similar experience in uk.Your local GP
automatically treats patients under the NHS and should make referrals to a NHS psychiatrist.I suggested to my GP to refer me to a private psychotherapist because i needed help quickly which was a big mistake as he just kept looking at his watch and nodding in an arrogant manner.
I changed my doctor three times before I found the right one who was able to see what state i was in.I also had a drink problem because I couldnt sleep,the drinking is a clear sign that something is wrong,and my level-headed partner couldn't wake up to my problems,i felt totally alone.
There is help out there but it can take time.Im sorry my advice is so sketchy but i advise you to pester your GP or alternatively pester a new one.Doctors are never interested in domestic issues and I know how frustrating it is to have nobody to talk to who could direct you towards a way of helping you to unravel and solve the mess.
First start by telling the GP about your drink problem and that you cant stop.The problem isn't the drink but something underlying.If things get really bad there's always someone in a psychiatric resource centre your local hospital will know -they wont lock you up!but they will certainly get things moving.
Hope this helps,take care.
Posted by Lisa Simpson on January 22, 2001, at 4:05:30
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by dreamer on January 19, 2001, at 14:08:18
Thank you both very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. I have asked my GP to refer me to a psychotherapist or such like, and he has promised to do so, though he says it will take a long, long time to come through. In the meantime, what do I do? I feel with all the thoughts that go through my head sometimes that I must be going completely crazy. I also feel that I want to sleep all the time. Is that a symptom of something? I wish I could spend the whole day in bed.
Lisa
Posted by Neal on January 22, 2001, at 13:55:29
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 22, 2001, at 4:05:30
>My GP doesn't really understand - for instance, with panic attacks he feels that I should just be able to "pull myself together" and use willpower to stop them.
Lisa;
If your GP believes this, then he's not going to any help. You have panic attacks and what sounds like to me, depression. If I were you, I'd find a private therapist fast. Don't wait for the National Health Service, it takes months. Don't wait for months. It's expensive, but I'd find the money somehow.You found this board. That means your aware of the problem. Keep reading and posting. Read the past periods. There's a wealth of info there. There's another board that deals exclusively with panic attacks. It's web address is: http://www.algy.com/pdi/BBS/index.html
(be sure to scroll down when you get there).Good luck, hope this helps.
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 22, 2001, at 15:23:28
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Neal on January 22, 2001, at 13:55:29
Lisa,
my gp said it oculd be ages, but I managed to get into see a pdoc within about 4 weeks of getting refferred, so it might not be as long as you think it might.
he's not a therapist, but he is pretty good, and doesn't believe I should pull myself togetehr like so many gp's... fingers crossed for ya!
Nikki xx
Posted by dreamer on January 22, 2001, at 20:01:40
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 22, 2001, at 4:05:30
> Thank you both very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. I have asked my GP to refer me to a psychotherapist or such like, and he has promised to do so, though he says it will take a long, long time to come through. In the meantime, what do I do? I feel with all the thoughts that go through my head sometimes that I must be going completely crazy. I also feel that I want to sleep all the time. Is that a symptom of something? I wish I could spend the whole day in bed.
>
> LisaHello Lisa
The NHS can seem like a No Hope Service your GP should of prescribed something to help you .If you can go private do.Seems the NHS only act quickly if your a danger to yourself or others but then how do they know if you can't get to see someone,it's all crazy.
All them thoughts racing around in your head and self analysing will wear you out,get some kip as much as you can.You will get better.dreamer
Posted by GLYN on January 23, 2001, at 4:54:56
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by dreamer on January 22, 2001, at 20:01:40
Well Lisa, sure sounds familiar to me. I live in Manchester and had the same experience - either you will be dead, crazy or nuts before you see a shrink. If you want my advice, stop seeing your doctor and the world of medicine as your primary route out of this.
I started having panic attacks, terrible shaking of the hands and legs that never ceased and a whole host of awful physical symptoms so strong I was sure I would die or go crazy - and I dont joke here, I spent most of my day and night trying to banish obsessive thoughts I was going mad - even though I had no real evidence other than anxiety and the fear I was going loopy.
