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Posted by Phil on August 29, 2000, at 20:37:54
My life has reached an all time low in too many areas to go into here. My big problem is intense anger. Much directed back at myself for my inability to get out of a huge rut.
My current meds are Klonopin, Ritalin and Remeron.
I really need some input. I am at a loss about where to go next. Been thru alot of meds but I'm needing a miracle..quick.Phil
Posted by Cindy W on August 29, 2000, at 21:54:44
In reply to Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by Phil on August 29, 2000, at 20:37:54
> My life has reached an all time low in too many areas to go into here. My big problem is intense anger. Much directed back at myself for my inability to get out of a huge rut.
> My current meds are Klonopin, Ritalin and Remeron.
> I really need some input. I am at a loss about where to go next. Been thru alot of meds but I'm needing a miracle..quick.
>
> PhilPhil, are you in talk therapy as well as taking meds? Meds might not take your anger and self-loathing away, but therapy with a good therapist should really help, especially one versed in cognitive behavior therapy. I've had a problem with intense self-loathing and anger at myself for a long time, for being unable to make changes in my life that rationally I know I need to make but am terrified to make. My pdoc has been really helpful not just in prescribing meds but in talking with me about this. --Cindy W
Posted by Darby on August 29, 2000, at 22:25:36
In reply to Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by Phil on August 29, 2000, at 20:37:54
Phil:
While talk therapy can be a significant help, I would suggest you try one of the serotonin specific medications (SSRRI's), if you haven't already. Your doctor could certainly recommend one, Prozac being the most widely used on the market. These SSRRI's are especially helpful for irritability and anger. Just adding a small dose of one of these meds could make all the difference.
Good luck,
Darby
Posted by Phil on August 30, 2000, at 8:04:38
In reply to Re: Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by Darby on August 29, 2000, at 22:25:36
I'm starting therapy again tomorrow. I think that is where my answer is going to come from.
Been in, and out, of therapy for years and it always helps me.
I've tried so many drugs and combo's thereof it makes my head spin just thinking about it.
More and more, I'm seeing my depression as a spiritual crises as much as a biological one.
Time to open that can of worms again...shit. :-)
Thanks for y'all's input.
Phil
Posted by CarolAnn on August 30, 2000, at 11:46:59
In reply to Re: Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by Phil on August 30, 2000, at 8:04:38
Hey Phil, I can totally relate to the rage at one's self. Even after two yrs of therapy, I still experience it. Your post caught my eye, because I have also been experienceing my depression as a spiritual crises(and biological). For years I have been fascinated with philosophy and theosophy, I feel myself looking for 'answers'. Have you ever had a moment when your mind was so clear and open and aware of 'something', that it seemed as if some huge revelation was going to hit you? But then it goes away and everything kind of closes back in around you, as if the depression were a physical thing, cloaking your senses?
I guess I should post this to psycho'social'-babble, but I'm afraid you won't see it. If you ever want to 'converse' on this type of stuff, post over on 'social'babble. I'd love to have someone to discuss ideas with. Good luck with therapy, I'm sure it will help! CarolAnn
Posted by AndrewB on August 30, 2000, at 12:43:26
In reply to Re: Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by Phil on August 30, 2000, at 8:04:38
Phil,
First Phil, you have my sympathies. I have had to deal with anger and self-loathing. Such feelings cannibalize the soul. The enemy within, self-hatred, is the most fearsome, because there is truly no quarter from it.
Also I would to say that it is very difficult to distinguish between a biological versus a psychological/spiritual basis for self-hatred/anger.
The low dose use of the antipsychotics amisulpride or zyprexa can be very useful in dealing with anger and self-loathing. They can remove that 'savage' that often rages against oneself. Due to their novel action, these drugs can be effective where countless other drugs have not made a difference. Amisulpride is preferable to try because it usually doesn't have side effects in men and because it seems to just plain work better. But Zyprexa is available here in the US. Amisulpride must be ordered from overseas (xxx), no prescription required. To be emailed an info piece on amisulpride that I put together, email me at andrewb@seanet.com.
AndrewB
Posted by noa on August 30, 2000, at 17:12:24
In reply to Re: Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by AndrewB on August 30, 2000, at 12:43:26
> Phil,
>
I am glad you are going to give therapy another try. I have found the combo of meds and therapy to be helpful, and feel that both have been essential to my recovery.If after a few months, you still don't feel hopeful that the rage will come under more control, then I would look at tweaking your med cocktail.
This whole thing is such a process.
Posted by paul on September 2, 2000, at 1:22:33
In reply to Re: Intense anger-self-loathing, posted by AndrewB on August 30, 2000, at 12:43:26
phil-
your post caught my eye because what you describe is exactly what i've been totally free of since starting seroquel. yes, i have what i call my "seroquel bookshelf" that i have to get rid of, but as cam would say, "that's how you know it's working!!!" i recommend it MOST highly. i know squat about amisulpride and would caution you against taking something your doc is unfamiliar with. just my slant. i'll go read ab's piece on it after i post this. good luck!
p(c(l))
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