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Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 1:08:57
In reply to Re: Please list strategies for successful withdrawal: » dancingstar, posted by SLS on February 15, 2005, at 18:54:29
I've been posting just that since September.
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 1:08:57
In reply to Re: Please list strategies for successful withdrawal:, posted by dancingstar on February 15, 2005, at 23:20:47
...of course, whether or not it is "successful" is a matter of opinion.
Unanswered questions that I continue to ask myself and anyone that will listen:
Why should we have to go through this in the first place?
Why should there be a need for a board like this?
Why should doctors prescribe drugs that cause this much damage to one's body, mind, and spirit?
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 1:26:44
In reply to Re: Please list strategies for successful withdrawal: » dancingstar, posted by dancingstar on February 15, 2005, at 23:37:13
OK- let's look into this...
What are you withdrawing from?
Are you withdrawing under a doc's care?
What were the reasons for going off the med?
What symptoms are you experiencing?
> ...of course, whether or not it is "successful" is a matter of opinion.
>
> Unanswered questions that I continue to ask myself and anyone that will listen:
>
> Why should we have to go through this in the first place?
>
> Why should there be a need for a board like this?
>
> Why should doctors prescribe drugs that cause this much damage to one's body, mind, and spirit?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 8:32:04
In reply to Re: Please list strategies for successful withdrawal: » dancingstar, posted by dancingstar on February 15, 2005, at 23:37:13
dancingstar,
You wrote,[...unanswerd questions...why should we have to go through this... why ...a board like this...why...doctors prescribe drugs that cause...damage...to... body mind and spirit?...].
You question as to the above is "why". The answere could be in some respects in the history of psychiatry and the use and the manufacturing of mind-altering drugs.
There is an historical record 5000 years ago in Sumaria where opium was used by the Sumarians. There is also Oriental historical records. The Sumarians were easily conquered. Then inhalants were used by the Greeks and other psychotropic drugs from plants and floweres were found to have a psychoactive or hallucinogenic effect. These drugs were used to alter the mind and there were people then called pharmakapiens (sp) that made the drugs and marketed them. Hirered killers used hemp resins, called hashheesh and they killed for a living. They were called hasheeshans, which later became the word,'assassins". The Greeks that used drugs for mind-altering were called "sorcerers" which in Greek is pharmicpians. Our word,"pharmacy" goes back to that.
more,
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 11:04:16
In reply to Lou's response to dancingstar's post-hstryofpsych » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 8:32:04
Thanks, Lou, for your explanation. I believe that it is right on target.
As you can see this is a re-directed post. I've been posting on how much I hate Effexor since I found out that it was the source of my three-year illness and unanticipated and thoroughly disgusting withdrawal syndrome this past September.
Someone had asked if I were going to post a solution to the problem, and I have actually spent many hours posting solutions to the problem if anyone wants to look back in the posts. The only real problem is that there is no "solution" to the problem because the withdrawal drama is a bit permanent for some of us. We do not heal completely; hence completely innocently, some of us for reasons like pain or lack of energy, have taken a drug that actually caused those very same problems to be compounded and are now saddled with some potentially greater problems than we had in the first place.
Hence, my meeting with the most wonderful lawyers on earth in the next half hour, the ones that are most likely going to come to our rescue; the only ones that I've been to find that think it's pretty awful that the other firms only want dead people and their relatives as clients.
I broke down and called a client of my own, though I didn't want to mix my own medical problems with my business -- Boy, I really didin't want to do that -- but on behalf of myself and everyone that needs this and the 7400 people that signed the Effexor petition if they are interested -- it has been my mission to have Wyeth-Ayerst publically answer some questions, and I have finally garnered a bit of support. I'm hoping that family practitioners, internists, gynecologists, orthopaedists, and others will elect to join me and other patients in our pursuit of justice as they, too, are innocent victims of the lack of information put forth about the dangers of this drug.
We'll just have to see what happens, but I should know more than I have in a long time within the time it takes to go make a cup of coffee.
-Bebe
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 11:25:48
In reply to Re: Lou's response to dancingstar's post-hstryofpsych, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 11:04:16
dancingstar,
You wrote a lot here about your situation. Could you explain further, for I have not read the posts that came from the thread that this was redirected from.