This quickly escalated into a full nervous breakdown where I felt unable to do anything and was terrified to even leave the house. Its a fairly common experience but one which, in my experience, is just about the worst experience a person can ever have - I would rank it alongside with death of a spouse etc.
But my point is, I sure wish I had learnt earlier that my GP didn't have the answers I needed. There are reasons why people have anxiety attacks and depression and 7 minutes with a doc will not get to the route of it however often you go. Neither, in my opinion, is seeing a shrink going to be your answer - though it would be of some some use if you could get reffered. Many shrinks will simply try to force their own perceptions onto you - ok, not force but certainly by implication.
The fact is, as awful as your experience is it is actualy very common, fairly simple to understand, very successfully treated and certainly never develops into madness of the pink elephant kind.
It sounds to me like low self esteem, relationship problems and other stuff are causing you to feel down about yourself. As is often the case when we get depressed (especially if we have dependants) the mind realises that something is seriously wrong and threatening it and the well being of yourself and your children so it startles itself into alert thus causing anxiety and panic. Trouble with panic is that it quickly becomes a vicous circle. All creatures with a central nervous system can experience panic as it is the classic fight/flight response (hence the physical symptoms people get such as breathing difficulties, lightheadiness, churning stomache, shaking etc etc etc) but we as "rational beings in cosy worlds" are so unacustomed to this sensation it scares us, we think we are dying/going crazy etc and we stimulate even more anxiety and panic through nothing more than fear of fear itself until we uttrerly exhaust and fatigue our minds and bodies - be wary of the fatigued mind as it can play tricks on you and even become obsessive but it doesn't mean its crazy just without the strength to resist.My advice is as follows - take it or leave it as I'm no GP. First, get yourself to an AA meeting - "but I'm not an alcoholic" you say - well maybe not but you do use drink in the wrong way and nipping it in the bud is essential. Going to AA doesn't mean you have to stop drinking but it brings it out in the open and you can talk over all of your problems that uyou describe above with loving and supportive poeople - better than therapy any day. Next, and I mean the same day, go to the GP and tell him you want an SSRI anti depressive medication - Celexa or Citalporam are especially good as they target depression and anxiety and aren't addictive. Make sure he starts you on a real low dose for a month and then ups it or else it can cause even more anxiety. If the pills make you anxious demand half a dozen diazepam (valium) to get you over the worst times - they take 4 weeks to work, make you feel worsefor a while but are literaly fantastic when they finaly kick in. One other thing, try to lay off your reliever inhaler. Overuse (more than 2 3 tmes a day) can cause a build up of chemicals which constantly stimulate adreneline and can worsen anxiety and even cause panic attacks. I found when I went on citalopram I cut down from about 6 puffs a day to 1 and gave up the preventer altogether - asthma is very much linked to our emotions and you can become dependant on inhalers.
Finaly, get soime books on deprerssion and anxiety - especially those tha take a behaviour therapy approach - again I would r5ather have any book by Marion Weekes for example than half a dozen visits to a shrink.
Most importantly rest and try to turn all of that frustration with your GP and NHS towards solving your minds little riddle of a problem - Frued would say that the unconscious mind is deliberately distracting you away from the real solution to your problems (the unconscious mind tries to protect itself according to Freud).
Sounds corny but I really think that only you have tghe answer and the solution to your problems and you have a mystery of the famous five proportion to solve.
Good luck and God bless you.
Glyn
Posted by JahL on January 23, 2001, at 11:07:53
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by dreamer on January 22, 2001, at 20:01:40
> Hello Lisa
> The NHS can seem like a No Hope Service your GP should of prescribed something to help you .If you can go private do.Seems the NHS only act quickly if your a danger to yourself or others but then how do they know if you can't get to see someone,it's all crazy.
> All them thoughts racing around in your head and self analysing will wear you out,get some kip as much as you can.You will get better.
>
> dreamerYup, it's all true Lisa.
I doubt very much you will get the type of help you want, at least not within the time-frame you need it.
GPs are ill-qualified to prescribe psychiatric meds, and when you finally get to see a qualified psychiatrist the type of treatment you will be elegible for seems tightly restricted by NHS guidelines (ie. sparce psychotherapy or SSRI, Lithium, ECT).
