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Posted by Lexie on October 15, 2000, at 18:55:59
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by Racer on October 15, 2000, at 14:56:21
Did anyone mention Patty Duke, Actress and Author of the books, Call Me Anna and A Brillant Madness (Living with Manic-Depressive Illness). The list goes on and on. Sounds like we are not alone. Lexie
Posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:21:13
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
Most recently, Sporty Spice (Melanie something) - admitted to suffering from depression and currently on meds. Go figure. It helps to know that even the most successful people out there are affected by these disorders; makes me feel less of an idiot for having this.
Posted by Cindy W on October 15, 2000, at 19:57:26
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love » pullmarine, posted by Tori on October 15, 2000, at 19:21:13
> Most recently, Sporty Spice (Melanie something) - admitted to suffering from depression and currently on meds. Go figure. It helps to know that even the most successful people out there are affected by these disorders; makes me feel less of an idiot for having this.
Don't forget Howard Hughes, who was a wealthy pilot (of sorts) who probably had OCD (saved his own fingernail clippings and urine, and had his staff of servants follow intricate instructions, e.g., to wash a can before opening it, only give him the middle of three magazines, etc.).
Posted by alicefranklin on October 15, 2000, at 21:02:34
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by Cindy W on October 15, 2000, at 19:57:26
Lou Reed - artist - ECTd against his will in an attempt to alter his sexual preference
Posted by shar on October 15, 2000, at 22:08:43
In reply to Re: Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by alicefranklin on October 15, 2000, at 21:02:34
Alfred Hitchcock: Don't know if OCD, but many odd behaviors.
Posted by stjames on October 16, 2000, at 0:08:10
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by Racer on October 15, 2000, at 14:56:21
> That poor woman received one of the ice pick lobotomies which were so popular at the time! Poor thing, brain mutilation!
James here....
The so called "button hook" operation.
Lincoln was a depressive or bi-polor. His law partner reported
him dissapearing into his office and taking no visitors for weeks.
Lincoln also wrote about his black moods.Schumann went coo coo, not able to compose unless
is feet were in water, ect. It did not help that he
ruined one hand using some gaget to improve reach.
Clara Schumann was also fooling around with Brahms.Tchaikovsky was very unhappy and depressed. Never delt with being gay well.
Ravel is often noted as going crazy, actually he had a neurological
disorder that left him at times unable to speak or coordanate movements.
His last compositions were written with great difficulty. Had a brain opperation in the 1920's. That is scary ! The Ravel family
will not release his medical records so the specific disorder is not known.Haendel, some suggest bi polar. Huge output of work.
james
Posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
In reply to Re: Frances Farmer and you don't mention lobotomy?, posted by stjames on October 16, 2000, at 0:08:10
Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
CybilDisobedience
Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by pullmarine on October 16, 2000, at 23:05:34
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
Without deviance from norms.....progress is not possible.
also txhaikovsy committed suicide.
other psychos
Paul Verlaine. BPD, tried to shoot his ex lover Arthur Rimbaud in brussels.
Camille Claudel.
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
>
> CybilDisobedience
> Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 17, 2000, at 0:20:57
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
The idea here is to provide support. Repeated posting for other purposes will also result in being blocked.
Bob
Posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
In reply to Some psychos i've gotten to know and love, posted by pullmarine on October 14, 2000, at 19:45:58
...so mentally un-healthy, where is my intelligence? I (not to blow my own horn) have always felt that I was very intelligent (even though I failed 7-10 grade in school). Is it just that I haven't found my nitche in life? I was just telling my husband the other day how bored I am and that I can't stick to one thing. I think I want to do something (like study anatomy or take up running or learn to cook better) but it bores me quickly and then I have nothing to show for any of it. I have switched my college major 3 times and still don't have a degree. I feel when I'm around others that I am stupid because they have degree's and a real job (i'm a stay at home mom now). I seem to know a little bit about everything, but not enough to do anything. All those people were masters at what they did, so I must just be too flighty to stick to something. If anyone has any thing to add to this or can relate, let me know. -Flutter
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:19:14
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
It is possible to be intelligent and still have school problems. Look at Einstein, for one.
