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Posted by nikioct73 on August 25, 2002, at 17:45:54
...I have to keep telling myself people read these things because they do care..part of my depression makes me question everything I do or say and tell myself if I complain people will not want to even know I exsist...I have no one to talk to...I'm so miserable and angry with myself I find it hard to breathe...and all this bawling is giving me a class a headache...have they invented that pill to cure stupid yet..?...I hope they find it soon becasue I'm not sure how much longer I can stand this...my fear of death (or rather whats comes after for me..)diminishes with each shitty daythat goes by...
Posted by Dinah on August 25, 2002, at 19:21:08
In reply to Feeling like a pathetic jackass.., posted by nikioct73 on August 25, 2002, at 17:45:54
Hi Niki.
I'm glad you realize that your thoughts are being colored by your depression. My own problems have more to do with anxiety than depression, but I understand how our emotional states influence our thinking. :(
I also am completely familiar with not wanting to burden others with my problems. My husband and therapist and the folks at Babble are about the only ones I talk to about the bad stuff.
OK, I thought that this was pretty lame when my therapist offered it, but I'll pass it on anyway. Can you challenge the negative thoughts? Logically confront them with reasons you aren't stupid and thoughts of why people would care about you? Or whatever the negative thoughts are.
Actually, while I thought the idea was lame when my therapist offered it, I also use it on occasion and find it helpful.
You have to be honest though, and not let the depression trick you into being blind to all the good things about yourself.
Posted by nikioct73 on August 25, 2002, at 19:38:56
In reply to Re: Feelings influenced by depression. » nikioct73, posted by Dinah on August 25, 2002, at 19:21:08
The thought's might be negative..but they are real and true...'stupid is as stupid does"...and believe me I do stupid
Posted by Phil on August 25, 2002, at 19:50:49
In reply to Feeling like a pathetic jackass.., posted by nikioct73 on August 25, 2002, at 17:45:54
You know, if you don't complain, people will wonder more. Try to be real and not perfect.
Are you on meds?
I was in a controlled study years ago comparing a stupid pill vs. placebo. I was in the stupid pill group. They stopped the testing on the third day when I walked in dumber than dirt. I live in Texas and one of my pillmates was George W. When they sent us home, George W and I sat out in the yard doing pattycakes. I remember, I was thirty and he was 32. We were the only ones in our group to become morons. It was the 80's and we chopped up our pills and snorted them in the bathroom. Well, they said take the pill, they didn't say we had to swallow it.
Posted by nikioct73 on August 25, 2002, at 20:03:11
In reply to That, for me, is a good day : ^ ), posted by Phil on August 25, 2002, at 19:50:49
Thank you...I happen to like GWB...lived in TX for while..he was a good doobie there...but I can see why people think he is dumb..at least he is honest unlike our former Jack ass..p-dent...But whatever..have a good one..I'm feeling beter...up and down up and down...I really neeed to go back on med's...I just can't handle them any more...
Posted by Medusa on August 26, 2002, at 3:55:57
In reply to Re: Feelings influenced by depression. » nikioct73, posted by Dinah on August 25, 2002, at 19:21:08
Well, bring on the problems and complaints, at least here. I don't want to come here and read how great everybody's doing, and be the only person who really needs help. So from a completely selfish point of view, I say, please come here and post what's going on with you. Maybe you can't talk to people IRL about this stuff, I don't know if they really care. (But what does "care" mean anyway?) Depending on the definition, you could say that I don't "care", either. But I can listen, and I'm interested in what's going on with you and others on the board, and sometimes if I work through someone else's experience, it serves as practice and makes my own stuff easier to figure out and move on.
> Can you challenge the negative thoughts?
> Logically confront them with reasons you
> aren't stupid and thoughts of why people would
> care about you?okay, well, this works for some people, but I have to modify it. instead of directly confronting the negative thoughts, I make myself defend them, really defend them. And most of the time, I end up with a mental truce - I don't "think positive", but I can make it pretty clear that people don't necessarily NOT care, and that it's not definite that I'm stupid beyond a doubt. It's really hard to come up with reasons you are stupid.
"Stupid is as stupid does, and I do stupid."
Okay. First. Who said "stupid is as stupid does"? On what authority do you accept this premise? Are you sure you're correct on this?
Then. Maybe it's not stupidity, but something related. Like ignorance. Or laziness. Or something else negative. Try to get more accurate, or more well-rounded, or more detailed, about this stupidity thing you've got going on. You're making it really simplistic, so instead, embrace it, and get to really know those shadows. No fair labeling them "stupidity" - that's too easy.
Try that, let me know if it's blarney.
M
Posted by Dinah on August 26, 2002, at 8:37:05
In reply to alternate suggestion, posted by Medusa on August 26, 2002, at 3:55:57
Thanks Medusa.
I think I'll try that twist on it myself. Maybe it will make that exercise feel less.... well, lame. :)
Dinah
Posted by nikioct73 on August 26, 2002, at 18:40:59
In reply to alternate suggestion, posted by Medusa on August 26, 2002, at 3:55:57
...forest Gump's Mama used to say it...Stupid is as stupid does..:)...I was in quite a snit last night...I was angry at myself..for alot of reasons...and being completely off med's is at times very unsafe for me...sometimes something very silly someone else would brush off like a bug makes me lose it completely...I reacted to a domestic situation like a needy wacko...and I was very lonely and had no one to talk to..the only person in this world who fills up the lonely place in my soul had better things to do than babysit me..(big sigh...)but somehow I made it through yet another night...thank you for the support..you will never now howmuch it meant to have someone "bother" to respond to my raving...
take care all..
Niki
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