I've given up on British medicine altogether (lazy & complacent IMO) & now consult a US pdoc via e-mail/phone.
My advice to you is; impress upon yr GP the urgency of yr situation; try & go private if you can (only prohibitively expensive if you require drawn-out psychotherapy) & learn everything you can about meds (& other possible treatment options) from well-informed sites such as this.
Beyond that; good luck.
Jah.
Posted by Leonardo on January 23, 2001, at 13:00:37
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 22, 2001, at 4:05:30
> Thank you both very much for your kind and thoughtful replies. I have asked my GP to refer me to a psychotherapist or such like, and he has promised to do so, though he says it will take a long, long time to come through. In the meantime, what do I do? I feel with all the thoughts that go through my head sometimes that I must be going completely crazy. I also feel that I want to sleep all the time. Is that a symptom of something? I wish I could spend the whole day in bed.
>
> LisaHi Lisa!
Hope you are feeling better today. I have 3 years experience of trying to get help for depression etc on the UK NHS (Surrey), but it is very hit and miss. Your tiredness may well be a symptom of depression (one of the classic symptoms, I have it too, especially in the winter).
To cut a long story short, from my experience I think you sould try to get referred to a good psychiatrist (not a therapist or psychologist) as your first priority, even if it means going to a private one. You probably will need a referral from your GP for this (I did). This is because, apart from your GP, only a pyschiatrist (Pdoc in US-speak) can prescribe you medication (therapists can't). I found that I made little progress with any therapist until I had an effective medication, and that seems to be the preferred approach in the UK from my experience (ie if you are very depressed/anxious/panicy or whatever, you will not be able to focus enough to make use of any therapy sessions, and they will be a waste of time and money).
At the moment I am seeing a private psychiatrist, and an NHS therapist, though I am about to lose the therapist - I have long ago used up my 'allocation' of sessions.
I managed to get the referral to my current psychiatrist from my previous NHS one when he had 'finished' with me. This was mainly to see a specialist to be assessed for Seasonal Affective Disorder, but now I am on his books I can see him for my other problems as well, as much as I or my insurance can afford (he charges £67 per 30 min session, I think I got quite a good deal somehow). I have to travel out of my area (Southampton) to see an S.A.D. specialist, as there aren't many in the UK. He is also a University Professor, and much more 'on the ball' than the previous NHS psychiatrist, so maybe you could find someone at a nearby university.
For the NHS route, what I learned was this:
The magic words to get my GP to take action were 'suicidal thoughts', ie if they think you may be a danger to yourself, then you get pushed to the top of the queue. It does depend on how switched on the GP is though, I started to get action when a new GP came into my local practice. She wrote urgent reminders to the psychiatric services, and I then got an appointment through quite quickly (after about a 1 year wait).
Ideally you need a psychiatrist, who can prescribe you suitable drugs, AND some kind of therapist (pschologist) who can help you talk through your problems. I have been seeing a Cognitive Behavioural Therapist on the NHS for over a year. I also managed to get a spell attending sessions in a day care centre, but I'm not sure they helped much.
The NHS psychiatrist may well try to get you 'off his books' as soon as you have a vaguely successful medication, as they always have a waiting list. I only saw the NHS psychiatrist a couple of times, otherwise it was his assistant (SHO), or the Community psychiatric nurse. The CPN was quite good support when I was going through the worst times.
Given the things you have been through, it is not surprising if you are depressed. Getting fully better will eventually require you to address the things which got you into your present situation, but appropriate medication should give you the boost you need to work through your problems.
Shout if you want any more info, and hang on, it will get better eventually!
Best wishes
LeonardoPS I found that watching the Simpsons and trying to have a good laugh does actually help!
Posted by Lisa Simpson on January 25, 2001, at 10:56:08
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by Leonardo on January 23, 2001, at 13:00:37
Hi everyone - thanks for your replies.
Glyn, when I read your post, it's almost as if you know me. It's so true. Like how did you know that I use my inhaler far more than I should? It's something that worried me, but I just couldn't help it. When I can't breathe, even though I know it's a panic attack and not asthma, I still find I need the inhaler - it helps. Psychologically, I guess.
