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Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 9:07:03
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by sleepygirl on November 24, 2005, at 10:39:37
> Hey Larry,
> I don't know you well, but I know you are sought after and cared for much here.We don't know each other well, but you sent me comfort. Thank you.
> I'm sorry you're in such pain. Keep posting -
Keep posting....I think my problem lies in "start posting".... <wry grin>
> people don't catch them right away sometimes.
Probbly better to toss them in better places, eh?
> All those meds have got to make you a bit mixed up, and the pain has got to be pretty tiring :-(
You nailed it, sweetie. The truth is, I'm exhausted. Stupid from the drugs, and worn out by the pain. But stronger than before, because you cared.
Thanks.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 9:18:52
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on November 24, 2005, at 12:24:50
> ((((Larry))))
> I'm sorry you're feeling so bad. I wish I could take a magic wand and make it all better.
Well, this is a start. :-)
> You're so very special, and I'm so thankful that you're a part of my life.Oh, honey. I should name a river after you. I think you kind of cracked the dam I was holding inside. This is a good thing, Di.
I wish I could do something to help you, with all you're going through. Family. Katrina. You're made of real good stuff, you know. I hope we can meet, if you can get up to Toronto in May.
Love ya,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 9:37:12
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Tabitha on November 24, 2005, at 12:43:42
> Gosh I'm sorry, Lar. I know it sucks to put something out there and not get the reply you need. I didn't know you'd developed the pain condition. It must be really hard to deal with that on top of the mental struggles. I'm sorry this is all happening right now.
Tab, your message is just what I needed. Succinct and true. A special message from a special person. Over the years, I've come to always smile when I see you posting.
You touched on something that I think I really need to talk about some more, but I'm not going to sully your message by doing so here.
Thank you, Tab. Bless you.
Lar
Posted by Dinah on November 26, 2005, at 10:36:33
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Dinah, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 9:18:52
Awwww, now it's my turn.
I woke up feeling exceptionally sorry for myself, but your post made me smile.
I'll make an extra special effort to make it to Toronto, if you'll be there. :)
Posted by alesta on November 26, 2005, at 11:47:28
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
> it was an accident that nobody replied to
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20051120/msgs/580912.html
> for three days.
>
> I'm falling apart here.
>
> Larhi larry,:)
i'm really sorry. really, really sorry...i just broke up with my bf and am not doing so hot myself...i meant to at least reply to yours..but i started a new job and didn't make it to the library until today. i am under a tremendous amount of stress with some sadness mixed in there..and can't really get to the computer as much...(you see now that a lot of ppl care about you..it's just that that thread was well hidden in the personality thread, and your post was directed to me as well....) man, it must suck to deal with pain like that..you have my empathy....i hope you feel better...*soon*. sending you a hug, and compassion,take care, l,:-)
amy
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 20:12:50
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by ClearSkies on November 24, 2005, at 12:45:34
> Oh, Larry! I had no idea of the level of your suffering, and I hope that there is the possibility of improvement soon.
It's such a challenge, when the doctors are arguing over how to manage it. More surgery? More drugs? Wait and see?
> I'm so sorry that your pain is overwhelming you right now, and you are still hurting from the unresolved issue of your block.
Unfortunately for me, the last time I mentioned my pain, I started to reach out, and I soon found myself blocked. It's all kind of jumbled together on me, now. I never got a chance to work any of it out. Does it seem unresolved to you, too? Or are you empathizing with me?
> Unfortunately I can't see that ever being addressed - and how could we ever undo something so hurtful?
It's an open wound. It's just not going to get better, I guess.
When my block was up, I was six days before surgery, and I tried posting. It wouldn't let me post. You can't babblemail until you post (after a block), so I felt totally isolated from everyone.
I'm sorry. I don't know why I'm going into that here. I'm really grateful for all your caring.
> Best for us all if we are able to know that the past is gone forever.
The past isn't gone, here.
> Larry, you are loved and much respected here. your presence means a great deal to myself and others.
