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Posted by AJULIAGULIA on January 20, 2004, at 20:54:02
Please write to me if you have tried Truehope.com's supplement Empower. Especially if you have been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (type 1). I am interested in hearing about all results both positive and negative.
I've put a lot of thought and research into the Empower supplement listed on Truehope.com. I am just about ready to give the supplement a try but want to do a little bit more research and hear from people who have tried it.
I have contacted True Hope and got them to give me the phone numbers of people (with Bipolar Disorder - like me) who have used it. I have talked with these people and was impressed with their results. Having said that, one of the people I spoke with was the True Hope founder's wife so I would imagine that she and the others I spoke with might be biased.
I have also read articles on healthwatcher.net, www.pigpills.com, www.mcmanweb.com and other web sites discussing the pros and cons of the supplement and whatever "research" has actually been conducted on the Empower supplement. I also saw a book on Amazon.com called "Too Good to be True? Nutrients Quiet the Unquiet Brain: A Four Generation Bipolar Odyssey" by David Moyer. It's about one therapists positive experience in treating his bipolar son with Empower. But again, he was a friend of True Hope's founder.
I have read a lot about the research or lack thereof but have not found much in the way of message threads from people who have actually used the supplement (especially for bipolar disorder). ..and aren't best friends with True Hope's founder.
I am mostly interested in hearing from people who have used Empower specifically for bipolar disorder but would be grateful to hear about their results from anyone who has actually tried it. Thanks.
Optimistic but somewhat concerned,
Julia
Posted by Maxime on January 21, 2004, at 12:26:52
In reply to Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on January 20, 2004, at 20:54:02
I am sure they would only give you phone numbers of people who had success with it.
I believe there was a discussion of EMPOWER on Psycho-Babble and there might have been one on Alternative. You might have to do a search if no one responds.
I used to be on an MSN group and one person had great success on it. Here is the URL to the group. Maybe you could join and read the NATURAL THERAPY section because that is where she discussed it.
http://groups.msn.com/BipolarMixedEpisodeRapidCyclingSupportI wish I could be of more help.
MAxime
> Please write to me if you have tried Truehope.com's supplement Empower. Especially if you have been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (type 1). I am interested in hearing about all results both positive and negative.
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> I've put a lot of thought and research into the Empower supplement listed on Truehope.com. I am just about ready to give the supplement a try but want to do a little bit more research and hear from people who have tried it.
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> I have contacted True Hope and got them to give me the phone numbers of people (with Bipolar Disorder - like me) who have used it. I have talked with these people and was impressed with their results. Having said that, one of the people I spoke with was the True Hope founder's wife so I would imagine that she and the others I spoke with might be biased.
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> I have also read articles on healthwatcher.net, www.pigpills.com, www.mcmanweb.com and other web sites discussing the pros and cons of the supplement and whatever "research" has actually been conducted on the Empower supplement. I also saw a book on Amazon.com called "Too Good to be True? Nutrients Quiet the Unquiet Brain: A Four Generation Bipolar Odyssey" by David Moyer. It's about one therapists positive experience in treating his bipolar son with Empower. But again, he was a friend of True Hope's founder.
>
> I have read a lot about the research or lack thereof but have not found much in the way of message threads from people who have actually used the supplement (especially for bipolar disorder). ..and aren't best friends with True Hope's founder.
>
> I am mostly interested in hearing from people who have used Empower specifically for bipolar disorder but would be grateful to hear about their results from anyone who has actually tried it. Thanks.
>
> Optimistic but somewhat concerned,
> Julia
>
Posted by clairey on January 30, 2004, at 14:57:48
In reply to Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on January 20, 2004, at 20:54:02
try lithium orotate! its not the drug lithium its the mineral like magnesium orotate or calcium.
I have herd some brilliant things about it for bipolar i suggest u try it!good luck :)
Posted by AJULIAGULIA on February 2, 2004, at 16:35:33
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried? » AJULIAGULIA, posted by clairey on January 30, 2004, at 14:57:48
Thanks for the idea Clairey. I am aware of a web site called http://www.findserenitynow.com/ that sells a natural form of Lithium. I'm not sure if that's the same stuff you're talking about but I'm willing to give it a try along with the Empower supplement.
But I'm still curious to learn more about the empower supplement.
- Julia
Posted by clairey on February 3, 2004, at 4:36:07
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on February 2, 2004, at 16:35:33
> Thanks for the idea Clairey. I am aware of a web site called http://www.findserenitynow.com/ that sells a natural form of Lithium. I'm not sure if that's the same stuff you're talking about but I'm willing to give it a try along with the Empower supplement.
