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Posted by heaven help me on July 7, 2006, at 14:49:11
Hi, I keep trying to get an idea here, I am on Lamictal and weaning off Geodon. I DO NOT want to put in another medicine. I want to try the alternative route. I can get what I think I need (based on internet research) from the health food store but I do not know if it is ok to start messing with these while I stay on the Lamictal. Does anyone know if there are any dangers in doing such? And what I should be watching for or what risk I am taking? Please. I have 2 weeks left to be fully weaned from Geodon and then PA wants to add in another med, but I want an alternative. Please.
blessings
mary
Posted by dessbee on July 8, 2006, at 8:21:13
In reply to anyone think Lamictal PLUS alternative a bad idea?, posted by heaven help me on July 7, 2006, at 14:49:11
I am not sure what symptoms you want to heal.
The best alternative mood stabalizer is fish oil (4 gram). Please be aware that fish oil can cause insomnia.
Another mood stabalizer is flax seed oil (10 ml)
Please be aware that flax seed oil has to be cold-pressed and bought "refrigerated". It is not something that should be bought over the Internet.
Posted by heaven help me on July 8, 2006, at 11:09:41
In reply to Re: anyone think Lamictal PLUS alternative a bad idea?, posted by dessbee on July 8, 2006, at 8:21:13
sorry, symptoms are:
insomnia
cyclical depression
negative thought patterns
social phobia
ANY ideas for alternatives are appreciated!
blessings
mary
Posted by dessbee on July 8, 2006, at 19:23:58
In reply to my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 8, 2006, at 11:09:41
I am not sure I understand "cyclical depressions".
Do you have manic phases as well?If you do I can only recommend Fish oil and Flax seed oil, since they are good mood stabilizers.
I can not recommend any alternative anti-depressives since your taking Lamictal. I have no personal experience. I beleive you should evaluate Lamictal with your Doctor if you feel that it is not working for you.
Posted by heaven help me on July 8, 2006, at 20:40:16
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by dessbee on July 8, 2006, at 19:23:58
cyclical as in depressed, then nuetral, then depressed, and so on. Never manic.
I see a new pdoc this week and will get to ask about the Lamictal, and, she is open to going the alternative route as well so hopefully we will get somewhere. Thank you
mary
Posted by dessbee on July 9, 2006, at 9:04:14
In reply to Re: my symptoms: » dessbee, posted by heaven help me on July 8, 2006, at 20:40:16
How often do you get depressed?
Is it seasonal or more frequent/rapid shifts?My experience is that anti-depressives should be evaluated over a period of 8-12 weeks since it will take a while before depression heals.
If you decide to quit Lamictal after consulting with your Doctor I beleive st john wort (600 mg) may help. It can be combined with another mood enhancer TMG (trimethylglycine)200 mg .
Both of these supplements have mild side effects.
SJW wort may cause skin irritation and can increase other drugs turn over rate. TMG may casuse insomnia in high doses (> 500 mg).
These supplement can be combined with fish oil.But first of all... evaluate Lamictal with your doctor.
Posted by heaven help me on July 9, 2006, at 12:25:15
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by dessbee on July 9, 2006, at 9:04:14
For me, it was work, work, work, produce much, be efficient, etc,but NOT happy, just working. Then I would crash into deep depression where I could think of no good reason to live. After days, or weeks, I would slowly come out of it, back to work, work, work. Work included enahnced creativity and drive, but never manic syptoms like overspending, oversexed, over anything. I also could not stand to try and be aorund people I wasn't close too.
We tried ADs for about 6 months alone but they only made me feel overcaffeinated, sick, jittery and have anxiety attacks (which I had NEVER had before!)
Prior to that I was on SJW for a couple years and it seemed to help a little, but then I went through a series of serious events and ended up with insomnia so bad I did not sleep past REM for a whole year. That led to a MAJOR crash, and on to trying ADs.
my doc added in some atypicals and mood stabilizers and so Ihave been on the med roller coaster for 3 years now. I just want off. I want to find what alternatives work for attacking the problem, not the syptoms, and I will even settle for not feeling great. I'd just like to feel better, to be able to relate to people instead of feeling sick over it and to stay out of deep depression.
blah. Right now I don't feel like there is a solution. I keep reading these boards but I don't hear of anyone who is DOING WELL and has been, on their regime for an extended period. Seems like a constant battle to fight and find whats right only to have it all change again. I am too tired for that. Sorry. I've rambled. Thanks for your input.
blessings to you
mary
Posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:09:32
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 9, 2006, at 12:25:15
>I keep reading these boards but I don't hear of anyone who is DOING WELL and has been, on their regime for an extended period. Seems like a constant battle to fight and find whats right only to have it all change again. I am too tired for that. Sorry. I've rambled. Thanks for your input.