Have you ever been tested for learning disabilities or evaluated for attention deficit disorder? The definition of LD involves not performing at expected levels for one's intelligence, meaning, the person is intelligent, but has some form of processing problem that interferes with learning in the typical way.
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:20:20
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
You might want to read one of Mel Levine's books--either Keeping a Head in School, or All Kinds of Minds.
Posted by noa on October 17, 2000, at 6:21:23
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Another book to see is Succeeding Against the Odds by Sally L. Smith.
Posted by stjames on October 17, 2000, at 11:45:16
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
>Jmaes here....
Who cares.
Posted by alicefranklin on October 17, 2000, at 12:15:21
In reply to Re: Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by stjames on October 17, 2000, at 11:45:16
> > Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
> >
>
> Jmaes here....
>
> Who cares.. I do.
Posted by Cass on October 17, 2000, at 15:18:28
In reply to Re: others, posted by coral on October 15, 2000, at 11:16:02
Alice Walker who wrote The Color Purple said she heard voices that inspired her to write the novel.
Posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:22:06
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Jean Cocteau also got bored easily. i guess that's why he was a poet, playright, novelist, painter, critic and film maker
Posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:26:32
In reply to Yes.....but were they civil??????, posted by CybilDisobedience on October 16, 2000, at 20:39:23
> Anyone care to speculate about how many would have been blocked from Psychobabble for incivility?
Erik Satie
Mozart
frances Farmer
wiould probably have been blocked>
> CybilDisobedience
> Creativity is not the oddalisque of civility!!!!!
Posted by shar on October 17, 2000, at 19:29:07
In reply to If all these intelligent people were......, posted by Flutterbee on October 17, 2000, at 3:23:35
Flutter,
Albert Einstein also did very poorly in school, especially math.You are not alone. I was a really bright kid, and would finish my work quickly and then visit with the other kids. That was first grade; the solution was to put me in the back corner of the room with my desk facing the wall, and my back to the class.
I know that they had to do something, but it seems like they missed the big picture (it was 1956-57).
I'm surprised something with infinite promise has not caught your attention. Like computers, or building, or something like that.
Shar
Posted by tdaneen on October 17, 2000, at 20:37:33
In reply to Re: If all these intelligent people were......, posted by pullmarine on October 17, 2000, at 18:22:06
Don Osmond... social anxiety disorder
Steve Page... depression, alcohol abuseBTW: Dr. Bob, stjames, and others who know the "odd" situation... could we please, please, please, just leave further arguments about THAT alone??!?!?!
PB is a much nicer place to be when we are not squabbling amongst our psyco-selves :^)
-tdaneen
Posted by stjames on October 18, 2000, at 0:02:22
In reply to Music makers..., posted by tdaneen on October 17, 2000, at 20:37:33
I guess the greater question would be, does creativity
and mental illness go hand in hand ? This really is not a fair
question because the sample group is off. My degree is in music,
and there are lots of very talented people that are not sucessful or known.
Sucess has its own pitfalls. We tend to only think of the well knon people and
not the whole group. Also it is hard to create if you feel ugly inside.I will make the observation that the really good musicians spend
8 hrs a day alone in the practice room. So they are little batty and lack
some social skills, they have been in that room since they were 15.
While not all were batty or whatever, some of the
pianists were the worst in school. They do play all the notes and there is a huge amount of rep for the piano.
8-10 hrs alone with only very difficult Mozart to keep company. I was lucky because singers cannot do more
than 2 hrs a day, perfict for someone with ADD.Tdaneen, could you exlaine what bothers you about this thread ?
If my posts offended it was not intentional. Sometimes I do not
get it, I'm ADD. I do respect your feelings.james
Posted by dari on October 18, 2000, at 7:36:55
In reply to I spent 1st grade with desk facing the wall » Flutterbee, posted by shar on October 17, 2000, at 19:29:07
> Flutter,
> Albert Einstein also did very poorly in school, especially math.
