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Posted by Dinah on January 26, 2012, at 19:15:10
In reply to I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 17:26:32
Why?
Don't I recall that you've tried before and it didn't work out? Stopping one at a time seems like a more sensible step.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 20:21:58
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on January 26, 2012, at 19:15:10
I'm angry at my Pdoc, I don't want a different one and I'm not sure I wouldn't be better off without the meds anyway
Posted by Phillipa on January 26, 2012, at 20:50:39
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 20:21:58
I understand how you feel about the med issue but don't let anger at a person threaten to unstabalize your mental health Phillipa
Posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 5:19:25
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 20:21:58
What did your pdoc do?
Posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 5:28:53
In reply to I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 26, 2012, at 17:26:32
I wonder why, when we're angry, it's such a common reaction to want to take it out on ourselves?
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 12:05:46
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 5:19:25
Well, I was heading to my appointment, and I was running late. I thought that maybe I should just call, and say I couldn't make it. But I trudged on as quick as I could and got there about 6 minutes late for my 15 minute appointment. I'd otherwise have an appointment over the phone which is less helpful.
I open the door to his office, and a young woman was walking right out, so I thought. "oh, she just finished her appointment. I'm late, but he was still working."
The door to his inner office was open, but I'm not in the habit of just walking into people's offices, so I knocked lightly. Pdoc appeared, I said "I should come in? Yes?". He says nothing. I say "no?", and then realize I should just walk in.He tells me that was acting out. That it has been discussed before that when his door is open, that I should come in.
I said that I thought the girl before had just left (I didn't think he was waiting for me), and I didn't usually walk into people's offices without an invitation. He asked me with annoyance if he wasnt supposed to be allowed to sit at his desk, but had to wait for me??he was telling me that I was acting out my anger, being obstinate, unreasonable.
and he shouldn't be someone I'm angry at.
I didn't really see any opportunity for helpful discussion on my part, so I shut my mouth.
Posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 12:47:26
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 12:05:46
Ok, he was being an *ss.
Is he often one? I can forgive an occasional bout of *ssitude. Perhaps the person leaving gave him a very hard time.
But if it's habitual, I can see trying to find a new one.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 15:33:01
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc, posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 5:28:53
It is making me reevaluate the situation. Do I need meds in my life? Do the benefits outweigh other things? Only one way to know, but I'm not going to stop them all tomorrow.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 15:39:39
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on January 27, 2012, at 12:47:26
He has a lot of redeeming qualities, but lately he just gets me angry by calling me angry.
I don't want another Pdoc.
If I leave, then that's it.
Posted by sigismund on January 27, 2012, at 16:14:23
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 12:05:46
That would annoy the sh*t out of me the way you have described it.
Posted by emmanuel98 on January 27, 2012, at 18:54:49
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 12:05:46
Definitely unfriendly. Is he usually like this? What is the usual protocol? When I see my p-doc, I sit in his waiting room - his office door is always closed -- and when he's ready he opens the door and says hello and come on in. I would never just walk it, even if his door was open.
Maybe your p-doc was having a bad day. OTOH, a 15 minute appointment? My p-doc sets med appointments for 1/2 hour. But then, he's semi-retired, doesn't need the money, so takes a more leisurely approach.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 22:03:55
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc, posted by emmanuel98 on January 27, 2012, at 18:54:49
I have pretty much the same set up, except that when I've been late in the past he's left the door open.
I didn't think it all through, I mean I was just trying to not miss my little freaking appointment, you know so I can get yelled out and hear about how I'm acting out.
Posted by emmanuel98 on January 27, 2012, at 22:15:50
In reply to Down with meds » emmanuel98, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 22:03:55
Yeah, I get while you are p***sed. He acted like a real jerk. It's up to you to decide, do I really even need these meds? Don't know what you're taking, but some meds need to be cut back a little at a time --especially benzos and anti-seizure drugs like lamictal.
Good luck. Keep us all posted.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 28, 2012, at 0:03:44
In reply to Re: Down with meds, posted by emmanuel98 on January 27, 2012, at 22:15:50
Thanks
Posted by sigismund on January 28, 2012, at 15:15:31
In reply to Re: Down with meds » emmanuel98, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 28, 2012, at 0:03:44
You have complained about feeling irritable for so long.
This is for your information.....
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 28, 2012, at 20:33:19
In reply to Re: Down with meds » sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on January 28, 2012, at 15:15:31
I totally agree with alchemy there. I absolutely got agitated when it was started, and when the dose was raised.
I even got the super happys once. That was in the hospital. I told the nurse of course, and he said that shouldn't happen, and I got asked for a urine sample. Drug test I presume?
Silliness... it had to be my fault of courseActually though, it decreased my irritability after I got to a certain dose, and was on it for a while.
Am I irritable a lot? sometimes
At times, but anxiety is my real beast.
Posted by raisinb on January 28, 2012, at 21:05:50
In reply to Down with meds » emmanuel98, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 27, 2012, at 22:03:55
Your pdoc's behavior sounds bizarre to me. I would either ditch him or tell him off.
However, that's not a reason to stop meds or stop seeing pdocs if you need them.
