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Posted by mmcconathy on February 25, 2005, at 23:26:21
There starting to clone cats, i've heard in the news.
"mommy, timmy got squashed, lets have him cloned"
I'm bored, here some sources on cloning if you want to read:
http://afgen.com/cloning2a.html
What do you think of cloning?
Do you think God would get pissed if we started having humans manufactured?, what would be his wrath?
KAHEhehe sorry, im babbling on.
That would be creepy to have your pet cloned
Posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:38:50
In reply to cloning anyone?, posted by mmcconathy on February 25, 2005, at 23:26:21
> There starting to clone cats, i've heard in the news.
Sure, my university cloned a sheep (Dolly) a while back...
> "mommy, timmy got squashed, lets have him cloned"Hmm. Timmy would still be dead, ya know.
> What do you think of cloning?
Needs to get better. The clone ages too fast and dies too quickly for a start.
> Do you think God would get pissed if we started having humans manufactured?,Why on earth should he? It is just another form of reproduction.
> That would be creepy to have your pet cloned
Why?
A clone is just the same genetically.
Identical twins are the same genetically.
We don't clone one adult into another identical adult.
We make a 'baby' copy of the adult.
(Like having an identical twin many years younger than yourself)
It will have a different personality because it has different foods and experiences (and thus memories) and so forth.
Even if we were able to clone an adult human into another one and by some magic feat 'memories' etc were duplicated as well then their pathways would still diverge from that moment because they are located in two different places and thus have different experiences.But of course we can't do that. How could we short of copying not just the DNA but the whole body and brain as well!!!
Not much chance we will ever be able to build a biological human being by mixing the chemicals or atoms together...
I think that there is a lot of fear mongering and mass media hype about cloning.
We can't do very well at it yet anyways...
Posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:43:47
In reply to Re: cloning anyone? » mmcconathy, posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:38:50
Or maybe we didn't clone Dolly...
I was sure we got the first cloned sheep...Hmm.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:46:28
In reply to Re: cloning anyone?, posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:43:47
PS
I don't think we should be so quick to clone humans just yet..
I mean the early aging etc is pretty harsh.
You wouldn't purposely want to inflict that on a potential person just for the novelty of having a clone - would you???I really cannot believe all this b*llshit about clones being second class citizens. Whatever next - is an identical twin 'not a real person' solely in virtue of being a duplicate???
Insane.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 26, 2005, at 10:49:28
In reply to Re: cloning anyone?, posted by alexandra_k on February 25, 2005, at 23:46:28
Right. And they think we're going to try to create a 'robot society.' Huh?
I had a cat ages ago that I soved so dearly if I had an inkling this would be possible I would have saved something and I'd clone him in a heartbeat.
And if it were possible today, I'd clone myself right away.
Why? Because in me there were so many possiblities - I'm smart, funny (sometimes) and kind (most of the time.) I would love to see what I could have been if I'd grown up in a different environment.
Posted by alexandra_k on February 26, 2005, at 23:31:18
In reply to Re: count me in? » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on February 26, 2005, at 10:49:28
> I'm smart, funny (sometimes) and kind (most of the time.) I would love to see what I could have been if I'd grown up in a different environment.
Ah. But maybe you wouldn't be smart, funny, and kind if you were brought up in a different environment ;-)
Posted by AuntieMel on February 27, 2005, at 14:05:03
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on February 26, 2005, at 23:31:18
Well, smart is something you are born with. Like red hair. It's neither something to be proud of or ashamed of.
And I think funny and kind are naturally in all of us, unless it gets squished out.
But think of what I could have been if I had been encouraged instead of belittled. Reasoned with instead of beaten.
There is a large part of me that wants to find out.
Posted by anastasia56 on February 27, 2005, at 16:36:04
In reply to Re: count me in? » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on February 27, 2005, at 14:05:03
auntie mel,
it breaks my heart to hear you were physically and emotionally abused as a child. i often wonder what my aunt and uncle would have been like if my grandfather hadn't beaten them so severely while they were growing up. and it makes me angry. i can only hope that things are different these days and that the children would be taken away from him now.
ana
Posted by AuntieMel on February 27, 2005, at 17:02:29
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by anastasia56 on February 27, 2005, at 16:36:04
Thanks. You are so sweet.
