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Posted by myco on April 2, 2009, at 23:29:52
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 2, 2009, at 23:15:49
Depends on you. It's gonna give you energy via stimulation. For example my mom uses this regularly (me occasionally as it can be used on and off also)..she takes it in the morning around 9am and finds the stimulation wears off around 5pm. but again this is individual. play with timing...this is all a new game in a way...just like an AD you would play around with when you took it, how you divided your doses. If you want to sleep the best though, I would advise taking this sup in the morning/early afternoon to start...giving you an idea of how long it lasts for you and how tolerable, if there are ups and downs etc...how it effects mood and sleep...then you adjust the time. also you may find that splitting the dose up during the day is better. mabye one dose morning and one dose afternoon. Just play dude...experiment. thats all part of the game...its what a dr would do if under care and this was an AD.
> Thanks for all of your valuable info, I greatly appreciate it. I'm excited to begin taking it.
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> Last question; you take your full dose in the morning, is that correct?
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> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 10:02:14
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 2, 2009, at 23:29:52
Do you think that the mucuna could be something comparable to Provigil, just in a non-chemical form?
Regards,
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 10:13:59
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 10:02:14
hmmm...I dont think so. theorhetically you can compare something like this a certain rx meds that work DA and NE but you gotta realize that the bean extract (pretty much a whole food - tons of compounds in it) has a suite of compounds that give different synergistic effects, cancel out some of eachothers effects, have a variety of effects on the individual all in the background of L-Dopa and its effects on DA and NE. If you look at the chemical compounds found in the bean you will tons of health promoting things there that you cant take into account for rx meds.
So in feel perhaps its gonna be close to certain meds like provigil for some people but you are likely to get a more mild effect unless on a massive dose. But L-dopa is a rx med and has been shown in studies to be just as effective coming from that bean or a drs pad for parkinsons patients at particular doses.
Its possible it will be similar but dont bet on it...if a sup was that strong to be comparable in efficacy and recognized by fda then it wouldnt be a sup...itd be an rx med....which brings me to health canadas issue with dopa bean. they argue it contains a rx med (l-dopa) so therefor shouldnt cross the border without an rx....bollocks...this is politics...if a patient can pick up a cheap bean extract like that for dirt cheap and get good effect as opposed to expensive rx meds then the pharm companies would lose business. border guards let stuff like that through all the time...health canada pipes up in complaint but since its not illegal...it may cross and may not. my off topic rant there
Youd have to get provigil and try but again dont bet on it. its gonna milder but most likely more aggreeable to your body
> Do you think that the mucuna could be something comparable to Provigil, just in a non-chemical form?
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 10:29:23
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 10:13:59
Interesting. I found the tyrosine much more stimulating and anxiety producing than Provigil. It's a pretty mild stimulant, but does good work with dopamine, and depression for me. I was just trying to be more "natural".
Is it throwing my CNS for a loop if taking/coming off of valium, while taking a CNS stimulant?
I know it was much more harsh when I was taking the stimulants ritalin etc along with the benzos. I think that was messing with my CNS pretty bad. But I think that Provigil is comproable to a couple cups of coffee.
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 11:00:35
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 10:29:23
Yes valium is giving your CNS "a good go"...all kinds of backlash kind of issues may appear when withdrawing from the benzo.
Natural approach is great if it works well enough for...unfortunately for many, particularly on a board such as this, these methods are far to weak. plus dr's tend to consider herbals/supplements to "border on flakey", so to speak...ive had dr's kind of just ignore or dismiss my interest in natural methods. In a way they have to though...I believe, ethically, they arent allowed to make herbal recommendations using their authority (proper advice) since those methods have not been fully tested.
when using a stim go easy on the benzo or lower the dose of the stim. this is speedball effect...upper and downer same time...why? use benzo for breakthrough anxiety/sleep etc...not to "suppress" the effect of the stim...this is kind of counterproductive isnt it? although the stim may be doing more than just providing energy etc.
Its all a gray area here...just use/do what is best for you. again "listen to your body"...if ritalin and benzo combo make you feel crappy and arent providing enough good although the dr may assure you they will or are working...reconsider or ask questions about that. it is you not him/her that need the best feeling you can get.
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> Interesting. I found the tyrosine much more stimulating and anxiety producing than Provigil. It's a pretty mild stimulant, but does good work with dopamine, and depression for me. I was just trying to be more "natural".
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> Is it throwing my CNS for a loop if taking/coming off of valium, while taking a CNS stimulant?
