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Posted by Judy on July 8, 2000, at 10:55:11
Found this at Medscape this morning. Haven't even had time to read the whole thing yet, but I thought I'd
share it.http://psychiatry.medscape.com/Medscape/psychiatry/journal/2000/v05.n04/ca-mh0706.01/ca-mh0706.01.html
Judy
Posted by danf on July 8, 2000, at 11:31:21
In reply to Medscape Article/AD-Induced Sexual Dysfunction, posted by Judy on July 8, 2000, at 10:55:11
> http://psychiatry.medscape.com/Medscape/psychiatry/journal/2000/v05.n04/ca-mh0706.01/ca-mh0706.01.html
>
> Judy
Thanks judy,Of note was one of the other articles. Women & viagra. it appears that viagra is of benefit to the women in one study.
Now for some personal observations. ( translate that to take this with a grain of salt )
I have been on prozac, zoloft & now celexa. I had most every nasty side effect listed. But did not get dry mouth, nor headaches.
The only sexual side effect has been a delay of orgasm, with an occasional complete failure. The failures always occured after a glass of wine or a beer or 2.
I wonder how many people who have complete O-failure have tried a drink to smooth the mood & got O-failure as a result ?
As to libido & interest, it does seem to be less. As a result there has to be more conscious intent. If I wait for spontaneous it is kind of dormant. Since I enjoy sexuality, I make an effort, even if "I don't feel like it"
If she initiates, I always try to respond. After affectionate play, the mood always seems to comply, the interest arrives.
Kissing, cuddling & other non-overt sexual interactions seem to set the stage & kindle the fire. Hurry & it is a pfuuuutttt !!!
Posted by harry b. on July 8, 2000, at 12:32:31
In reply to SSRIs viagra, posted by danf on July 8, 2000, at 11:31:21
> I wonder how many people who have complete O-failure have tried a drink to smooth the mood & got O-failure as a result ?
>dan-
All the SSRIs I have used caused total O-failure,
whether I had a bit o' wine, a toke, a tab or several
of Ritalin, or nothing at all. Even the herbals
did not help.A month or so ago there was a thread on this. One
woman related that she had tried, solo, for four
hrs without success to achieve an O. I thought
it was unfortunate, but I was amused by her determined
four hr effort. Then I realized I had done the same
myself. 'Sore' doesn't quite describe the results. I
spent a lot of time in the hot tub soothing my spirit
and an injured body part.What really bites is that my therapist & pdoc said
the inability to achieve O is 'secondary'. Well,
yes, if someone is suicidal anything else is secondary.
But if one is beyond that stage, then it certainly
is not 'secondary'.
hb
Posted by danf on July 8, 2000, at 13:06:44
In reply to Re: SSRIs viagra » danf, posted by harry b. on July 8, 2000, at 12:32:31
Harryb,
It is interesting how folks vary. I know that mental plays a role as well as physical.
I looked at all the archives for the past year & this subject comes up on a frequent basis.
There are a few posts by men where viagra helped. By mechanism it is not supposed to, but it did for 2 or 3. no women that I can remember said anything about viagra.
They reported no mechanical problems prior to viagra trial.
Some other observations. French lessons & handshakes do not work.
The most potent stimulator for me has been the satisfaction of my SO ! This has to be be a psychological effect.
Not being a woman, I do not know what would be an equivalent facilitator, or if there is one.
& harry, the best thing to get over chaffing, bar none, is prep H, It has properties that are almost magical.
May the bird of happiness fly back into your life & bring a few O's.
Posted by harry b. on July 8, 2000, at 13:29:03
In reply to Re: SSRIs and viagra x-rated » harry b., posted by danf on July 8, 2000, at 13:06:44
> & harry, the best thing to get over chaffing, bar none, is prep H, It has properties that are almost magical.
>
> May the bird of happiness fly back into your life & bring a few O's.
dan- Prep H?? That's interesting. hb can now have
Os because I stopped the SSRIs, built a little
ceremonial bonfire in the backyard & sent them
skyward. Alas I am alone, no psychological benefits
there.
hb
Posted by Judy on July 8, 2000, at 14:09:26
In reply to Re: SSRIs and viagra x-rated » harry b., posted by danf on July 8, 2000, at 13:06:44
> There are a few posts by men where viagra helped. By mechanism it is not supposed to, but it did for 2 or 3. no women that I can remember said anything about viagra.
I am, as you might have guessed, a woman. Prior to taking AD's I had no problems whatsoever with libido or achieving orgasm - now both are lost to me and I don't know which one I miss more (libido, I think). I'd be curious to hear the male opinion on this.For the record, I tried Viagra at 50 mg and another time at 100 mg. It made absolutely no difference. I didn't even experience the curious blue-tinged vision that some people have reported. At least my ceiling would have looked different for a while because nothig else different was happening!
My doctor claims that the trigger for orgasm, in both men and women, is a Seratonin sub-receptor. No matter what the anatomical differences, if that receptor is blocked by AD's, a normal orgasm won't occur. "Secondary" is such a cruel response to the problem (I'm a bit surprised that a doctor said that to a male patient! I thought only women got that reaction.)