For the most part I've made my peace with those days, and as I predicted when he died he was alienated with just about all of his family.
His doing, not ours. I tried till the day he died to give him chances. It didn't work, but I can live with myself knowing I tried.
Posted by anastasia56 on February 27, 2005, at 20:39:48
In reply to Re: count me in? » anastasia56, posted by AuntieMel on February 27, 2005, at 17:02:29
it's funny how i was able to make peace with being beaten while i was growing up but i still can't be calm about my mothers father doing it to them. being able to let go of it is the healthiest thing you can do for yourself. i'm proud of you even tho i don't know you...but i can say that because i know how hard it can be.
ana
Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 3:40:28
In reply to Re: count me in? » anastasia56, posted by AuntieMel on February 27, 2005, at 17:02:29
What I meant by 'maybe you wouldn't be smart, funny, and kind if you were raised in a different environment' is that maybe you wouldn't have these traits to the high degree that you do.
I am sorry to hear that you had a sh*t time of it growing up :-(
I do often wonder though, whether people who have had such a crap time of it may also have a greater potential to end up better people than if they had had a 'satisfactory' upbringing.
I don't know.
That isn't to condone it or anything like that. But I often think that I wouldn't value compassion and empathy and kindness as much as I do now if I hadn't had my upbringing. I wouldn't work on myself as much. I may have been a lot more judgemental toward others (like streetkids and drug addicts and beneficiaries so forth).
I don't know...
Posted by AuntieMel on February 28, 2005, at 14:41:44
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 3:40:28
I can't see how a rough upbringing can be beneficial at all.
My kids didn't have the same environment I had and they grew up to be smart, funny, kind - and secure.
Posted by AuntieMel on February 28, 2005, at 14:43:33
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 3:40:28
Posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 15:36:08
In reply to Re: count me in? » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on February 28, 2005, at 14:41:44
> I can't see how a rough upbringing can be beneficial at all.
>
> My kids didn't have the same environment I had and they grew up to be smart, funny, kind - and secure.I apologise if I sounded disrespectful to your horrible (and inexcusable) childhood experiences. I also apologise if I sounded disrespectful to your kids (and all those out there who had good upbringings).
I guess we will never know.
It just helps me to try to figure that some good has come of my experiences. Or at the very least that I can turn them into something good. Otherwise I am in danger of falling into the pit and raging 'it is not fair'.
But maybe it is a disrespectful idea.
I don't know.
Sorry.
Posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:19:26
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 15:36:08
How's about when I die they clone me, raise IT to teenage years and transplant my frozen brain into my clone. I would donate the extra brain to someone who needed it.
Extra creepy...
Extra brains too.
Brains all around.
I have to sleep now and dream,
clones and brains, brains and clones.
Posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:23:47
In reply to what if?, posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:19:26
If you get yourself cloned and pay for it do you own the clone?
A clone ranch possibly?
Clone to own!
Posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:30:22
In reply to Re: cloning anyone?, posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:23:47
If you had sex with your own clone would it be considered masturbating?
He's blown his own clone!
Would you have to be gay to blow your clone?
Just don't leave me alone with my own clone.
Posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:34:11
In reply to Re: cloning anyone?, posted by medhed on March 1, 2005, at 5:30:22
USA is a clone free zone!
Goodnight.
Posted by AuntieMel on March 1, 2005, at 13:20:59
In reply to Re: count me in? » AuntieMel, posted by alexandra_k on February 28, 2005, at 15:36:08
I didn't take it as disrespect. I took it as a philosophical discussion. No need to apologize. Okey-dokey?
Posted by alexandra_k on March 2, 2005, at 0:10:10
In reply to Re: count me in? » alexandra_k, posted by AuntieMel on March 1, 2005, at 13:20:59
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