>
> ClearSkiesThank you, so very much. And I'm glad the skies have cleared. :-)
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 20:24:06
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by ed_uk on November 24, 2005, at 14:34:14
> Hi Lar
>
> I never saw your post - didn't read the thread. I'm so sorry you felt hurt.Thanks, ed. Lost and vulnerable would cover it better, my friend.
> >And I take five meds for the pain, and sure as hell they're messing me up. Oxycontin, Percocet, nortriptyline, Lyrica, and clonazepam. The last two were added in by a pain specialist, who I saw once so far. I think the Lyrica is messing me up most. Rock. Hard place.
>
> Are you finding Lyrica similar to Neurontin in terms of side effects?Something similar. I'm having perceptual distortions and problems thinking, but we're doing a very slow dose increase (I just now hit 300 mg), so maybe it won't be so bad. Unfortunately, it hasn't had the beneficial effect we sought, either. Maybe it's helped stabilize my pain, and maybe it's not as sharp as before (I liken it to losing the treble from music; same volume, same bass, no treble). Not sure what's next. We may try Neurontin again, but a slow titration. Last time, I started in at 1200 mg. I'm just too sensitive to jolts like that.
> I'm not sure what to make of clonazepam. Do you think it provides any analgesia?
It seems to be my pain specialist's "special ingredient", though he usually combines it with Neurontin. I'm only getting .5 mg QHS, and he took me off temazepam, so I'm not sleeping worth a darn. I started using the temazepam too, but it doesn't make much difference. The Lyrica keeps me wide awake. I've had a good number of paradoxical drug responses, so this is nothing new for me.
> Kind regards
>
> EdThanks, Ed.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:05:13
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Deneb on November 24, 2005, at 14:41:54
> (((((((((((Larry)))))))))))))
Thanks, Jen.
> How have you been coping?
Maybe a little better, with all this help.
> I can only imagine what it is to live with chronic pain. I feel for you Larry.
Let's just hope it's temporary chronic pain, eh?
> I think you deserve a buttertart right about now.
I really do, but I thought that was a secret!
> Deneb
Thanks, J.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:06:27
In reply to Re: Please tell me, posted by sal0805 on November 24, 2005, at 14:49:59
> You are a gem! A very, very special, and exceptionally smart gem!!
>
> SabrinaOh, my. (blushing) Thank you.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:07:55
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
....I'm working my way down the list, and I'm not crying any more!
It's working!
Lar
Posted by spriggy on November 26, 2005, at 22:10:32
In reply to Maybe you can tell...., posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:07:55
Sooo glad you are feeling better Lar!!
((((((hugs and prayers))))
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:26:37
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Damos on November 24, 2005, at 15:13:49
> Sh*t! Sorry mate, missed it completely.
Ya, well, not the best place for me to put it, in retrospect.
> Man, the chronic pain thing sux big time. Sorry you're having to deal with that, it's gotta be wearing on you. And not being able to sleep, well that's just the icing on the cake.
Jeez, a minute ago, I think I posted an optimistic message, and it's really hard to hold onto that idea. I'm friggin' exhausted. Hell, I was exhausted weeks ago, and it's worse, and....
It just is.
And it's 12 weeks since I got out of that metal immobilizer contraption (Seven pounds of it, from shoulder to palm. I weighed myself before and after, the day it came off.), and Worker's Comp has this list that says 12 weeks and I should be all perfect and ready to go, and I just am not. I have this adjudicator to deal with who makes me cringe, and I have no idea how neuropathy fits into their little bureaucratic model of worker health, and I have no idea what hoops I must yet jump through. It's part of why and why it's now and why I need and why I cry.
> Mate, I'm really sorry I missed that post, but you can always get me by email if you need to (I think you have it, if not babblemail me).
I must have it somewhere, from before. I may do that. And thanks.
>
> Lar, you're respected, admired and much loved by so many people here. Take care okay.
>
> DamosThanks, mate. You make all us blokes look good.
Hugs,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:30:08
In reply to Re: Please tell me, posted by rainbowbrite on November 24, 2005, at 15:37:40
> I wish I could make you feel better
You do. Thank you.