> blessings to you
> maryI suspect that people who are doing well don't hang around.
I consider myself something of a success using supplements as my days of meds and seeing psychiatrists are several years behind me. My worst day on alternatives has still been better on any best day I used to have on meds, or without them. Magnesium was the key for me. (And if I'd listened to my psychiatrist, I never would have tried it!) This was the website that started me off: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html I had to not only take magnesium but eliminated calcium from my diet for a time to get the benefit, which seemed miraculous to me at the time. I felt so good for two months, that I thought I was cured. That was not the case in the long run, but magnesium alone decreased my depression by 50-60% which is more than any meds did. And the only side effects were to clear up my dry skin and restore my thyroid function. :)
I haunt this board periodically to try to address the remaining depression, which I do with fish oil, B vitamins, Vit C, selenium, Vit E, chromium to name a few. I know from experience that I just feel better when I take handfuls of stuff rather than any one thing, although I have had some success in the past with tyrosine and SAM-e. I try something new periodically, such as the mucuna pururiens I'm taking now, since it was half price at my local health food store, but I think I've probably gone as far as I can go with supplements. One reason being, as I understand it, is that the body has built in homostasis mechanisms which may preclude long term effects.
I've found besides supplements, that the other things that work best for me are exercise, being conscious of my thoughts as per the cognitive therapy book, "Feeling Good", spiritual efforts re the book, "The Power of Now" and most recently EFT: Emotional Freedom Technique. The manual is free here: http://www.emofree.com/ Dr. Joseph Mercola recommdns EFT on his site too, and describes it: http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse.htm
"EFT is a form of psychological acupressure, based on the same energy meridians used in traditional acupuncture to treat physical and emotional ailments for over five thousand years, but without the invasiveness of needles. Instead, simple tapping with the fingertips is used to input kinetic energy onto specific meridians on the head and chest while you think about your specific problem - whether it is a traumatic event, an addiction, pain, etc. -- and voice positive affirmations.
This combination of tapping the energy meridians and voicing positive affirmation works to clear the "short-circuit" - the emotional block -- from your body's bioenergy system, thus restoring your mind and body's balance, which is essential for optimal health and the healing of physical disease."
It's only been not quite a week, but so far I've had some truly amazing results.
This morning for instance, I woke up anxious and depressed after having a bad dream that I couldn't really remember. Since I've been feeling good, I was really bummed and I thought, "Oh, no, here we go again..." as many many times in the past I would have some positive momentum built up only to be undone by this experience. Well, this morning, I tapped those blues away! I could hardly believe it. I've also addressed deeper issues with good effect and am looking forward to using it as more things come up.
So, today I feel good. In time, I hope to say with conviction that "I'm doing well. I AM well". I hope the same for you. Hang in there. :)
JL
Posted by heaven help me on July 9, 2006, at 15:11:45
In reply to Doing well? » heaven help me, posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 14:09:32
Thank you for taking the time to write. I REALLY appreciate your input and experience. I am going to print off your post and try to work my way through the things you suggest. I also get to see a new pdoc, and a new MD over the next couple weeks. BOTH of them are not adverse to using alternative methods. So, Lord willing, I will also make it to "well". God grant that we all may. Thank you, again.
blessings
mary
Posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 15:59:53
In reply to Re: Doing well? » JLx, posted by heaven help me on July 9, 2006, at 15:11:45
Hi Mary,
Glad I could say something that resonated. :)
Since you mention "negative thoughts" as one of your symptoms, you may really like "Feeling Good". I'd heard about that book for years somewhat vaguely but never read it until someone on one of these boards mentioned it helping her. {Same with "The Power of Now"). "Feeling Good" is also one of the three books voted most helpful on the Psychology board. Just to give you an idea, here are the cognitive distortions it discusses:
ALL OR NOTHING THINKING: You see things in black-and-white categories. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
OVERGENERALIZATION: You see a single negative event as a never-ending pattern of defeat.
