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Posted by Hannah on November 20, 2000, at 8:49:11
In reply to Re: Hannah, posted by stjames on November 20, 2000, at 3:35:24
the %##@@%#@%##@%%Samaritans never replied!! Thanks for the tip!
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> Please keep in mind that asking for help then insulting those who would
> help you is counterproductine.
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> j
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 20, 2000, at 9:14:56
In reply to What I meant to say..... » Dr. Bob, posted by Hannah on November 20, 2000, at 8:27:19
> Sorry if anyone's feelings were bruised. Nothing that can't be cured by chocolate I trust.
I don't think I can consider that very respectful of others' feelings, so I'm going to go ahead and block this "handle".
Bob
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 20, 2000, at 10:53:53
In reply to Re: What I meant to say..... , posted by Dr. Bob on November 20, 2000, at 9:14:56
Good Luck with the Samaratins!!
> > Sorry if anyone's feelings were bruised. Nothing that can't be cured by chocolate I trust.
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> I don't think I can consider that very respectful of others' feelings, so I'm going to go ahead and block this "handle".
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> Bob
Posted by Noa on November 20, 2000, at 12:26:55
In reply to Vaya con Dios Hannah, posted by Dasypodidae on November 20, 2000, at 10:53:53
I guess I came in too late to reach Hannah, but maybe she is still reading.
Hannah, I think you confused a lot of people in your posts, and the fact that you were asking for help with feeling suicidal got confused by the insulting words.
I feel so sad that that happened. I hope that you can find somewhere to ask for help without adding comments that might take away from people understanding that you want help from them.
Call the local Samaritans. The number is usually in the front page of the phone book, or get it from 411. Or go to the emergency room.
Take care of yourself. Please.
Posted by B Day on November 20, 2000, at 12:43:21
In reply to Vaya con Dios Hannah, posted by Dasypodidae on November 20, 2000, at 10:53:53
Hannah,
I'm also sorry to see you go. You seemed to be having a pretty rough time of it last night.
As I mentioned last night, you will be missed.
Prays and best wishes,
B
Posted by ksvt on November 20, 2000, at 20:04:57
In reply to Re: Vaya con Dios Hannah, posted by B Day on November 20, 2000, at 12:43:21
>Hannah - let me add myself to the chorus of people sorry to see you feeling so awful and leaving this board. Obviously we were all a little slow in picking up on what was happening to you. I hope you can channel some of the anger you seem to feel towards yourself to clawing your way out of this temporary pit. Good Luck ksvt
Hannah,
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> I'm also sorry to see you go. You seemed to be having a pretty rough time of it last night.
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> As I mentioned last night, you will be missed.
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> Prays and best wishes,
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> B
Posted by ksvt on November 20, 2000, at 20:39:29
In reply to Re: Vaya con Dios Hannah, posted by B Day on November 20, 2000, at 12:43:21
>Hannah - I really hope you're ok. I came to this Board tonight in a pretty horrible frame of mind. I had an appointment with my therapist today where we mostly just talkied about how the last couple of years of therapy have done very little to curb my rather rampant and persistent suicidal ideation. I've come to look at it as an untreatable symptom that is just a part of me now and not necessarily related to depression. It's a pretty awful thought that I'm just going to spend the rest of my life drifting in and out of states where I'm either not thinking about myself at all, or ruminating all the time and feeling very self destructive. I can't figure out what's worse, worrying that I'm wasting my time in therapy or worrying that my therapist is going to bail out on me out of a sense of pure frustration that I can't seem to get it. I know this is probably an unintended result of your posts, but reading through this thread, has forced me to direct myself outward. What you've been going through sounds alot worse than my preoccupations. I hope things start looking up for you. Pax ksvt
Hannah,
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> I'm also sorry to see you go. You seemed to be having a pretty rough time of it last night.
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> As I mentioned last night, you will be missed.
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> Prays and best wishes,
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> B
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 20, 2000, at 20:52:52
In reply to Re: What I meant to say..... , posted by Dr. Bob on November 20, 2000, at 9:14:56
> > Sorry if anyone's feelings were bruised. Nothing that can't be cured by chocolate I trust.