Lar
P.S. I never found just where at that petting zoo to find the butter tarts. I went and looked and did not find. Well, I did not find anyone who seemed to be from the place itself, so I could not find. Perhaps a hint?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:33:57
In reply to Thank you everybody, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 16:44:54
> I've got no words. I just need your love for a while.
>
> LarOh look, I'm talking to myself. Well, it's time for bed so I'll give myself a hug on everybody's behalf and that way we're all in on it. Sound okay? {{{{{{{{{{{Lar}}}}}}}}}}}
g'nite
Posted by gardenergirl on November 26, 2005, at 23:57:39
In reply to Re: Thank you everybody » Larry Hoover, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:33:57
Just got back in town...
Gentle hugs and peaceful thoughts to you. I'm glad you feel loved, because you are much loved here.
Warmly,
gg
Posted by alexandra_k on November 27, 2005, at 0:33:06
In reply to Just to add to your list » Larry Hoover, posted by gardenergirl on November 26, 2005, at 23:57:39
> Just got back in town...
((((gg))))
welcome back :-)
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:16:21
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
Okay, picking up where we left off....I'll get to you in just a second, verne. Hang on, buddy.
I don't usually talk about me, and now that I got started, well, I'm just gonna do some more of it. So, if the topic bores you or something, I'm giving you fair warning. Don't blame me later on that I was getting all self-absorbed or something. No sirree. Nuh-uh.
Kinda got all busy there yesterday making pot roast and gravy and smashed potatoes for my bigger lad's birthday dinner. And it had to be Birthday Brownies, not a cake. Rules are rules. And today I gotta go them back to their momma, so we'll see about getting around to you lot down near the end of the list there. Fair warning.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:33:25
In reply to There's Hope » Larry Hoover, posted by verne on November 24, 2005, at 16:54:01
> Hi Larry,
>
> Like the others, I didn't read that thread since I had already taken the Meyer Briggs test. I've also been visiting Psychobabble less.'Scuses, 'scuses. Well, verne, I forgived the others, so I guess I gotta forgive you, too.
> After a frenzy of posts during high tide, I think I beached myself. For me, lots of posts equals exposure and too much exposure results in emotional pain.
Gettin' beached at high tide is sunburn pain, isn't it, verne? Sorry you went through that, buddy.
> I'm sorry to hear you're in so much physical pain.
Thanks, I appreciate it.
> I don't have much experience with pain but did experience permanent relief for a couple chronic problems while attending a healing service at a church.
>
> At the time I wasn't a believer and hadn't been in a church since I was a child. My doctor wanted me to get counseling, and this was free, so I started meeting with the pastor and hanging out for some of the services.
>
> I had chronic pain in both feet (like shards of glass) and hadn't mentioned it to anyone. Anyway the pastor paused in front of my seat and knelt down and "laid hands" on my feet. They never hurt again. Months later, I also noticed that the chronic hematuria I had suffered with for over ten years (long story) had disappeared completely, never to return.
>
> It didn't require any faith on my part, since I didn't believe the first thing about their religion. Later I came to believe there's more to the world than what we can see or perceive with the senses - I just don't have a name for it.Oh, verne, I know that stuff happens. But it's also my experience that they don't sell that stuff at Walmart. What I mean is, I have faith in many things that cannot be explained in a rational way. I've been party to such as you describe. I bear witness to it. But it comes when you're not looking for it, I think. It doesn't arise from expectation, near as I can tell.
But there's more to it, isn't there, Verne. I came back and added this....
You can influence the probabilities, can't you. You can be in places where healing is more likely to happen, and you can be in places where it's less. Maybe that's what this whole experience turns on. My posting what I did in a low probability environment had reasonable consequences. And so did my reposting....
There's this Reiki woman named Margaret. She totally blew my mind. A huge impression on how I perceive the universe. It's been years. I wonder if I can catch her trail.
> Besides less pain, another benefit of the spirit is that Love, Hope, and Peace increase.
>
> VerneThank you, Verne. My heart is open to it.