MENTAL FILTER: You pick out a single negative detail and dwell on it exclusively so that your vision of all reality becomes darkened, like the drop of ink that colors the entire beaker of water.
DISQUALIFYING THE POSITIVE: You reject positive experiences by insisting they "don't count" for some reason or another. In this way, you can maintain a negative belief that is contradicted by your everyday experiences.
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS: You make a negative interpretation even though there are no definitive facts that convincingly support your conclusions.
*Mind reading -- You arbitrarily conclude that someone is reacting negatively to you, and you don't bother to check this out.
*The Fortune Teller Error -- You anticipate that things will turn out badly and you feel convinced that your prediction is an already established fact.
MAGNIFICATION (CATASTROPHIZING) OR MINIMIZATION: You exaggerate the importance of things (such as your goof-up or someone else's achievement) or you inappropriately shrink things until they appear tiny (your own desirable qualities or the other fellow's imperfections).
EMOTIONAL REASONING: You assume that your negative emotions necessarily reflect the things really are: "I feel it, therefore it must be true."
SHOULD STATEMENTS: You try to motivate yourself with shoulds and shouldn'ts as if you had to be whipped and punished before you could be expected to do anything. "Musts" and "oughts" are also offenders. The emotional consequence is guilt. When you direct should statements towards others, you feel anger, frustration and resentment.
LABELING AND MISLABELING: This is an extreme form of overgeneralization. Instead of describing your error, you attach a negative label to yourself: "I'm a loser." When someone else's behavior rubs you the wrong way, you attach a negative label to him: "He's a louse" Mislabeling involves describing an event with language that is highly colored and emotionally loaded.
PERSONALIZATION: You see yourself as the cause of some negative external event which in fact you were not primarily responsible for.
My eyes bugged out when I read those as they were my habitual mode of thinking! I really have learned to catch myself now and try to turn them around in my head immediately, such as reminding myself that "feelings are not facts" when I'm feeling something like discouragement.
Part of going the alternative route (unless you can find a knowledgeable practitioner) is narrowing down where to start as trial and error is the only way you will know what works for you. I found the brain tests on this site to be helpful: http://amenclinics.com/ac/tests/ Maybe you could show your results to your new docs.
Dr. Amen is a psychiatrist specializing mostly in ADD/ADHD but what he says about the brain relates also to mood disorders. "Supplements to Enhance the Brain: A Summary of Ways to Optimize Brain Function and Break Bad Brain Habits"
http://amenclinics.com/bp/articles.php?articleID=10What can be especially tricky about supplements is that they often work synergistically. Before I started taking magnesium, for instance, I had tried various things and concluded they "didn't work". Tyrosine, which is an amino acid precursor to dopamine, was one. It made me feel rageful and mean. (As did Wellbutrin, also a dopamine booster). This is part of the problem with the trials they try to do with supplements -- they often treat them as drugs expecting them to do something alone that they aren't designed to do alone.
I've also come to accept the limitations of supplements, however. What I hope to achieve with supplements is to give my brain a chance to work right physiologically...the rest is up to me.
JL
> Thank you for taking the time to write. I REALLY appreciate your input and experience. I am going to print off your post and try to work my way through the things you suggest. I also get to see a new pdoc, and a new MD over the next couple weeks. BOTH of them are not adverse to using alternative methods. So, Lord willing, I will also make it to "well". God grant that we all may. Thank you, again.
> blessings
> mary
Posted by helpme on July 10, 2006, at 0:44:32
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 9, 2006, at 12:25:15
Hmmm. Sounds a lot like me. I read that burnout, or chronic prolonged stress can induce depression, and it can shrink parts of the brain- though the scientists are arguing over that last piece. There is a book that gets into this: Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers.
I also read that sjw has only been demonstrated to help mild to moderate depresion, not the major kind. I personally experienced excellent benefit from fish oil, L-phenylalanine, and tyrosone for severe depression.
> For me, it was work, work, work, produce much, be efficient, etc,but NOT happy, just working. Then I would crash into deep depression where I could think of no good reason to live. After days, or weeks, I would slowly come out of it, back to work, work, work. Work included enahnced creativity and drive, but never manic syptoms like overspending, oversexed, over anything. I also could not stand to try and be aorund people I wasn't close too.