Posted by papillon2 on January 29, 2012, at 0:45:19
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc » sleepygirl2, posted by sigismund on January 26, 2012, at 17:29:58
Do you see a therapist/psychologist independent of your psychiatrist? Would you consider seeing one?
I know it sucks to go to the effort of finding someone new who you trust and is a good 'fit', but I think seeing a psychologist is crucial if you are serious about ceasing meds and don't want to relapse.
- Psychologists can teach you ways to handle and even recover from mental illness without using meds (where possible).
- The good ones will tell you when you need to be referred to a psychiatrist for medication, i.e. they know their limits.
- And if you do need to see a psychiatrist again, they will likely be able to recommend someone who is a better fit than your current psychiatrist, so you're not taking a stab in the dark.It is really hard to monitor your illness by yourself. Mental illness has a way of sneaking up on you and before you know it you've relapsed badly and are potentially in a worse state than you were before. It's not worth it.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 29, 2012, at 8:35:19
In reply to Re: I think I have to stop seeing my pdoc, posted by papillon2 on January 29, 2012, at 0:45:19
I do see a therapist. He says that I'd need medical supervision.
What will deter me from stopping them abruptly(or even not abruptly) is the discomfort that comes with withdrawal.
I think I'm a relatively 'normal' person who has gone the med route, perhaps not a completely necessary path.
I won't say that I haven't felt ill before, but I know I don't want meds forever.
Thanks, papillon. I'll be careful.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on January 29, 2012, at 9:06:26
In reply to Re: Down with meds, posted by raisinb on January 28, 2012, at 21:05:50
Thanks rb, thinking about whether I need them.
Posted by Willful on February 1, 2012, at 23:25:57
In reply to Re: Down with meds » raisinb, posted by sleepygirl2 on January 29, 2012, at 9:06:26
I can see why you're angry at your pdoc, but I hope it won't irritate you so much if I wonder whether you might be reacting very strongly, given the situation.
It seems precipitous to stop seeing your pdoc and to stop taking meds, both drastic steps that should be thought out and carried out carefully and with help, because of the incident that you decsribed.
I understand not liking meds, and being frustrated with yourself for being late to an appointment, and then being chastised for it. But maybe he had something in mind. If he is someone you usually like, and get along with, maybe there's more to what he was saying-- especially since you want to go so far as to break off all contact, and stop taking meds--even if you don't like what he said or how he said it.
I would be concerned it would be a mistake if you stopped everything at once. Relapses, and even the rebound intensifying of bad feelings and symptoms, can be difficult to remember-- or to deal with once they happen.
I sense that you resent something-- whether it's the 15 minutes, the other woman coming out of his office, something that happened in the prior appointment, or something in yourself-- I dont know -- but why do you shut down? Why move so rapidly in the opposite direction of a course that you've laid out and followed this far-- (no matter what doubts you may have had about it). So I'm just -- concerned.
Willful
Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 2, 2012, at 17:12:51
In reply to Re: Down with meds, posted by Willful on February 1, 2012, at 23:25:57
Thank you. It doesn't irritate me at all to hear thoughtful feedback.
I am angry at him. I am resentful about a lot of things.
I'm not going to stop them all at once, but I will work to get off of them, one at a time.
I am shutting down. I don't feel like I have a choice.
I don't think pills can give me what I need.
I'll be ok.
Posted by Dinah on February 3, 2012, at 7:38:00
In reply to Meds » Willful, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 2, 2012, at 17:12:51
No, pills can't give you what you need. But the right pills can help you help yourself to what you need. It may be that you're on too many meds. I'm far better off now with only three medications that are psychiatric in nature, and only one which is prescribed for psychiatric reasons. And the ability to take them as needed.
With no medications at all, there are times when my anxiety or agitation is off the charts. And other times when I can barely manage to get a nerve impulse from one neuron to another. My brain feels like sludge. Risperdal helps me keep sane in the former, but would be terribly unhelpful in the latter. I am allowed to take extra Provigil on the days when my brain is a slushy marsh, sucking the life out of any thoughts I may have.
It's useless to pretend that I don't take meds for a reason, or to ditch them all. But it's true that at one time a doctor gave me way too many meds, and I ended up taking one med to counteract the side effects from another.
I think the ideal is to be on the bare minimum needed to stabilize brain chemicals. Not to be rid of the lot.
Do you think this has as much to do with your desire to have kids as your anger with your pdoc?
Also, I know how Seroquel knocks you out and helps you sleep. Have you ever tried a less sedating AP?
Posted by sleepygirl2 on February 3, 2012, at 9:44:24
In reply to Re: Meds » sleepygirl2, posted by Dinah on February 3, 2012, at 7:38:00
I think it's about wanting kids, but also being angry at Pdoc.
I want to call him and let him know that I'm having trouble with expressing feelings toward him, but I am afraid he'll think it's irrelevant or silly, or he'll get annoyed with me.
but I am having trouble with itI did try abilify. I think it was initially mood brightening and motivating, but then just added anxiety.
Posted by sigismund on February 5, 2012, at 23:33:19
In reply to Re: Meds » Dinah, posted by sleepygirl2 on February 3, 2012, at 9:44:24
>I think it's about wanting kids,
And, if I recall your age correctly, you don't have that much time left to make a decision. And bear in mind that tapering takes longer than you think, for me, certainly.
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