Lar
P.S. Thank you.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:39:38
In reply to Re: Thank you everybody » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on November 24, 2005, at 20:35:47
> (((((((Larry)))))))
I'll just pause a minute or two and soak this up....Mmmmmmm.
> I wasn't following the thread...
> (I'm fairly fond of the big 5...)I'll be more careful not to post to a four-dimensional personality inventory thread, in future, so as to have your attention. Thanks for the heads up.
> Have been busy...
> Busy...
> But I emailed you :-)
> :-)Look here, missy, you just better be getting that thesis done, or there'll be consequences!
> Sorry it took me so long...
> :-(Thanks, a-k.
Hey, did they name a virtually jam-proof, easily manufactured and assembled, automatic assault rifle after you? Just wondering.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:43:58
In reply to Re: Thank you everybody, posted by Phillipa on November 24, 2005, at 22:47:53
> Lar, I did catch the Thread and to me it was totally unfair. Any new hope on the horizon for your work injury?
There's always hope, my dear. It's the pace of everything that has me down.
> Love, hug, kisses Phillipa
Thank you, Phillipa. One of these days we're gonna hafta do that hug and kiss thing. It's on my "to do" list.
Love ya too,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:51:09
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Toph on November 25, 2005, at 7:56:50
> Lar, we all wish we were there to bring you your slippers and some tea and some fish oil and Einstein's Theory of Relativity or whatever else you would enjoy reading while you recover.
Ah, leave it to Chris to get right to the nub of the solution, servitude. I think you're a brighter man than you generally get credit for. Brighter. You bring light. Levity. It's a gift, dude, and I thank you.
> Get well soon bud.
> TophWe'll do our best. Thanks, buddy.
Lar
P.S. If Luke Skywalker was on his spaceship going 9/10 of the speed of light, and he fired his light saber forward, how fast would that light be travelling?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 8:01:14
In reply to Re: Sorry, Larry, posted by sunny10 on November 25, 2005, at 8:26:48
> I did see your post and was much triggered because of my sister going through the same thing and some others.
I didn't know your sis was going through anything. If you wanna talk about it, or babble me.....
> It was selfish of me not to post to you that I'm thinking of you...
Sunny. Dear sunny. You missed instruction number two, above. You may go back and read that now.
I said you could lie to me. I was not seeking your feeling of guilt. Nor would I ever expect anyone, ever, to ignore their own needs, to satisfy mine.
I'm sorry I put you in that position, though I could not predict that I had done it.
> I always do think of you- every time I think of my sister my thoughts turn to you.
I am honoured to know that.
> I'm sorry for not commenting.
It's okay.
> You know I pray for good things for you and an end to the pain in your arm.Yes, I do know that. And thanks for reminding me.
> Take care, okay?
>
> Love,
> Sunny10{{{{{{{{{{{{{Sunny11}}}}}}}}}}}}
[not a typo]
[that's what the judges scored her at]Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 8:36:33
In reply to Re: Sorry, Larry... spriggy's rambling to Lar, posted by spriggy on November 25, 2005, at 14:11:20
> First of all,
>
> I just feel really selfish right now asking you questions about meds,etc.. when you are going through so much yourself.Are you gonna make me drive all the way down there and .... and..... well, I don't know what, being a preacher's wife and everything.
Sasha, you honour me when you seek my counsel.
> Wow- in all honesty, you are one of the smartest people around- you seem to know an answer for everyone and you have always come across so strong!
Thank you.
> And even now, in your suffering, you still are strong; maybe tired/weary/worn out but you keep fighting the good fight!That's exactly right. And again, thank you.
> I agree with you; 1) you are a good man, and 2) I don't understand that block thing either.I'm real glad some of us have got it figured out. ;-) Although figuring out point 2 isn't really figuring it out. Hmmm. We better ask Toph about that.
> I don't know if your pain would be helped at all like my dad's has been but they installed a pump into his spine and he can walk again! ( It seems yours was your arm? though).It's my left arm. The same nerve that does your funny bone. I don't know why they call it that, because whenever I hit my funny bone, it wasn't funny at all. It's like when the doctor says, "This won't hurt a bit." I wanna say, "Here, Doc, let me not hurt you a bit with this thing you poked me with. Let's not hurt a bit, together."