>
> We tried ADs for about 6 months alone but they only made me feel overcaffeinated, sick, jittery and have anxiety attacks (which I had NEVER had before!)
>
> Prior to that I was on SJW for a couple years and it seemed to help a little, but then I went through a series of serious events and ended up with insomnia so bad I did not sleep past REM for a whole year. That led to a MAJOR crash, and on to trying ADs.
>
> my doc added in some atypicals and mood stabilizers and so Ihave been on the med roller coaster for 3 years now. I just want off. I want to find what alternatives work for attacking the problem, not the syptoms, and I will even settle for not feeling great. I'd just like to feel better, to be able to relate to people instead of feeling sick over it and to stay out of deep depression.
> blah. Right now I don't feel like there is a solution. I keep reading these boards but I don't hear of anyone who is DOING WELL and has been, on their regime for an extended period. Seems like a constant battle to fight and find whats right only to have it all change again. I am too tired for that. Sorry. I've rambled. Thanks for your input.
> blessings to you
> mary
>
Posted by dessbee on July 10, 2006, at 6:20:30
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by helpme on July 10, 2006, at 0:44:32
I had similar problems with AD.
Please be careful with magnesium supplements. They can actually worsen depressive symptoms.
Since you benifited from SJW but not enough you should try combining it with TMG and fish oil.
Sleep disorders can be alleviated with pycnogenol (20-40 mg)
It seems like your job is causing you stress reactions. Maybee you should consider a career change. Feeling good is important.
Posted by heaven help me on July 10, 2006, at 11:05:43
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by dessbee on July 10, 2006, at 6:20:30
Does taking Magnesium result in worse depression (if it is going to) right away? Or is it AFTER a period of doing well? If so, can't you just take it for a while then quit for a while, etc?
WHat is TMG? And I will do a search on pycnogenol.
As for my job, ha! There is no changing that. I am a stay at home mom for 5 little ones. I have been learning recently the importance of reducing stress and I am trying but it is so difficult it nearly causes stress itself. Sometimes I think this whole thing is because I have been living off the fight or flight stress hormones for years and years and now things are giving out. What I need, I think, is to be able to sleep well (deeply, but not drugged) on a regular basis. Attacking this from the sleep angle is what I think most important right now.
I REALLY appreciate your inputs and relish any more!
blessings
mary
Posted by heaven help me on July 10, 2006, at 11:20:36
In reply to Cognitive distortions » heaven help me, posted by JLx on July 9, 2006, at 15:59:53
Again, Thank you. Those cognitive distortions are ALL ME! I want to "feel good" but right now I feel so tired and overwhelmed that I don't think I have what it takes to read and apply the book. But I will get it and will try. I will also try to do some research on the amenclinics sight. Like I mentioned in my other post, I think I really just need to get some GOOD RESTFUL NON DRUGGED sleep for a season. Then perhaps I will be equipped to sort through the rest of it. I thought the conventional meds would provide enough relief for this but they have created plenty of stress with their own side effects, as well as have NOT helped the sleep. I take Restoril right now which puts me to "sleep" but it is drugged, hard to shake off and not would I would call a deep restful thing.
What would you all say is the best way to attack it from the sleep side? I have heard too much melatonin can cause depression, so I am a bit afraid of that.
thanks to you all
blessings
mary
Posted by JLx on July 10, 2006, at 14:58:45
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by dessbee on July 10, 2006, at 6:20:30
> Please be careful with magnesium supplements. They can actually worsen depressive symptoms.
I would caution against certain FORMS of magnesium, such as magnesium aspartate and magnesium glutamate which are contraindicated for depressives but otherwise think it's far more likely that magnesium will help many people's depression as evidenced in this study about depression and magnesium deficiency.
Significant Magnesium Deficiency in Depression
http://www.healingpeople.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=147
"The finding of significant magnesium deficiency in depressed patients is a of considerable interest, both scientifically and clinically. Magnesium is the natural calcium channel blocker. Clinically, magnesium deficiency has been associated with cardiac arrthymia, hypertension, myocardial infarction, strokes, anxiety, migraine, panic attacks, epilepsy, osteoporosis, immune dysfunction, as well as chronic fatigue, acute musculoskeletal pain and reflex sympathetic dystrophy; all illness with high incidence of concomitant depression. (Refs. 6-14).