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> I don't think I can consider that very respectful of others' feelings, so I'm going to go ahead and block this "handle".
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> Bob> > Sorry if anyone's feelings were bruised. Nothing that can't be cured by chocolate I trust.
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> I don't think I can consider that very respectful of others' feelings, so I'm going to go ahead and block this "handle".
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> BobDr. Bob do you mean your feelings or did you block Hannah for disrespecting fantasy characters?
I realize she disrespected your person but she did apologize. The chocolate was a reference to Lumptonia, a fantasy. The Lumptonians she insulted were fantasy characters. It's your board and you can ban anyone you want to but I think it's interesting to consider what's real and what's part of a game. Are you the protector of Lumptonia and all it's fantasy characters? Do they have the same "rights" and "obligations" as other posters?
If somebody maligned my butt and called me EVIL I might ban them too but I think I would consider the insult ridiculous enough that any apology would suffice. Was the apology disrespectful of your feelings personally? Or is Hannah being banned for not being respectful of the fantasy characters' feelings?
I'm not trying to cause any controversy,though I obviously disagree with your decision. I am interested to know how you see your relationship with the Lumptonians. They should consider their fantasy quite a success if you've been drawn into it yourself.
Posted by coral on November 20, 2000, at 21:21:15
In reply to Re: What I meant to say..... » Dr. Bob, posted by Dasypodidae on November 20, 2000, at 20:52:52
Dear Dasypodidae,
While I've been a participant in Lumptonia, I am not a fantasy character and got slammed pretty hard by Hannah, as did a couple of other real people. While I do not presume to speak for Dr. Bob, it wouldn't surprise me if the blocking was a response to cumulative attacks.
I sincerely wish the very best for Hannah and am so terribly sorry for any part that I may have played in her difficulties.
While I am loathe to risk offending anyone, I am uncomfortable with the term "fantasy" as I am interpreting its use. If I have misinterpreted, please allow me to apologize in advance. In absolute sincerity, the humor of Lumptonia is very real and has been a very bright spot in some horribly dark days for me.
Something that Shar said earlier --- and I am paraphrasing, that there seems more going on here than just two threads. I'm wondering if she's right.
Could it be possible that humor is on trial here?
Coral
Posted by NikkiT2 on November 21, 2000, at 5:21:29
In reply to The Dark Night of the Unlumpy, posted by Hannah on November 19, 2000, at 23:14:08
And how were the rest of us to know that the chocolate thing was a reference to Lumptonia?? I know you're all getting very protective of it, but I read the comment as very dismissive of anyone elses feelings.
~sighs~ Maybe non-lumptonians simply aren't good enough any more to post / read anything anymore, and anything bad that happens can easily be explained away as a "lumptonian thing". Just bear in mind other people - please.
Nikki
Posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 6:11:51
In reply to The chocolate comment..., posted by NikkiT2 on November 21, 2000, at 5:21:29
Dear Nikkie,
My reference had nothing to do with the chocolate comment or anything Lumptonian at all. Obviously, I'm completely misunderstanding your point.
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 7:43:16
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment..., posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 6:11:51
I'd like to try, for now, limiting Lumptonian references and expressions to the "Labrassador" thread. OK
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20001117/msgs/3028.htmlWill do!!!!! THANKS DR BOB!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by NikkiT2 on November 21, 2000, at 7:53:13
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment..., posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 6:11:51
Coral - it was directed at Dasypodidae!! Sorry, should have put the name of the poster on there!!
Hectic hectic day at work, brain not in full gear, and it's my birthday!!!! Had to cancel lunchtime drinkies cos of too much work.. so unfair!! :o)
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 8:04:39
In reply to Restricting Content per Dr Bobs decree :o), posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 7:43:16
Good Morning Hannah
I'm posting a Gerard Manley Hopkins poem for you and anyone else who is struggling. My favorite phrase is "that year of now done darkness". Because the fact that it will end or even the possibility that it will end is something to cling to. And encouraging you to hope, wish day come, and not choose not to be.