Where was I? See, you got my mind off it. Anyway, that nerve that does the funny bone thing.....mine's locked on in funny bone mode. And to celebrate, the nerve has Level 2 functions that gamers at funny bone Level 1 haven't discovered yet. I have seriously looked at my arm as it is doing some of its marvels, and wondered if an alien was in there poking with the controls. My doctors do not support my alien theory, notwithstanding the television shows that have that exact thing happening, so it must be true somewhere? Just not in Canada?
Ooops. Distracted again. It's too soon for pumps. They're thinking about more surgery, though. I don't know what that's gonna be like, because the last one, when I came to in the recovery room, my first and instant awareness was me screaming in pain. I think they gave me four morphine injections (30 mg), to get me to shut the heck up. I was disturbing other people or something.
> Another thing that worked wonders for him was a pain patch.. and then he would take breakthrough meds when needed.I can't use a patch. My skin gets all weird under it. Anyway, I use sustained release pills with breakthrough meds when needed (like, always needed). Similar.
> I won't even attempt to compare my pain to yours, but some days, I hurt all over;achey/fevers/flu like. It gets very discouraging sometimes.No, honey, don't do comparisons, okay? Pain is pain, and I'm sorry you have it, and I'm sorry you know it's discouraging sometimes.
> THere are days I just pray for heaven!Some days, a little break, just a little one, would be heaven.
> I will be praying for you Lar! For comfort, relief from this pain, answers, wisdom, joy, peace and strength.Thank you. That's quite a list you got there. Sounds like you know somebody in the business. It's almost like I feel you joining with me in prayer. Thank you.
> You have many, many friends here.Yeah. Ain't it the truth. (Unless y'all were using your instruction 2 privileges, but I'll just assume otherwise. And if anybody wants to raise that issue, I'll just assume you were lying about lying, and where will that get you?)
I'm actually beaming here, but I don't know a smiley for that.
Lar
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 27, 2005, at 8:37:51
In reply to Re: Please tell me » rainbowbrite, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:30:08
> > I wish I could make you feel better
>
> You do. Thank you.
>:-)
> Lar
>
> P.S. I never found just where at that petting zoo to find the butter tarts. I went and looked and did not find. Well, I did not find anyone who seemed to be from the place itself, so I could not find. Perhaps a hint?
>
>
hmm geez, I cant believe it? you did walk 10 steps forward...and then turn left at the girafe....then 40 steps to the right......and then did you make sure to turn at the porcupine? Then after you have walked another 50 steps to the left, after the porcupine you have to hop on the camels back and he will lead the way ;-)
did I mention that it is run by elves?check your babblemail :-)
(((Larry))) Glad you are feeling better
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 8:58:35
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on November 25, 2005, at 23:44:42
> > it was an accident that nobody replied to
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20051120/msgs/580912.html
> > for three days.
> >
> > I'm falling apart here.
> >
> > Lar
>
>
>
> Dearest Lar,Damn tears. Just squirtin' out like that. Make it hard to see.
> Your post brought tears to my eyes.
Seems to be a virus, or something.
> I'm so sorry you're going through this but I'm glad that you're reaching out for support and that you asked again when a lot of us missed your original request for help. It's obvious that many people here care so much about you.
Beaming/bawling. What's the difference.
Kara, you're making me feel very loved right now.
> We all wish we could do something to take your pain away.
Ya.
> I don't know exactly when but this pain will be stopped. You have to believe that. Just keep telling yourself that so you can hang in there until that time. In the meantime, cry out to us as much as you need to.
>
> KaraOkay. I'll try.
I'm 48 years old, and it's hard because 40 years ago it wasn't a good idea to do that. Some lessons are hard to get right. Or something. My brain just locked up. Something real important is stuck in there.
> (a fellow INFJ)
You cast a warm shadow, Kara. It's going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
Love,
Lar
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