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Posted by ihatedrugs on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
Human kind has always had a deep preocupation with the end of times. But catastrophes are not inherent of this milenium. All centuries have been plagued with all sorts of misery, plagues, hunger, wars, natural disasters, ruthless dictators and so much more. WE do not belong to a special club of misery to come just because we happen to live in this particular generation. The end of the world has always been around. In fact, my great grandmother was so certain that the world would more than likely end before a man could set foot on the moon because she actually never believe it would happen and she died before 1969.
I guess my point is that we need to focus on the centuries of example of the resilience of the human spirit. Embrace the good with the bad and focus on the positive. A beautiful child's smile, or a faithful dog following his loving owner/friend. The blooming of flowers, and the sound of the rain. These miraculous events happen every day and we tend to overlook them while we focus on events no one knows about or has the answers. We are going to be ok. And you will get through this rough patch just fine. And will be able to enjoy your family without having to put up a face or faking contentment. Your and all of our brains are actually wired to feel happiness we may have some malfunctions but with the right treatment life will feel once again promising.
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
> 2012 -- Well lets see, London will be having the Olympics. Obama sweeps a second term and Palin buys Russia on Ebay with the budget of Alaska. Plugin electric cars are just beginning to come into fashion. The worldwide recession has started to thaw. Iran's nuclear reactors are secretly destroyed. The UN monitoring mission to Iraq starts to begin. Yes, storms, freezing temperatures, and hot spots are seen around the world.
LOL
Jay, you really got me!
> And there's good news too...
> Let us toast to those things.Here, here!
- Scott
Posted by desolationrower on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2009, at 16:14:04
The particle accelerator in switzerland may have already created a black hole. once it gets enough mass it will swallow the earth.
-d/r
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by desolationrower on January 18, 2009, at 4:38:31
> The particle accelerator in switzerland may have already created a black hole. once it gets enough mass it will swallow the earth.
>
> -d/rThen we travel back in time and do it all over again?
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 17, 2009, at 20:32:11
>WE already know how we should be treating each >others as human beings.
Some of us do.
>WE are not born with the instinct to kill.
I believe some of us are.
>That is a learned trait. We ARE all born with >the ability to love unconditionally, until >someone else teaches us differently.
Thats one way to look at it. Children will exhibit selfish and agressive behavior at times even when it is never exhibited by a parent.
Linkadge
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 8:32:41
> >WE already know how we should be treating each >others as human beings.
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> Some of us do.
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> >WE are not born with the instinct to kill.
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> I believe some of us are.
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> >That is a learned trait. We ARE all born with >the ability to love unconditionally, until >someone else teaches us differently.
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> Thats one way to look at it. Children will exhibit selfish and agressive behavior at times even when it is never exhibited by a parent.
>
> Linkadge
>There is evidence from studying baboons and chimps that some may have a killer gene. Some of them wage war and also murder those within their ranks. We share a signifcant similar gene pool with them so maybe some of us also have a gene for violence.
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by ihatedrugs on January 18, 2009, at 3:11:18
>Human kind has always had a deep preocupation >with the end of times.
Yes, but it is only now that the capacity to exercise destruction on a mass scale is technologically feasabile.
100 years ago, the powers of madmen were restricted. They needed to gather armies and persuade millions to follow them.
Technology, is unfortuately growing at an unprecediented rate. Computer technology which once filled a room can be held in your hand.
So too, will neuclear technology enivitably become understood by and available to madmen. Thats when you start loosing entire cities and countries to terrorism.
Don't worry if you're past middle age. You will probably mostly be able to live out the rest of your natural life. Its only us young folks who will probably have to live through some sort of appocolypse.
Linkadge
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 8:44:41
> >Human kind has always had a deep preocupation >with the end of times.
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> Yes, but it is only now that the capacity to exercise destruction on a mass scale is technologically feasabile.
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> 100 years ago, the powers of madmen were restricted. They needed to gather armies and persuade millions to follow them.
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> Technology, is unfortuately growing at an unprecediented rate. Computer technology which once filled a room can be held in your hand.
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> So too, will neuclear technology enivitably become understood by and available to madmen. Thats when you start loosing entire cities and countries to terrorism.