NOT, I’ll not, carrion comfort, Despair, not feast on thee;
Not untwist—slack they may be—these last strands of man
In me ór, most weary, cry I can no more. I can;
Can something, hope, wish day come, not choose not to be.
But ah, but O thou terrible, why wouldst thou rude on me 5
Thy wring-world right foot rock? lay a lionlimb against me? scan
With darksome devouring eyes my bruisèd bones? and fan,
O in turns of tempest, me heaped there; me frantic to avoid thee and flee?
Why? That my chaff might fly; my grain lie, sheer and clear.
Nay in all that toil, that coil, since (seems) I kissed the rod, 10
Hand rather, my heart lo! lapped strength, stole joy, would laugh, chéer.
Cheer whom though? the hero whose heaven-handling flung me, fóot tród
Me? or me that fought him? O which one? is it each one? That night, that year
Of now done darkness I wretch lay wrestling with (my God!) my God.
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 8:13:15
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment... » coral, posted by NikkiT2 on November 21, 2000, at 7:53:13
I think you may have misunderstood me a little but I think Dr Bob has solved the problem by asking posts on that unfortunate subject(in my personal opinion no offense to anybody else) to be restricted to one thread.
Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!
D
> Coral - it was directed at Dasypodidae!! Sorry, should have put the name of the poster on there!!
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> Hectic hectic day at work, brain not in full gear, and it's my birthday!!!! Had to cancel lunchtime drinkies cos of too much work.. so unfair!! :o)
Posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 8:20:28
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment... » coral, posted by NikkiT2 on November 21, 2000, at 7:53:13
Dear Nikki,
Ooops!! Sorry...
HAPPY BIRTHDDAY!!!!!! And, they're working you too hard! On your birthday? Not fair!!!!!
Just celebrate your birthday for a week! :)
Coral
Posted by Noa on November 21, 2000, at 11:10:37
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment..., posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 8:20:28
OK, how did y'all know it was Nikki's B-day?
Happy Birthday, Nikki! Celebrate!
Posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 12:20:18
In reply to Re: The chocolate comment..., posted by Noa on November 21, 2000, at 11:10:37
Dear Noa,
I divined that it was Nikki's birthday through an ancient and secret ritual by considering the alignment of the oak leaves as they fell during the recent cold blustery weather.... :)
Actually, I found out by answering a post that wasn't meant for me (would that make me guilty of evesreading???) when she pointed out my error by kindly taking on the responsibility of my mistake, indicating she wasn't thinking clearly because she had too much work to do to celebrate her birthday!
Warmly,
Coral
Posted by Noa on November 21, 2000, at 15:06:30
In reply to Re: To Noa, posted by coral on November 21, 2000, at 12:20:18
Thanks for solving the mystery--sometimes I am amazed at what I miss around here!
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 21:16:10
In reply to Re: To Noa, posted by Noa on November 21, 2000, at 15:06:30
I don't have anything to say except that just because some people make fun of you doesn't mean they're right. There are still people who do want you to hang on and will try to listen to you and help you. I encourage you to hang on. I hope you find a place where people are willing to be kind to you. Keep in mind that the other people on this board (including me) have problems too. And some of the cruel and sarcastic threads may be the reflection of that rather than intentional attempts to inflict pain on you. That's giving them the benefit of the doubt, but why not? I hope your Samaritan got in touch with you and things are looking up. I noticed your attempts to reach out to some of the others and to give support or comfort as well as your unfortunate attempt to join the "games". I think you're worth a lot as a person and hope you can learn to see that too. God be with you.