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> I know it was much more harsh when I was taking the stimulants ritalin etc along with the benzos. I think that was messing with my CNS pretty bad. But I think that Provigil is comproable to a couple cups of coffee.
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 13:16:31
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 11:00:35
> Yes valium is giving your CNS "a good go"...all kinds of backlash kind of issues may appear when withdrawing from the benzo.
>
> Natural approach is great if it works well enough for...unfortunately for many, particularly on a board such as this, these methods are far to weak. plus dr's tend to consider herbals/supplements to "border on flakey", so to speak...ive had dr's kind of just ignore or dismiss my interest in natural methods. In a way they have to though...I believe, ethically, they arent allowed to make herbal recommendations using their authority (proper advice) since those methods have not been fully tested.
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> when using a stim go easy on the benzo or lower the dose of the stim. this is speedball effect...upper and downer same time...why? use benzo for breakthrough anxiety/sleep etc...not to "suppress" the effect of the stim...this is kind of counterproductive isnt it? although the stim may be doing more than just providing energy etc.
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> Its all a gray area here...just use/do what is best for you. again "listen to your body"...if ritalin and benzo combo make you feel crappy and arent providing enough good although the dr may assure you they will or are working...reconsider or ask questions about that. it is you not him/her that need the best feeling you can get.
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yeah, I found that while on Provigil, even though the benzos must have been canceling out any stim effect, apparently the dopamine was still getting through, and working great for depression/anxiety etc.The Ritalins/adderalls etc were much more harsh to use with the benzos, for sure the speedball effect.
That said, still waiting for the mucuna, took a tyrosine this morning, and i can tell something is working. Looks like we've pinned the tail on the donkey, that being dopamine. At least it took all of this playing around to figure it out.
I appreicate your help.
Regards,
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 13:41:34
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 13:16:31
With a lil adjusting and perhaps adding any additional sups/herbs you may need, if any, you should be good to go from the natural perspective. Just play around with the bean and see how it fits...you will some benefit but you may not like it i dunno...its individual but i know for fact that many who cant tolerate tyrosine yet still want natural go mucuna with success. Ive always been interested in these but never found them strong enough for anxiety...they did take the edge off for me though. I will end up messin with DA sups again, at some point perhaps, if my gp refuses to augment with something to boost it. *fingers crossed* for that pdoc appointment coming soon
myco
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> yeah, I found that while on Provigil, even though the benzos must have been canceling out any stim effect, apparently the dopamine was still getting through, and working great for depression/anxiety etc.
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> The Ritalins/adderalls etc were much more harsh to use with the benzos, for sure the speedball effect.
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> That said, still waiting for the mucuna, took a tyrosine this morning, and i can tell something is working. Looks like we've pinned the tail on the donkey, that being dopamine. At least it took all of this playing around to figure it out.
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> I appreicate your help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 13:57:25
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 13:41:34
Good luck with your appointment. I found Provigil nothing short of a miracle drug after years and years of trying every med out there.
I think it's the new snake oil, proving great results for many conditions.
As much as I'd like to stay natural, and away from chemicals, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept it, right?
Regards,
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 14:07:55
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 13:57:25
> As much as I'd like to stay natural, and away from chemicals, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and accept it, right?
totally...but hey, if it wasnt for that understanding gp who wrote that lil scribble on that pad...i would have remained in the sorry state i was in for a long time.sups/herbs make excellent "fine tuners" to a rx med regime...and my favourite part?....i dont have to fight dr's for them.
alas provigil is over the head of my dr im gonna bet but i will bring it up monday when we meet again for round 13 or so lol of my requests for augmentation. gloves on of off my friend? one of us is goin down...LOL prob me. ugh
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 15:00:33
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 14:07:55
Well myco, I just picked up some skullcap herbs to hopefully help me sleep. Remember, I'm not naturally getting tired, just fall asleep, but then have deep sleep, vivid dreams, but then wake up like a deer in the headlights with physical anxiety at 6am.
It says 850mgs twice daily. What would you recommend. What dosage and at what time/s?
Also; do you think that if I can hold out, I'm best served to try the munuca before i begin provigil again? I can tell that the tyrosine is doing something, so we might be on to something.
I'm also on rescue remedy, 2 other flower essences, and 4 homeopathic remedies, and they're working quite well.