Lou
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 13:23:09
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 11:25:48
There is a song that just popped in my head when Lou explained that the army was easily defeatedbecause they were on Opium....
thought I'd share
Army's On Ecstasy
OysterheadThe Army's on ecstasy so they say
I read all about it in USA Today
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on ol' MDMASaid the King of contradiction
To the Queen of mystery
The Prince of paradox,
He dogs me like a flea
So I'll set my troops upon him
And bring him to his knees
When all is said and done
I'll pick a fight with the Chinese
The Queen she stared at him long and hard
And then she softly said
I'll rub you down with linseed oil
To ease your throbbing head
She slipped a note in an apricot
And threw it to the whores
The jester read the words
Something wicked this way roarsThe Army's on ecstasy so they say
I read all about it in USAToday
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on ol' MDMAThe price they put upon the heads
Of folks with poignant views
Would be better spent on the children
Without shoes
And when the King condoned
The actions of the liar
He forgot to weight the awesome power
Of the village crierThe Army's on ecstasy so they say
I read all about it in USAToday
They stepped up urine testing to make it go away
'Cause it's hard to kill the enemy on ol' MDMA
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 13:54:50
In reply to Amry's On Ecstasy, posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 13:23:09
Hmmm....interesting song.
Did you know that they are somewhat routinely giving Effexor to Iraqi vets as they return home from war. Could this be to numb their bodies and minds?
And the next verse would be?
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:04:33
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 11:25:48
Hi Lou,
I haven't got time now to go into the whole thing in detail. Besides, I spent so many hours posting about it on Psycho-Babble that truly I'm a bit burned out.
When the spirit moves me and I am explicitly permitted to say more, I'll try to elaborate. In the meantime, knowing that I've at long last miraculously found someone incredibly wonderful to carry the ball is so comforting that I can go get some work done with my heart at peace for the very first time since September (she said, and then exhaled a deep sigh of relief.)
Blessings to all....
Bebe
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:14:03
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy » Angielala, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 13:54:50
I know... this all kills me... doesn't it seem weird that we seem to know more than the "docs" sometimes? It's liek you want to jump up and down and get people's attention and say "NO- listen *I* was ON THAT and it did more harm than good- and I talked to 2 million others that feel the same way- LISTEN TO ME"
How do people like us get a voice?
> Hmmm....interesting song.
>
> Did you know that they are somewhat routinely giving Effexor to Iraqi vets as they return home from war. Could this be to numb their bodies and minds?
>
> And the next verse would be?
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:15:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:04:33
Dancingstar-
Could you paste the link of where you explain things- I would really like to read up on what you are going through
Thanks!
> Hi Lou,
>
> I haven't got time now to go into the whole thing in detail. Besides, I spent so many hours posting about it on Psycho-Babble that truly I'm a bit burned out.
>
> When the spirit moves me and I am explicitly permitted to say more, I'll try to elaborate. In the meantime, knowing that I've at long last miraculously found someone incredibly wonderful to carry the ball is so comforting that I can go get some work done with my heart at peace for the very first time since September (she said, and then exhaled a deep sigh of relief.)
>
> Blessings to all....
>
> Bebe
>
>
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy, posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:14:03
Hi Angielala,
I think I just got us a voice...but I'll let you know more within the next couple of weeks :-)....
Bebe
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:53:40
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 11:25:48
Hi Lou,
If you go back to psycho-babble in September, you can see that I posted as "dancingstar" from then on except for the time that I was blocked, just recently, when I responded to someone in a way that upset Dr. Bob because I was angry that someone posted links to sites funded by Wyeth as verification that Effexor is a safe drug.
From September through January I have posted many, many things on my feelings about Effexor and the damage it can do. I've posted links galore as well as my intentions to do everything in my power to change things to the best of my ability. I've now been able to pass the ball off to others, wonderful others, and I get to rest and do my work for a while.
If people need help, all they need to do is read what I have previously written as it is all there for them, right here on this site, but it isn't in one place so that I can't provide one link. It started with "Has Anyone Had Success on Effexor" or something like that...and continued on from there.
Posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:55:51
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy » Angielala, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
Ooooo... tell me tell me!
> Hi Angielala,
>
> I think I just got us a voice...but I'll let you know more within the next couple of weeks :-)....
>
>
> Bebe
Posted by sunny10 on February 16, 2005, at 15:01:47
In reply to Re: Amry's On Ecstasy » Angielala, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:32:20
I don't kow about you, dancingstar, but I stopped taking it about five months ago and my brain is still not back to normal. (And, yes, it was a HORRID withdrawal, but I won't go into that here- it's all been said on the med board)
I always won all of the spelling bees at school, was a good writer, had an excellent memory for details (almost OCD-like), and consistently thought twenty steps ahead (which comes in handy in my career).