There's a fortune to be made out there - not to mention the undying gratitude of hoardes of frustrated AD users. I wish the bird of happiness would fly in with the secret.
Judy
Posted by Cindy W on July 8, 2000, at 22:23:35
In reply to Re: SSRIs viagra » danf, posted by harry b. on July 8, 2000, at 12:32:31
>
> > I wonder how many people who have complete O-failure have tried a drink to smooth the mood & got O-failure as a result ?
> >
>
> dan-
>
> All the SSRIs I have used caused total O-failure,
> whether I had a bit o' wine, a toke, a tab or several
> of Ritalin, or nothing at all. Even the herbals
> did not help.
>
> A month or so ago there was a thread on this. One
> woman related that she had tried, solo, for four
> hrs without success to achieve an O. I thought
> it was unfortunate, but I was amused by her determined
> four hr effort. Then I realized I had done the same
> myself. 'Sore' doesn't quite describe the results. I
> spent a lot of time in the hot tub soothing my spirit
> and an injured body part.
>
> What really bites is that my therapist & pdoc said
> the inability to achieve O is 'secondary'. Well,
> yes, if someone is suicidal anything else is secondary.
> But if one is beyond that stage, then it certainly
> is not 'secondary'.
> hbHarry, I'm the person who tried solo for four hours! I agree that being able to climax helps one not get depressed and should not be considered as secondary to depression. Sexual side effects happened for me with Prozac, Luvox, and Zoloft, but not Serzone. Effexor-XR is somewhat inhibiting but persistence pays off. ;)
Posted by ksvt on July 9, 2000, at 17:02:06
In reply to Re: SSRIs viagra, posted by Cindy W on July 8, 2000, at 22:23:35
> >
> > > I wonder how many people who have complete O-failure have tried a drink to smooth the mood & got O-failure as a result ?
> > >
> >
> > dan-
> >
> > All the SSRIs I have used caused total O-failure,
> > whether I had a bit o' wine, a toke, a tab or several
> > of Ritalin, or nothing at all. Even the herbals
> > did not help.
> >
> > A month or so ago there was a thread on this. One
> > woman related that she had tried, solo, for four
> > hrs without success to achieve an O. I thought
> > it was unfortunate, but I was amused by her determined
> > four hr effort. Then I realized I had done the same
> > myself. 'Sore' doesn't quite describe the results. I
> > spent a lot of time in the hot tub soothing my spirit
> > and an injured body part.
> >
> > What really bites is that my therapist & pdoc said
> > the inability to achieve O is 'secondary'. Well,
> > yes, if someone is suicidal anything else is secondary.
> > But if one is beyond that stage, then it certainly
> > is not 'secondary'.
> > hb
>
> Harry, I'm the person who tried solo for four hours! I agree that being able to climax helps one not get depressed and should not be considered as secondary to depression. Sexual side effects happened for me with Prozac, Luvox, and Zoloft, but not Serzone. Effexor-XR is somewhat inhibiting but persistence pays off. ;)Cindy - are you still on Serzone or Effexor or some combination of both?
Posted by Cindy W on July 9, 2000, at 20:50:14
In reply to Re: SSRIs viagra, posted by ksvt on July 9, 2000, at 17:02:06
> > >
> > > > I wonder how many people who have complete O-failure have tried a drink to smooth the mood & got O-failure as a result ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > dan-
> > >
> > > All the SSRIs I have used caused total O-failure,
> > > whether I had a bit o' wine, a toke, a tab or several
> > > of Ritalin, or nothing at all. Even the herbals
> > > did not help.
> > >
> > > A month or so ago there was a thread on this. One
> > > woman related that she had tried, solo, for four
> > > hrs without success to achieve an O. I thought
> > > it was unfortunate, but I was amused by her determined
> > > four hr effort. Then I realized I had done the same
> > > myself. 'Sore' doesn't quite describe the results. I
> > > spent a lot of time in the hot tub soothing my spirit
> > > and an injured body part.
> > >
> > > What really bites is that my therapist & pdoc said
> > > the inability to achieve O is 'secondary'. Well,
> > > yes, if someone is suicidal anything else is secondary.
> > > But if one is beyond that stage, then it certainly
> > > is not 'secondary'.
> > > hb
> >
> > Harry, I'm the person who tried solo for four hours! I agree that being able to climax helps one not get depressed and should not be considered as secondary to depression. Sexual side effects happened for me with Prozac, Luvox, and Zoloft, but not Serzone. Effexor-XR is somewhat inhibiting but persistence pays off. ;)
>
> Cindy - are you still on Serzone or Effexor or some combination of both?
ksvt, I'm taking Effexor-XR 375 mg/day in the morning, and 75 mg of Serzone at night (since Effexor-XR makes it hard for me to sleep sometimes).
Posted by noa on July 11, 2000, at 13:49:07
In reply to Medscape Article/AD-Induced Sexual Dysfunction, posted by Judy on July 8, 2000, at 10:55:11
This would be a good topic for a folder at the egroups site. It is a topic that is talked about a lot.
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