Regards,
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 15:14:01
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 15:00:33
i would have suggested scullcap tincture actually but thats ok. The scullcap you treat just like a benzo...for daytime relaxation or to relax before sleep...will promote the initiation of sleep. Take whenever...if its capsule then you need to wait for digestion...probably 30 mins to get going. Thats why i like tincture form better...hits fast plus mixed with alcohol...which aids in absorbtion. Id have to look up the equivalency from tincture to capsules...but just test...see how you feel. it wont hurt you even at relatively high doses...nausea will be your first indication if youve taken to much. Also dont overuse this one...suffers from tolerance issues just like a benzo would. You can use one of those herbal benzos for when you wake up...chill you out. they make sublingual forms of insomnia/calming herbs also...under the tongue like ativan. work actually pretty good unless you have hardcore AD induced insomnia then you need quite a bit of help to get to sleep.
Test out your herbal/sup regimen as monotherapy ideally...that way nothing masks it. you play for a few weeks (if you can) testing dose, time etc...nothing else is in your system...although that increase in anxiety from benzo withdrawal may add to it. I always prefer monotherapy to start then add after to potentiate some effect.
If youre going on provigil not sure you will need the mucuna...but if curious...take a lower dose than normal while on that stimulant. you may run your anxiety into the roof. see how it reacts but again moderation until you know whats going on.
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> Well myco, I just picked up some skullcap herbs to hopefully help me sleep. Remember, I'm not naturally getting tired, just fall asleep, but then have deep sleep, vivid dreams, but then wake up like a deer in the headlights with physical anxiety at 6am.
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> It says 850mgs twice daily. What would you recommend. What dosage and at what time/s?
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> Also; do you think that if I can hold out, I'm best served to try the munuca before i begin provigil again? I can tell that the tyrosine is doing something, so we might be on to something.
>
> I'm also on rescue remedy, 2 other flower essences, and 4 homeopathic remedies, and they're working quite well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:26:55
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 15:14:01
Oddly enough, I never found any stimulation from the provigil, for sure not like ritalin and the others. It seems to calm me, lift depression, sense of well being, less anxeity, sleep fine. Seems to replace my daily anxious thoughts with normal well being/normal/social thoughts.
Hopefully it wouldn't be much of a speedball effect (I think Provigil is only comproable to a couple cups o coffee), and still be able to taper valium slowly. I know that if I'm on valium soley, w/o dopamine, i know that i will think and obsesss about the taper and valium all day long, and drive myself insane, and the day and every minute feels so damn long.
But just 2 days on the Tryosine, I've thought less about, less anxiety about, and could even spread out my dosing on the valium (normally take second dose at 1pm, i can now take at 3 and not freak out), whereas normally, I'll just be obsessing about when the next dose is.
So I think it's worth a shot. We'll see how I feel.
I hope you're able to push provigil on your doc. But most look it up, and are like narcolepsy? Little do they know the extreme benefits people from all across the gamet of psychological health are receiving from it.
Regards,
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 16:35:25
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:26:55
Unfortunately im in the rhealm of gps and well..ya..they tend to read monographs mostly which is a shame. got a referral to a pdoc, one who isnt affraid of augmenting maois, but playing the waiting game as nardil slowly loses its kick to my energy and concentrations levels is driving ME insane lol. anyway...i'll get there. I can add a bit of mucuna here and there to boast energy but i worry about augmenting maois myself without proper guidance/advice from a pdoc...occasionally run into issues...thank god for my common sense to use tiny doses always to start...get the feel for it first. i can see any bp or panic issues coming a mile away this way.
provigil and calmness...interesting. if you could add a mild stimulant to that, like mucuna, successfully you may have something pretty good.
let me know how it goes.
M
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> Oddly enough, I never found any stimulation from the provigil, for sure not like ritalin and the others. It seems to calm me, lift depression, sense of well being, less anxeity, sleep fine. Seems to replace my daily anxious thoughts with normal well being/normal/social thoughts.
>
> Hopefully it wouldn't be much of a speedball effect (I think Provigil is only comproable to a couple cups o coffee), and still be able to taper valium slowly. I know that if I'm on valium soley, w/o dopamine, i know that i will think and obsesss about the taper and valium all day long, and drive myself insane, and the day and every minute feels so damn long.
>
> But just 2 days on the Tryosine, I've thought less about, less anxiety about, and could even spread out my dosing on the valium (normally take second dose at 1pm, i can now take at 3 and not freak out), whereas normally, I'll just be obsessing about when the next dose is.
>
> So I think it's worth a shot. We'll see how I feel.
>
> I hope you're able to push provigil on your doc. But most look it up, and are like narcolepsy? Little do they know the extreme benefits people from all across the gamet of psychological health are receiving from it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:45:17
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 16:35:25
I think the calmness comes from replacing fear, anxiety, obsessions, with the dopamine, sense of well being, confident, positive attitude.