Magnesium is significantly affected by blood levels of lithium, calcium, phosphorus, potassium and sodium. Intestinal absorption of magnesium is inhibited by high levels of intestinal calcium, fat, protein pr phosphorus. Urinary excretion of magnesium is increased by most diuretics as well as by stress, epinephrine, nonepinephrine and caffine. All lead to urinary magnesium loss (Refs. 15-18).
Major potential dietary sources of magnesium are hard water; dark green, leafy vegetables; carrots; beets; sesame seeds and legumes. Magnesium deficiency may result in inadequate intake of magnesium; high calcium intake; high intakes of sodium, protein, fat, potassium, wheat, alcohol, sugar, or caffine; diarreha; diyretics; laxative abuse; severe stress (Ref. 11,8). Interestingly, it has been demonstrated that 70% of men and 80% of women do not take in even the daily recommended allowance of magnesium (Ref. 11). And, as would be expected, the nutrition of depressed patients is usually very inadequate.
The neurological and metabolic consequences of magnesium deficiency are widespread. Magnesium is a major regulator of all membrane potentials, as well as neuronal and muscular tone. Thus, magnesium deficiency prevents normal nerve cell stability.
Magnesium also plays a synergistic role with taurine, both of them assisting in stabilization of cellular membrane potential as well as being natural calcium channel blockers (Ref. 19). The clinical use of calcium channel blockers in neurological disorders such as migraine may be obviated with far less "side effects" by administration of magnesium taurate.
Our personal clinical studies have indicated that at least 78% of chronically depressed patients are deficient in taurine (Ref.20). With an even higher incidence of magnesium deficiency, it is easy to understand some of the many symptoms accompanying depression....
It may well be that magnesium taurate alone will be as effective as the average antidepressant which helps no more than 50% of depressed patients (Ref. 21). Magnesium taurate is less expensive and has virtually no risk, as long as renal function is normal."
I have read both "The Miracle of Magnesium" by Carolyn Dean, M.D. and "The Magnesium Factor" by long time magnesium researcher, Mildred Seelig, M.D. and if I weren't already taking magnesium for depression, I would be taking it for my general health otherwise.
JL
Posted by dessbee on July 10, 2006, at 15:14:31
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 10, 2006, at 11:05:43
Pycnogenol (Pine Bark Extract)contains oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPC) just like grape seed extract in "Sleep 'n Restore"
It has an anti-inflammatory, anti-oxidant and antihistamine effect.
It will not cause "sluggishness" when you wake up in the morning but it can make you fatigue if you use it during the day. I only recomend it at night if you suffer from depression. If you suffer from anxiety it may also help during the day. Please do not go for high doses. Try moderate doses first(20-40 mg)TMG (trimethylglycine) is a methyldonor and it is made from sugar beets. Methylation is necessary in the final step of Noradrenalin, Dopamine and Melatonin synthesis. It will also reduce Histamine and Homocystein, both are substances associated with depression.
Some consider TMG a cheap version of SAME (S-adenosyl-L-methionine) since it works in a similar way. My oppinion is that TMG has very few side-effects.Magnesium should be considered as an antagonist to Calcium. Magnesium has an inhibitory effect and Calcium has an excitatory effect on the brain. Magnesium blocks the release of any neurotransmitter, Calcium will increase the release of any neurotransmitter.
You will be more sensetive to Magnesium if you have low blood pressure since magnesium causes vasodilatation.5 little ones! I do not have kids myself but I have seen most of the Nanny shows on TV to understand how stressful it is. One thing I have noticed from the shows is the importance of a helpful husband/father, who takes part in household work and in raising the kids. Maybe those shows can give you strategies for dealing with your family.
Posted by JLx on July 10, 2006, at 15:19:13
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 10, 2006, at 11:05:43
> Does taking Magnesium result in worse depression (if it is going to) right away? Or is it AFTER a period of doing well? If so, can't you just take it for a while then quit for a while, etc?
I would be curious as to what kind of magnesium someone was taking who said magnesium supplementation worsened their depression. I would also be curious as to what else they were taking.
I do think the form is important. I would recommend magnesium taurate first for anyone who is depressed. I get mine from Amazon, Cardiovascular Research brand. It comes in 125 mg capsules which is a nice amount as you can start small and add incrementally. For me, to get the benefit of magnesium I also had to cut out calcium for a time.