You're right about the AA - I am an alcoholic. I have to be, with the amount of alcohol I drink. At least half a bottle of spirits a night, even starting to have a drink in the mornings to help start the day.
You say I have a great problem to solve, and only I can do it. You're right, but I still need help. I can't do it on my own. I just can't. What I really need is someone I can physically talk to... but that is not possible. As I said, my husband is less than sympathetic, and I know no-one else who would happily listen to my problems over the phone or in person on a regular basis!
Thank you for your advice - I really appreciate it.
Jahl, I would be very interested to hear more about your email consultant, if you wouldn't mind. That sounds interesting.
Hi Leonardo! I live in Surrey, too. Would you be prepared to let me have details of your psychiatrist to see if he would see me? If he's close enough, that is. (I live in Kingston upon Thames.) Thanks for all your advice. And you're right about the Simpsons - they are about the only thing that makes me laugh these days!
It always amazes me how people respond here on this site, and how kind they are, and how generous they are with their time. I really appreciate it. I just wish some of you lived a bit nearer, so I could talk in person!
Lisa
(saxamaphone...)
Posted by Lisa Simpson on January 25, 2001, at 11:31:56
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 25, 2001, at 10:56:08
Just wanted to add, this panic thing is getting really silly. It's got to the point where I'm frightened to get into the bath if I'm in the house on my own. I won't do it. Firstly, I might have another fit and drown. Secondly, I might start panicking, and not be able to get out of the bath in time to reach my inhaler. Now isn't that the silliest thing you've ever heard? I'm just like a baby. If I say to my husband, please can you not leave the house until I've had this quick bath, he just raises his eyes to the ceiling as if I'm lost my mind totally. So I don't ask. I just make sure he's there in the house somewhere when I have a bath. If course, that's even sillier, 'cos he never comes upstairs to see if I'm OK, so I could still suffocate/drown, couldn't I, and it not be known until too late! Sigh. Oh well, I can always start taking showers instead. :)
Lisa
Posted by Leonardo on January 26, 2001, at 5:58:00
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by Lisa Simpson on January 25, 2001, at 10:56:08
Lisa
I can email you details of my psychiatrist if you like - mail me at leonardo_da_vinci@my-deja.com with your email address.
As Glyb says, in the end you have to get to the root of the things that sre giving you problems and sort them out, but you do need some help first!
Re the panic attacks, I found that the herbal remedy valerian was moderately effective for me as a temporary relief. It's not very strong, but may be worth a try (I use Valerina).
Good luck!
Leonardo> Hi everyone - thanks for your replies.
>
> Glyn, when I read your post, it's almost as if you know me. It's so true. Like how did you know that I use my inhaler far more than I should? It's something that worried me, but I just couldn't help it. When I can't breathe, even though I know it's a panic attack and not asthma, I still find I need the inhaler - it helps. Psychologically, I guess.
>
> You're right about the AA - I am an alcoholic. I have to be, with the amount of alcohol I drink. At least half a bottle of spirits a night, even starting to have a drink in the mornings to help start the day.
>
> You say I have a great problem to solve, and only I can do it. You're right, but I still need help. I can't do it on my own. I just can't. What I really need is someone I can physically talk to... but that is not possible. As I said, my husband is less than sympathetic, and I know no-one else who would happily listen to my problems over the phone or in person on a regular basis!
>
> Thank you for your advice - I really appreciate it.
>
> Jahl, I would be very interested to hear more about your email consultant, if you wouldn't mind. That sounds interesting.
>
> Hi Leonardo! I live in Surrey, too. Would you be prepared to let me have details of your psychiatrist to see if he would see me? If he's close enough, that is. (I live in Kingston upon Thames.) Thanks for all your advice. And you're right about the Simpsons - they are about the only thing that makes me laugh these days!
>
> It always amazes me how people respond here on this site, and how kind they are, and how generous they are with their time. I really appreciate it. I just wish some of you lived a bit nearer, so I could talk in person!
>
> Lisa
> (saxamaphone...)
