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Posted by johnj on November 5, 2007, at 13:38:30
Is it a scam or has it been useful for anyone?
Thank you
johnj
Posted by nolvas on November 5, 2007, at 16:35:08
In reply to Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by johnj on November 5, 2007, at 13:38:30
I'll summarise the Linden method for you so you don't need to buy it :) It's as simple as this. Face your fear.
Yup that is it in a nutshell, it takes you through a lot of information about various treatments etc etc, but the real advice is in the end you have to face the fear, and to be honest that is the most powerful advice you can get and the most cast iron way of combating an anxiety disorder. No one said it's easy though.
I'm agoraphobic. I don't stay indoors but I hate places where I can't escape. I recently became agoraphobic about travelling in my car. So much so it really depressed me and scared me terribly. You control your fear, even if you think it controls you. You are the one that makes you scared once you start to realise this then you can make a positive change. I just had to get in my car and feel the fear, and the fear can be damn hard to face. You just gotta do it one step at a time.
Posted by johnj on November 5, 2007, at 17:52:25
In reply to Re: Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by nolvas on November 5, 2007, at 16:35:08
Thank you for the explanation it is appreciated.
johnj
Posted by Sigismund on November 5, 2007, at 20:00:36
In reply to Re: Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by nolvas on November 5, 2007, at 16:35:08
Sometimes you can push yourself too hard, especially in situations (such as parties and dancing) that require a relaxed and confident approach.
Many times I have pushed myself into situations such as these and found myself completely unable to cope (for example, speak).
So it can be difficult, don't you think, working out just how hard it makes sense to push yourself?
Posted by nolvas on November 6, 2007, at 4:41:20
In reply to How hard should you push yourself?, posted by Sigismund on November 5, 2007, at 20:00:36
Indeed and you will have setbacks, sometimes you will feel like you are back to square one. Try and find a professional registered therapist who is educated in C.B.T / Exposure therapy. They will be able to support you and guide you so that you can go at your own pace to recovery.
This book has very high recommendations, definitely worth a read >
Posted by bleauberry on November 10, 2007, at 18:57:26
In reply to Re: Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by nolvas on November 5, 2007, at 16:35:08
So I guess without realizing it I have done the Linden method hundreds of times. Mostly when weaning off zyprexa. But also many many many other times. Even tonight. Scared to death to go play my guitar in church. But you know what, I had to get in the car, face the fear, feel the fear, feel my fingers shake as I catch first glimpse of the church, and the engulfing anxiety walking through the door. One foot in front of the other. One step, literally, at a time. One note at a time, not one song at a time. One word at a time, not one sentence at a time. And before I knew it, the evening was over and everything went fine. As usual. Done it so many times in so many situations. Work and home. When people have the option or the privilege of opting out of something due to anxiety or depression, I think that actually worsens the disease. If they have no choice but to fulfill their obligations with no way out, that I feel is therapeutic. At least in my experience. I didn't know it had a name though. The Linden method. Geez. What will they think of next.
Just go. Do it. No one is going to shoot you. The roof is not going to collapse. You will not be locked in a dark closet. Everything will be fine, even though you cannot possibly imagine or feel that it will be. But it will be. What you are feeling in the anxiety is not real. It is something physical such as deficient magnesium, taurine, serotonin, gaba, or excess lead or mercury or dopamine or norepinephrine that is causing the feelings to exist, or to cause reactions to your environment to be exaggerated. Just know that, and go.
And then, work on figuring out what it is that has the brain in an electrical storm. Probably something as simple as one of the above mentioned things. In the meantime the Linden method can help in coping and making strides in the right direction, but I do not see it as being a cure.
> I'll summarise the Linden method for you so you don't need to buy it :) It's as simple as this. Face your fear.
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> Yup that is it in a nutshell, it takes you through a lot of information about various treatments etc etc, but the real advice is in the end you have to face the fear, and to be honest that is the most powerful advice you can get and the most cast iron way of combating an anxiety disorder. No one said it's easy though.
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> I'm agoraphobic. I don't stay indoors but I hate places where I can't escape. I recently became agoraphobic about travelling in my car. So much so it really depressed me and scared me terribly. You control your fear, even if you think it controls you. You are the one that makes you scared once you start to realise this then you can make a positive change. I just had to get in my car and feel the fear, and the fear can be damn hard to face. You just gotta do it one step at a time.
>
Posted by nolvas on November 12, 2007, at 15:36:28
In reply to Re: Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by bleauberry on November 10, 2007, at 18:57:26
Anxiety is your body's protection mechanism. If you run away from your fears you learn to fear them more intensely. If you can feel the fear and stay in the situation a little longer each time, your body will learn that the situation is not a threat. It takes time and practice. The important thing is to take things easy and not overwhelm yourself. No pain no gain is the unfortunate phrase. There is no gentle horse whisperer way of dealing with anxiety that I know of. The way to cure or cope with it can seem a cruel way but it's the best way.
Posted by Sigismund on November 26, 2007, at 23:35:59
In reply to Re: Anyone try the Linden Method?, posted by nolvas on November 12, 2007, at 15:36:28
>The way to cure or cope with it can seem a cruel way but it's the best way.
Up to a point, hey.
But working out where that point is, that can take some time.
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