>
> You are not alone. I was a really bright kid, and would finish my work quickly and then visit with the other kids. That was first grade; the solution was to put me in the back corner of the room with my desk facing the wall, and my back to the class.
>
> I know that they had to do something, but it seems like they missed the big picture (it was 1956-57).
>
> I'm surprised something with infinite promise has not caught your attention. Like computers, or building, or something like that.
>
> SharHey Shar:
I spent my third grade year tied to my chair with a jump rope (1972) - so obviously by that point things still had not changed much. It's amazing however, I have a 10 y/o son now and his report card comments look exactly like mine did. I actually put them side by side about a year ago and it truly looked like the same teachers wrote them (impulsive, chatty, moves around the room alot, etc.). And if you think that is bad... a couple of days ago, my son came home and told me that his social studies teacher had an aide wheel him down to the nurse's office making ambulance siren sounds when he complained of a headache. Her attempt at humor fell a little flat on this end. Horrendous, huh?Dari
Posted by Flutterbee on October 18, 2000, at 7:37:24
In reply to I spent 1st grade with desk facing the wall » Flutterbee, posted by shar on October 17, 2000, at 19:29:07
Shar, I was telling my husband the other night how I was feeling, because up until I read these posts did I even realize that I was feeling like this, like I'm so bored with life and I can't seem to find m niche. Well, I do have one or two things that intrest me, one is studying nutrition, how our bodies, and mind function with certain foods or supplements, but when I started to go to school for this my parents told me that I am wasting my time and will never make any money doing it (my father makes a lot of money, so you get where he is coming from). Well, since he was supporting me through college, I kind had no choice not to go that route. I also like to paint ceramics (I know, sounds corny, but I have done some really good stuff). Right now I don't have any supplies (i live in Italy) and I can't really go back to college (my husband is in college plus works full time, plus I have a baby). I do what I can through the internet and my books from when I took a few nutrition classes and worked in a health food store. I know (or at least use to) or can figure out, how many calories in what you are eating, what nutrients are in them and what they effect in your body. I use to be really annoying with it, but I loved it. Sorry to bore you, but thanks for letting me vent, you inspired me!-Flutter
Posted by shar on October 18, 2000, at 8:51:19
In reply to Re: I spent 1st grade with desk facing the wall, posted by Flutterbee on October 18, 2000, at 7:37:24
Flutter,
How ironic! My family did ceramics, and my dad did this whole nativity scene in china paint. It is an heirloom now as it was done when I was 3 or 4 and he died when I was 14. I love ceramics!My mom studied flower arranging and was eventually a florist (there is a lot more to arranging than one might think, esp. studying the Japanese styles). That isn't too expensive an avocation, and you always get to enjoy the flowers (unless they are for someone else).
Nutritionists these days are extremely well received, as you may know. So, any brushing up you can do in Italy (or taking an online course--that's how my sister got some sort of computer certification) will help you when you can get more education (if you want to go that route).
Also being in Italy (I am Italian, really Sicilian) my fater picked up on doing mosaics (cutting the tiles yourself, doing the design, etc.) and he made a big, incredibly heavy! mosaic table. We lived in Germany but I think it was our trip camping thru to Sicily (the homeland) that first piqued his interest.
Good luck to you! Finding something that holds your interest -- no matter what it is! -- will feel so good!
Shar
Posted by tdaneen on October 18, 2000, at 11:22:44
In reply to Re: Music makers..., posted by stjames on October 18, 2000, at 0:02:22
I guess you didn't get the hidden meaning. I was refering to the stuff about oddzilla.
The music ref was just my addition to the psyco's I've known and loved, etc thread...
I didn't mean to offend, I thought you would understand. Please go back and reread the BTW on my post. and check out the psyco-social babble page (cybildiscontent's posts)
Sorry stjames!! Just trying to make light of a situation I thought could get out of hand.
Ok??Again, sorry there was a misunderstanding.
tdaneen
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