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> Don't worry if you're past middle age. You will probably mostly be able to live out the rest of your natural life. Its only us young folks who will probably have to live through some sort of appocolypse.
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> Linkadge
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>Yes and those who follow the messiah will join him in eternal life and bliss.
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 9:08:23
>Yes and those who follow the messiah will join >him in eternal life and bliss.
I wish I knew that were true, but I have no way of reaching that conclusion for 100%.
Linkadge
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
Good follow-up Jay.
I don't normally watch the news (was also told not to do that by pdoc). I didn't know for several days that the attacks had started between Israel and Haamas until my aunt called me voicing her concern about some of our relatives.
I should have known better. I got sucked right back into it.
I did also watch the footage of the pilot gliding his plane down onto the Hudson in total awe and amazement. And I am even more impressed with the humbleness he has displayed.
CS
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by ihatedrugs on January 18, 2009, at 3:11:18
HI IHD,
Thank you so much for such a beautiful response!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by desolationrower on January 18, 2009, at 4:38:31
DS,
Well that just put everything into perspective, didn't it. Don't understand now why I was so worried about all this other stuff!! LOL!!!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 8:40:38
Bulldog,
Then maybe our pdocs should put these apes and chimps on meds huh, instead of experimenting on all of us. Just a thought! LOL!!!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 10:26:21
Link,
Since there is no one who can say that anything is 100% on this subject, what you can believe is the goodness within yourself and hopefully the goodness within others.
I wouldn't worry. You will be in a good place no matter where you are.
Courtney
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 18, 2009, at 11:24:13
> Bulldog,
>
> Then maybe our pdocs should put these apes and chimps on meds huh, instead of experimenting on all of us. Just a thought! LOL!!!
>
> CourtneyWell we give them much more realistic results..Think of taking meds as a noble experiment for mankind
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 10:26:21
> >Yes and those who follow the messiah will join >him in eternal life and bliss.
>
> I wish I knew that were true, but I have no way of reaching that conclusion for 100%.
>
> LinkadgeIt just has become evident to me that there is something much greater than what we perceive with our five senses and filter thru our minds. There's no way this was an accident as the complexity of the universe shows intelligent design.
When we are experiencing depression or anxiety we are looking inward and that makes it hard to experience the infinite. Practice on quieting your mind and you will begin to experience the infinite. I think some do not understand Christ's message. He meant that we are part of god and god is in everything. Heaven is on earth and everywhere.
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:32
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 10:26:21
TO Everyone!!!
WOW!!!
I can honestly say that I was blown away this morning when I saw all of the responses to my ranting yesterday. I was almost afraid to read them. I just knew I was going to get blasted away by several people.
But that's not what I got.
What I received were messages that were warm, supportive, unselfish, funny, and uplifting responses.
As I was reading them, I started crying, actually sobbing. But it was a good sobbing, almost like a cleansing.
I realized that I had let this condition consume me. I did have these issues (GAD, depression) as a teenager nor as an adult. So when this hit me a couple of years ago, I didn't understand it. My first response was to fight it. I have control issues and I have been trying to pick apart the last couple of years and figure out what and when things went wrong. What did I do or what events might have occurred to send me into this downward spiral. I didn't realize how negative (or just plain scared of something that I couldn't explain).
I never did drugs, didn't drink alot, have always been very health conscious. (wouldn't even take tylenol unless emergency, and now I have been on 10 different psychotic meds in the last two years). I do have a very dysfunctional family, but who doesn't, just thought I had it handled.
What I read here today on these post helped to open my eyes back up. Everyone here has their own individual dxs and their own personal issues, and yet you are still able to appreciate the little things and at the same time keep a sense of humor. And then all of you also took the time to share your thoughts with me because I was having a difficult time.
I see now that I need to let go of how I was before and find who I am now, understanding that this illness or condition (whatever you want to call it)is a part of that without letting it define who I am. Like several have said, one day at a time, small baby steps. I wanted to be able to get this under control quickly and get back to my life, and every time with each new med, I would get my hopes up only to have them come crashing down when it didn't work.
Thank you to each and every one for your support and advice.