Now I can't spell, can hardly form comprehensible sentences, forget things within five minutes, and can barely think at all- forget about thinking ahead!
I may be more able to "deal with my emotions", which means that the Effexor managed my chemicals long enough for the therapy to have an affect, but am now so stressed over the "med's rotten leftovers", that I now suffer from stress instead of MDD !
I'm not sure that I would have chosen stress (and all of it's inherent bodily illnesses) over dpression if I had been told by the docs that one would be replaced by the other by taking the meds...
Yes, people need a voice. It's too late for me, but it's not for someone who will be diagnosed and medicated tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade... Hopefully THEY, at least will accept a medication with "informed consent"...
Thank you for doing what I would never be strong enough to do. I really think what you're doing is great!
-sunny10
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:02:12
In reply to Ohhh- this sounds good!, posted by Angielala on February 16, 2005, at 14:55:51
Please write me at Bebe0217@aol.com :-)
Posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by sunny10 on February 16, 2005, at 15:01:47
I'm not back to normal. My brain is, kind of, but I worry about a few things...like those bumpy things that I'm afraid could affect the heart. I get that feeling usually when I'm a little stressed, but I also get them in the middle of the night, like if you take antibiotics that you are allergic to. My stomach is still kind of off, and my neck and upper back are getting better, but still are not quite right. I'm much more calm than I was, but it has been a long and very slow process. For those of us that never took Effexor for depression of any kind to begin with, that is a true rip-off.
But since I stopped taking it, I've been thinking very clearly...very, very clearly. And I instantly got my energy back when I stopped taking the drug.
You've already written to me??? Yes? I lose track of who is who on this site, I'm really sorry.
If not, please file a record of your problem with the FDA. Here's the link:https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/medwatch/
If there is any way to send me some verification that you've filed this so that I know I am not picking up drug company shills along the way, that would be greatly appreciated.
Besides that, it isn't too late...well, not really :-)
Bebe
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 19:55:21
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-furexplan » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 14:53:40
ds,
I now know a little more about what you have been writing about. I was attempting to asnswer your question of "why".
I was going to show how mind, mood -altering drugs started in Sumaria and the orient and then trace the development through the middle ages, world war one and then world war 2 and to now.
This may not be what you asked?
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 0:31:53
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-mndaltdrgs » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 16, 2005, at 19:55:21
Not really, you're right. The question when posted onto this board from the other lost its context. It was mostly rhetorical. I didn't understand what you were trying to understand, Lou, I'm sorry.
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2005, at 9:41:41
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to dancingstar-mndaltdrgs » Lou Pilder, posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 0:31:53
ds,
You wrote,[...I didn't understand what you were trying to understand...].
I now understand after seeing that this is involved in another thread.
I was going to answer the question by you,"why?", by writing what I have found out by studying the attempts by goverments and entities to develope mind-control tactics historically, the use and development of drugs to make people's minds able to be controlled, the things that I have found out studying about the relationship to psychiatry to all of this and the world-wide economic issues involving the German pharmacy conglomerates and their offshoots, from around 1880 to now.
I then was going to write what I have studied to find out about the chemical constintuants of psychotropic drugs and what they do to the nervous system and the mind of those that take them. Then I was going to write here what I have found out about the drug, Effexor.
Is all of this moot?
Lou
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 12:40:28
In reply to Lou's reply to dancingstar-almot? » dancingstar, posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2005, at 9:41:41
Hi Lou,
I pretty much understand the economic history of psychotropic and other drugs and how we got to this point. It was truly a rhetorical question.
If you have any specific information about Effexor, I am very interested knowing about that because that particular drug has caused me great physical and ultimately emotional harm.
Thanks, Lou.
Bebe
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:49:48
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy » sunny10, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
my brain is still mush- can't think clearly (in comparison to before) my energy is NOT back, AND I have the rest of the stuff you mention, too...
How long have you been off? I'm hoping I still have a chance that I might get my clear thinking back, at least...
I'm going to check out the website- DEFINITELY no drug company shill HERE !!!
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:54:39
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy » sunny10, posted by dancingstar on February 16, 2005, at 15:14:08
can't get to that website through work's server. Is there a form I can fill out somewhere and an adress to mail it to?
Not everyone has a computer at home...
Posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 13:12:22
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 12:54:39
I took this phone number off of the web site. Maybe they can get you a form to fill out, but I'm not positive how that works.
1-888-463-6332
Posted by sunny10 on February 17, 2005, at 14:08:52
In reply to Re: Army's On Ecstasy, posted by dancingstar on February 17, 2005, at 13:12:22
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