Almost like homeopathic medicine right, treating likes with likes. For me treating anxiety with stimulants/dopamine perhaps.
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 16:58:06
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:45:17
All this talk just got me to take a wee bit of mucuna lol off we go...its friday and imma be soo-pa social tonight
> I think the calmness comes from replacing fear, anxiety, obsessions, with the dopamine, sense of well being, confident, positive attitude.
>
> Almost like homeopathic medicine right, treating likes with likes. For me treating anxiety with stimulants/dopamine perhaps.
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:59:30
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 16:58:06
LOL! Have a great time!
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:19:19
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 16:59:30
Oh last thing I wanna stress....if you arent getting the desired effect of the mucuna...remember i mentioned dopa decarboxlase inhibitors earlier in the posts?...the l-dopa will be converted into dopamine both in brain and other organs/tissues...to prevent dopamine synthesis in any other place but the brain (this is all you want) you can use green tea extract (contains EGCG - a natural decarb. inhib.). Just make sure its the decaf kind...miserable effects with mass doses of caffeine (for me anyway). you take that same time as the mucuna and also add a multivitamin - take the whole lot on an empty stomach (ideally) - no proteins/food in you etc...water or mild juice to wash it down. that will force more dopamine synthesis by blocking periferal formation (wasting some of the l-dopa) of dopamine.
anyway...thats me done.
ciao man...keep in touch
myco
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> LOL! Have a great time!
>
> Brian
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 17:23:14
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:19:19
Found this, think I'm safe as far as stimulation goes.
"In fact, the Army found that Provigil worked no better than the amount of caffeine you received in a big cup of Starbucks coffee. But soldiers on the battlefield don't get their caffeine in a cup of coffee, they use caffeine gum for low doses across many hours. They even admit it kept people awake 1.7 minutes longer than coffee."
And here's the snake oil quote.
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At least half -- and some say as much as 90 percent -- of Provigil's sales are for off-label use, though, or conditions not approved by the FDA."great med.
Brian
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:25:08
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 17:23:14
now a question for you....provigil "feels like caffeine" a'ite....so does it have the crash when it wears off? or the jitteryness?
m
> Found this, think I'm safe as far as stimulation goes.
>
> "In fact, the Army found that Provigil worked no better than the amount of caffeine you received in a big cup of Starbucks coffee. But soldiers on the battlefield don't get their caffeine in a cup of coffee, they use caffeine gum for low doses across many hours. They even admit it kept people awake 1.7 minutes longer than coffee."
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> And here's the snake oil quote.
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> "
> At least half -- and some say as much as 90 percent -- of Provigil's sales are for off-label use, though, or conditions not approved by the FDA."
>
> great med.
>
> Brian
>
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Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 17:27:23
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:25:08
For me no crash or jitteryness what so ever. Nothing compared to coffee, and/or horrible come downs from dexedrine. No peaks or valleys for me.
Very smooth. AND, it is the only stimulant that doesn't mess with your natural sleep cycle, as people are still able to take naps during the day while on it, compared to other stimulants.
Posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:29:40
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 17:27:23
sweet...now must translate this into monographic reading caveman...for mondays battle...my first jolt...ahhh haaa take that you bastard
> For me no crash or jitteryness what so ever. Nothing compared to coffee, and/or horrible come downs from dexedrine. No peaks or valleys for me.
>
> Very smooth. AND, it is the only stimulant that doesn't mess with your natural sleep cycle, as people are still able to take naps during the day while on it, compared to other stimulants.
Posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 20:07:01
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 3, 2009, at 17:29:40
Jeesh, only 500mg of the Tyrosine today, and have bad irritability, restlessness, and anxeity.
Get my munuca tomorrow. Please tell me it doesn't do the same thing.
Brian
Posted by myco on April 4, 2009, at 10:38:08
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily?, posted by qbsbrown on April 3, 2009, at 20:07:01
Keep a calm cool head ok lol
Remember this is a sup and its not gonna be as good as rx meds like i mentioned.
also you went way to fast on the tyrosine...open up those caps and dump out and seperate into quaters or thirds or whatever (all experimentation)...keep in mind that when you add DA in the form of a sup you will get NE (too much and anxiety gets ya)...plus tyrosine has a weird issue of doin this more so than other sups for anxiety patients.
valium withdrawal also gonna add anxiety. as you know.
go slow lol on the bean ok...one dose one day let it ride at that low dose and see. first effects will be the DA - i get concentration increase then sleepy with a cool feeling of tension ease in my chest from DA then it changes - well creeps up slowly - into energy....and if youve ingested to much - getting to much DA - youre gonna get the coresponding amount of NE...then wham anxiety city. so easy goes it lol serious...play...youre an anxiety patient also, to some degree, so take it slow do to added stimulant effect.