Posted by GLYN on January 26, 2001, at 9:29:58
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by Leonardo on January 26, 2001, at 5:58:00
Lisa,
I had to laugh when you mentioned that about the inhaler in the bath - I do that too. Ever walk down the road and suddenly think you might have left it at home? The sense of panic is enormous. The thing I am learning is this: Most of the tiume I think I need my inhaler I really dont. I am often experiencing shortness of breath due to anxiety (a very, very symptom of anxiety indeed). I have tried to reduce my intake of the inhaler by trying deep breathing exercises when I get nervy and it amazes me how often I really dont need it - try it - I reduced my anxiety by 50%.
A word of encouragement here, anxiety disorders like you are expereincing are extremely common, not a sign you are a loony, almost always temporary and respond EXTREMELY well to treatment. In fact I wouls say I am almost completely cured.
My mum has had the same thing a few times in her life and she loaned me a book which, without any exageration, almost completely cured me within the first hour of reading it as it exaplins that in fact you are afraid of nothing more than fear itself and all of your bad experiences and horrifying bodily sensations are in fact not dangerous at all but part of a natural, healthy fight or flight response. It also maps in simple steps how to overcome your problems easily and without too much pain. When I read it it was as if the author knew me amnd just that alone made me feel better.
The book is quite old and rather laughable called "self help for your nerves" - sounds cheesy but its great. Its by Marion Weekes. It may be out of print now so if you like I could mail it to you (no charge). If you dont want to mail me your address then I'll send it to a PO BOX, afriends house or your work place if you prefer.Now, the other thing. Are you on medication? You really do need to be. Its not defeat, its just better than the booze. If you really do drink the way you describe I strongly suggest telling your GP about it. I may make myself unpopular here but I have been a drunk and I've been on Valium and I'd rather have the valium anyday (You never see a valium addict lying in the street and asking for change do you ?). Valium is extremely good at treating anxiety, within minutes you'll feel relaxed, happy and confident - the trouble is it wears off and after a few months of use you'll find it hard to give up and less effective than it used to be.
However, if you resolve to stop drinking (valium makes this easy even for a drunk as it works on the same area of the brain and has a similar effect to alcohol yet without the booziness) and instead just take 2 mg of valium when you feel more anxiou than you can cope with I reckon you would be in a happier state than you are now. HOWEVER - dont take it unless you really need to and only see it as a occasional rest from the exhaustion of anxiety.
Now, one more point, you have less chance of getting valium (diazepam) from a doctor than winning the lottery in the UK - because they have decided to stop dealing it out due to bad pressand instead prefer to give out dangerous antipsychotics as tranquiliser - I know this because my wife is a doctor (I am too but, alas, not a medical one but an academic).
However, I buy my valium online from a chemist in India - they always delivfer quickly and its always what I ordered and its cheap. I think I recently paid £40 for 500 pills including delivery cost (which was more than half the cost of the total).
Valium is safe and stable drug but like fire, it is a great servant but a very bad master so be careful.I buy online from www.indian-drugstore.com (I'm not affiliated by the way) and as I said they are a great source as most online chemists never deliver or else charge silly prices.
At the very least I would recommend the book - just promise to return it if you do want to borrow as it is my Mum's :-)
Best wishes (and please no lectures about drug pushing everyone you have no idea how narrow minded the NHS is in the UK - and who said state healthcare was a good thing?)
mail me at Glynwinter@hotmail.com if you want the book.
Glyn
Posted by Lisa Simpson on January 27, 2001, at 2:28:21
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please? » Lisa Simpson, posted by Leonardo on January 26, 2001, at 5:58:00
Hi Leonardo - thanks for your advice. Can you tell me though, please, whereabouts in Surrey your psychiatrist lives? Thanks!
Lisa
Posted by NikkiT2 on January 27, 2001, at 8:49:18
In reply to Re: Any UK people out there, please?, posted by GLYN on January 26, 2001, at 9:29:58
Is the valium riuling new?? I've been having no real problems getting valium in the past - for flights, dentist appintments etc etc.. But as I had some spare ones left over, I've been using them recently and have found they really helped... so was thinking of asking for some more when I visit the doc next week.
If they're gonn abe hard to get hold of, I might simply use your indian thing!!!
Nikki
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