Some people do react differently to different substances. My sister finds magnesium stimulating while I find it generally sedating. I didn't used to though when I was deficienct.
One way to tell how you might react to magnesium supplementation may be to take a strong Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) bath, 2-4 cups in your bath, soaking for 20-30 minutes. Anything more might be too relaxing.
If supplements scare you, there's always food. :)
How do you know if you're deficient in magnesium? If you eat an excellent diet, you may not be, provided that food was grown in magnesium rich soil which is not a given. Do you crave chocolate? Are you sensitive to noise and irritable?
Here's a MAGNESIUM DEFICIENCY QUESTIONNAIRE: http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm
> WHat is TMG? And I will do a search on pycnogenol.
Check out threads on this board in the past for good info on TMG.
> As for my job, ha! There is no changing that. I am a stay at home mom for 5 little ones. I have been learning recently the importance of reducing stress and I am trying but it is so difficult it nearly causes stress itself. Sometimes I think this whole thing is because I have been living off the fight or flight stress hormones for years and years and now things are giving out. What I need, I think, is to be able to sleep well (deeply, but not drugged) on a regular basis. Attacking this from the sleep angle is what I think most important right now.
A good summary page on adrenal fatigue:
http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm
JL
Posted by heaven help me on July 11, 2006, at 18:01:04
In reply to Re: my symptoms: » heaven help me, posted by JLx on July 10, 2006, at 15:19:13
As I understand it, an imbalance of the electrolytes can cause, among other things, heart failure. So, as you use magnesium, how do you monitor your electrolytes?
As for all the other info from everyone, I am slowly picking through it. I am soooo, sooo tired though that it seems like a job WAY to big for me. Finding hlep feels too hard for me. That makes me more depressed...
ugh
mary
Posted by JLx on July 13, 2006, at 17:18:49
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 11, 2006, at 18:01:04
> As I understand it, an imbalance of the electrolytes can cause, among other things, heart failure. So, as you use magnesium, how do you monitor your electrolytes?
I don't worry about my electrolytes on magnesium any more than I did when I used to take all that recommended calcium -- when I should have been worried about calcified arteries, calcium kidney stones and excess calcium as an excitotoxin to the brain.
Hypermagnesemia is quite rare, from my research, as the kidneys take care of the excess and you just pass it through urine. And I am taking a VERY SMALL dose compared to the amount that has landed people in emergency rooms (usually something like 25-60 grams). People are *treated* in hospitals in multigram doses, such as 6 grams IV for preeclampsia, whereas I don't even take 1 gram.
Depression for me is related to stress and magnesium is depleted by stress so it makes sense that magnesium makes me feel good.
> As for all the other info from everyone, I am slowly picking through it. I am soooo, sooo tired though that it seems like a job WAY to big for me. Finding hlep feels too hard for me. That makes me more depressed...
> ugh
> maryI suspect the alternative med route discourages many people because it's so learning intensive. I like the aspect of it being empowering though. I hated having to go to a doctor every time I wanted to try something new.
JL
Posted by tealady on July 28, 2006, at 5:44:07
In reply to Re: my symptoms:, posted by heaven help me on July 10, 2006, at 11:05:43
I found B1 made me sleep better and seems to be pulling me out of fatigue and depression.. although I'm taking kelp too..and fiddling with female hormones.BCP's.. so not sure.
I tried writing up B1.. but its a Lot bigger than I thought.. still something ng here if you plough thru thenlinks.
I've a lot more I haven't made public..
thing is magnesium works with B1..
http://tealady-health.blog.co.uk/2006/06/25/b1_and_calcium_magnesium~911386
and I found Mg works for me better now..i also is probably why Mg helps somepeople..not all obviously as Mg does far more...I cant take Epsom salts any more, as the sulfate in them make me sick(sulfates deplete B1..which is probably why i always reacted so badly to them in any form
http://tealady-health.blog.co.uk/?tag=sulfiteI also found since taking B1 by injection I no longer crave chocolate..first time in my life
B1 is needed to process glucose.. see links on diabetes for more info
Not sure if this will help u, but have a read thru this post
http://tealady-health.blog.co.uk/2006/07/24/b1_headings_for_chapters_posts~901770
something different to consider..and if it IS what is low.. is very effective.Hope this helpful..
Jan
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