If you had an rx med you could approach this differently also....by antagonizing or agonizing DA or - not sure you know but - if you increase DA to much it in turn will decrease some SE and vice versa...the two seperate pathways are connected, in a way, through other compounds. Alot of people who take tyrosine (or DA sups) will add a lil 5htp to calm overstimulation....how does it work?....increase SE from that sup will have a corresponding decrease on DA thus stimulation. Dopa bean or tyrosine at day or morning then 5htp at night....or altering days....i mentioned this. again experiment....this combo does work welll...its the type of "psychopharm" that a naturopath would do with yout.....they use this combo alot. but if you just need added DA and dont mind the NE (go slow) than the bean only. remember also...treat like an AD...over time it will change....side effects may come first.
> Jeesh, only 500mg of the Tyrosine today, and have bad irritability, restlessness, and anxeity.
>
> Get my munuca tomorrow. Please tell me it doesn't do the same thing.
>
> Brian
Posted by myco on April 4, 2009, at 10:44:38
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » qbsbrown, posted by myco on April 4, 2009, at 10:38:08
tons of other ways to mess around with this also...many other herbs/sups have inhibitor properties to block certain steps in pathways...some will potentiate some effect and others will add something else...its all experimentation but do go slow and do mind the fact that mixing certain things can be an issue.
If you are concerned also and have cash yet wanna stay natural in some for....a good way is to get that rx med you like, whatever you decide on if you do...then see what its "missing" then go to a registered naturopath - believe it or not many actually know about rx meds and how to augment safely with sups - then you could approach it that way...i never have cash for these people...they dont fall under the category of "therapy" for my insurance....mind you neither does a pdoc.
> Keep a calm cool head ok lol
> Remember this is a sup and its not gonna be as good as rx meds like i mentioned.
> also you went way to fast on the tyrosine...open up those caps and dump out and seperate into quaters or thirds or whatever (all experimentation)...keep in mind that when you add DA in the form of a sup you will get NE (too much and anxiety gets ya)...plus tyrosine has a weird issue of doin this more so than other sups for anxiety patients.
> valium withdrawal also gonna add anxiety. as you know.
> go slow lol on the bean ok...one dose one day let it ride at that low dose and see. first effects will be the DA - i get concentration increase then sleepy with a cool feeling of tension ease in my chest from DA then it changes - well creeps up slowly - into energy....and if youve ingested to much - getting to much DA - youre gonna get the coresponding amount of NE...then wham anxiety city. so easy goes it lol serious...play...youre an anxiety patient also, to some degree, so take it slow do to added stimulant effect.
> If you had an rx med you could approach this differently also....by antagonizing or agonizing DA or - not sure you know but - if you increase DA to much it in turn will decrease some SE and vice versa...the two seperate pathways are connected, in a way, through other compounds. Alot of people who take tyrosine (or DA sups) will add a lil 5htp to calm overstimulation....how does it work?....increase SE from that sup will have a corresponding decrease on DA thus stimulation. Dopa bean or tyrosine at day or morning then 5htp at night....or altering days....i mentioned this. again experiment....this combo does work welll...its the type of "psychopharm" that a naturopath would do with yout.....they use this combo alot. but if you just need added DA and dont mind the NE (go slow) than the bean only. remember also...treat like an AD...over time it will change....side effects may come first.
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> > Jeesh, only 500mg of the Tyrosine today, and have bad irritability, restlessness, and anxeity.
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> > Get my munuca tomorrow. Please tell me it doesn't do the same thing.
> >
> > Brian
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Posted by Zana on April 4, 2009, at 14:29:46
In reply to Re: Is it ok to just take 5 htp once daily? » myco, posted by myco on April 4, 2009, at 10:44:38
I have been using Provigil for several years. It is a weird drug for me. Some days it makes me up, happy, feeling really good. Other days it seems to have pooped out, like whatever neurotransmitters it is making more available have been used up. Then it just makes me feel like my brain is fried. I do use a "speedball" combination. I take 300mgs of gabapentin with each dose of Provigil - I take 100mgs in the morning and another 100 in the afternoon. I definitely crash off it, feeling weepy etc. But, all that being said, I definitely think it's a really helpful med. I wish I understood what it was doing better. Maybe I'll do some googling.
Zana
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