BTW: As I was writing this post, I noticed the sun shining through my windows. It's the first time the sun has been out in weeks. A sign maybe???
Courtney :-) See, I'm smiling.
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:32
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 12:05:01
BD,
Well, so glad I can be of service for all of mankind!!! LOL!!!
CS
Posted by Sigismund on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:32
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 8:40:38
Don't forget the Bonobo chimp.
They are the nice guys.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2009, at 3:43:09
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
> (not yelling at you personally-- just makes me upset how the Christian community has taken an insightful thing from the Mayan's and made it bad.-- argh!)
> (and since we can agree on how the christian faith misinterprets scriptures)
Sorry to interrupt again, but one of our goals here is support, so please don't post anything that could lead others (such as Christians) to feel accused or put down (for example, of misinterpreting Scriptures).
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're bad people.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration. They, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Phillipa on January 19, 2009, at 20:11:40
In reply to Re: the Christian community » fleeting flutterby » Cseagraves, posted by Dr. Bob on January 19, 2009, at 3:43:09
Just following thread if it continues. Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 22, 2009, at 1:19:37
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:32
Nations unite, peace will come, and Rome will be restored as the "Head", sitting on the Throne will be anti-christ, universal data will be placed as a "numeric" mark, or data chip with all personal information, in one system. Universally. It will seem like harmony, but true christains will be executed. The Beast will decive many after the tribulation, and the day of Judgement will come, who followed Christ, those who rejected, (in my own compassion) who are going to be decived, Various sciptures, in a paraphrase, Christ will ask do i know you? many will say "Yes", on the day of Judgement, those who truely had faith, and made him the lord of their life, because <Yabba, Christ, Holy Ghost> are 3 but are 1.
Take it, or leave it, i'm just droppin a message.
Be blessed,
rj
Posted by Sigismund on January 23, 2009, at 17:13:26
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 22, 2009, at 1:19:37
>Nations unite, peace will come, and Rome will be restored as the "Head", sitting on the Throne will be anti-christ, universal data will be placed as a "numeric" mark, or data chip with all personal information, in one system. Universally. It will seem like harmony, but true christains will be executed. The Beast will decive many after the tribulation, and the day of Judgement will come, who followed Christ, those who rejected, (in my own compassion) who are going to be decived, Various sciptures, in a paraphrase, Christ will ask do i know you? many will say "Yes", on the day of Judgement, those who truely had faith, and made him the lord of their life, because <Yabba, Christ, Holy Ghost> are 3 but are 1.
I hesitate to look at this from a utilitarian point of view here.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2009, at 8:03:11
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on January 22, 2009, at 1:19:37
> Nations unite, peace will come, and Rome will be restored as the "Head", sitting on the Throne will be anti-christ, universal data will be placed as a "numeric" mark, or data chip with all personal information, in one system. Universally. It will seem like harmony, but true christains will be executed. The Beast will decive many after the tribulation, and the day of Judgement will come, who followed Christ, those who rejected, (in my own compassion) who are going to be decived, Various sciptures, in a paraphrase, Christ will ask do i know you? many will say "Yes", on the day of Judgement, those who truely had faith, and made him the lord of their life, because <Yabba, Christ, Holy Ghost> are 3 but are 1.
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> Take it, or leave it, i'm just droppin a message.
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> Be blessed,
>
> rjFriends,
It is written here,[...the day of judgement will conme, who followed Christ, those who rejected...]
The grammatical structure of the statement could be interpreted as I see it to mean that the judgement that will come will be based on as to two groups, those that followed Christ and those who rejected Christ.
If you have a different opinion as to what the statement in question could mean to you as per the grammatical structure of it, could you please post that here? If no other interpretations are posted here, could I then not think that the statement in question has the potential for myself and others to think that it is the accepted interpretation by the members of the forum here?
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on January 24, 2009, at 14:53:07
In reply to Lou's request to members-grpagrmnt?, posted by Lou Pilder on January 24, 2009, at 8:03:11
My mother (a most conventional woman) told me that Revelations was her least favourite book of the Bible, and I would have to say I agree.
Give me Ecclesiastes any day.
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