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 21:28:03
In reply to Hi Hannah and other Suicidal people, posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 21:16:10
Here's a link to the about site for mental health. It has loads of links. I know there are lots of other resources out there. In fact so many, it's kind of overwhelming. I know the Depression site at About has a chat room if you like that kind of thing. I know how hard holidays can be.
http://mentalhealth.about.com/index.htm?rnk=c2&terms=Mental+Health
> I don't have anything to say except that just because some people make fun of you doesn't mean they're right. There are still people who do want you to hang on and will try to listen to you and help you. I encourage you to hang on. I hope you find a place where people are willing to be kind to you. Keep in mind that the other people on this board (including me) have problems too. And some of the cruel and sarcastic threads may be the reflection of that rather than intentional attempts to inflict pain on you. That's giving them the benefit of the doubt, but why not? I hope your Samaritan got in touch with you and things are looking up. I noticed your attempts to reach out to some of the others and to give support or comfort as well as your unfortunate attempt to join the "games". I think you're worth a lot as a person and hope you can learn to see that too. God be with you.
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 21:49:55
In reply to Hannah if you're out there, posted by ksvt on November 20, 2000, at 20:39:29
today where we mostly just talkied about how the last couple of years of therapy have done very little to curb my rather rampant and persistent suicidal ideation. I've come to look at it as an untreatable symptom that is just a part of me now > >
Me too ksvt me too. Prozac totally stopped the sudden overwhelming suicidal impulses I had when I was younger and I am grateful for that. But it didn't touch the slower persistent but less overwhelming thoughts. I don't know why I'm posting this gloomy report about myself. But it made me feel less alone to know that someone else is struggling with this. Thanks and I wish the best for you.
Posted by shar on November 21, 2000, at 22:20:52
In reply to Re: Suicidal people, posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 21:28:03
There is a website for people in crisis and contemplating suicide. It is www.metanoia.org and is a very good place to visit if someone is feeling like acting on their suicidal feelings.
I have had unrelenting suicidal ideation since I was a young child (good training from the "you should never have been born" club, I think). As an adult, the only respite I had was a short time on Zoloft before it pooped out. I hope it will go away if I find the right mix of ADs, but so far it has been quite stable, always there.
If someone is not clear about how they are feeling, or talks in code, or mixes cruelty with sarcasm and "cries for help" I am not likely to see that person as someone genuinely asking for help. Most people on this board, in my experience, who are feeling desperate or suicidal are pretty blunt about it, or angry, -- but quite clear. I "hear" that (as do many others here that respond to that sense of despair that comes through).
Shar
Posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 23:27:36
In reply to Suicide Web Site, posted by shar on November 21, 2000, at 22:20:52
> There is a website for people in crisis and contemplating suicide. It is www.metanoia.org and is a very good place to visit if someone is feeling like acting on their suicidal feelings.
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Thanks for posting that,I'm going to go check it out.
> I have had unrelenting suicidal ideation since I was a young child (good training from the "you should never have been born" club, I think). As an adult, the only respite I had was a short time on Zoloft before it pooped out. I hope it will go away if I find the right mix of ADs, but so far it has been quite stable, always there.
I'm sorry. It must be horrible. I hope you will find the right mix too. At least the Zoloft let you know that it was possible to feel some other way. Of course I guess in some ways that was a mixed blessing since now you know what you are missing. I used to think what if the final horror was that everyone felt the way I did and just didn't talk about it and there was no other possibility. Anyway I really am sorry.
>> If someone is not clear about how they are feeling, or talks in code, or mixes cruelty with sarcasm and "cries for help" I am not likely to see that person as someone genuinely asking for help. Most people on this board, in my experience, who are feeling desperate or suicidal are pretty blunt about it, or angry, -- but quite clear. I "hear" that (as do many others here that respond to that sense of despair that comes through).
I guess it takes all kinds of listeners. I think people can sometimes have a hard time communicating overpowering emotions. I heard an almost overwhelming sense of pain and despair and hopelessness and anger and rejection. I certainly don't intend any criticism of you for hearing something different.
D
Posted by shar on November 22, 2000, at 7:56:23
In reply to Re: Suicide Web Site » shar, posted by Dasypodidae on November 21, 2000, at 23:27:36
>I certainly don't intend any criticism of you...
D--
None taken. I'm very sure of what I didn't hear.Shar
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