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> But I'm still curious to learn more about the empower supplement.
>
> - Julia
Thats it, you can buy it anywhere. Trust me i have read fantastic things about that for bipolar!! have only seen 1 person say it doesnt help. It seems like a miracle for you folks so i think you should try it for sure.
Good luck :)
Posted by john1022 on February 8, 2004, at 15:18:06
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on February 2, 2004, at 16:35:33
I would try lithium orotate before empower plus. I see a really good pysch who practices both normal medicine and alternative medicine. She says they have had some pretty amazing results with treating bipolar using lithium orotate
Posted by AJULIAGULIA on February 9, 2004, at 23:37:16
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by john1022 on February 8, 2004, at 15:18:06
Thank you for your feedback John. I once used regular Lithium (when I was first diagnosed) and it didn't work all that well for me and also made me very sick once. I imagine that the natural lithium will be different. I just received an e-mail from a lady on the east coast who has had enormous success with EMPower for her bipolar disorder so I feel that this is very promising. With that being said, I'm thinking that I might try a combination of the two.
I wonder if anyone out here has had a bad experience with EMPower?
> I would try lithium orotate before empower plus. I see a really good pysch who practices both normal medicine and alternative medicine. She says they have had some pretty amazing results with treating bipolar using lithium orotate
Posted by KarenRB53 on June 17, 2006, at 22:54:24
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on February 9, 2004, at 23:37:16
> I was just wondering if you had tried the EMPower by Truehope and if it has worked for you.
Thanks, Karen
Thank you for your feedback John. I once used regular Lithium (when I was first diagnosed) and it didn't work all that well for me and also made me very sick once. I imagine that the natural lithium will be different. I just received an e-mail from a lady on the east coast who has had enormous success with EMPower for her bipolar disorder so I feel that this is very promising. With that being said, I'm thinking that I might try a combination of the two.
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> I wonder if anyone out here has had a bad experience with EMPower?
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> > I would try lithium orotate before empower plus. I see a really good pysch who practices both normal medicine and alternative medicine. She says they have had some pretty amazing results with treating bipolar using lithium orotate
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Posted by Larry Hoover on June 19, 2006, at 8:21:07
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by KarenRB53 on June 17, 2006, at 22:54:24
> Thank you for your feedback John. I once used regular Lithium (when I was first diagnosed) and it didn't work all that well for me and also made me very sick once. I imagine that the natural lithium will be different.
Stop right there, please. There is no such thing as natural lithium. It's all the same. There is nothing more or less natural about any lithium substance you might consume.
It's hard to tell from what you say here, if this "natural" lithium you're considering is lithium orotate? Nearly fifty years ago, when lithium was first "discovered" for the treatment of manic depression, a number of different lithium compounds were tested.
I have no idea just what they really did, because the scientific method was not nearly so well developed, back then. There were no clinical trials done, back then. We didn't yet know how to do them.
Anyway, of all the lithium salts tested, back then, only lithium carbonate and lithium chloride made it through into clinical applications. Lithium orotate was tested, and not selected. I don't know why, because they didn't write down that information. At least, I've never yet found it. It's probably in some dusty library archive, somewhere. Some obscure book or journal article, just lying gathering dust.
The only thing that sets lithium orotate apart from other lithium compounds is the combination of the lithium ion with the orotic acid. There are some highly exaggerated claims being made about the effects of orotic acid. Highly exaggerated claims, without any scientific foundation. The dose of lithium supplied in these OTC lithium salts is truly trivial. That's the only reason they're getting away with it. The dose is below the federal radar.
> I just received an e-mail from a lady on the east coast who has had enormous success with EMPower for her bipolar disorder so I feel that this is very promising. With that being said, I'm thinking that I might try a combination of the two.
The Canadian version of the FDA has shut down Truehope in Canada. They are making claims that cannot be scientifically substantiated. Any person can claim success with any treatment modality. No matter what that modality is, though, you can't generalize to yourself. You're different.
Far better, I think, would be for you to learn about nutrition, and about how to customize your nutrient intake to best manage your symptoms. Truehope has a set formula. It's their idea of what a proper dose of all those nutrients is supposed to be. What's the likelihood that they got it perfectly, for you?
That said, I always advocate increased nutrient intake for anyone with mental illness. Truehope sells what really is nothing more than multi-vitamin capsules. Sure, it can make you feel better. But it will excessively lighten your wallet, because it is over-priced for what you get.
Lar
Posted by ajuliagulia on June 24, 2006, at 19:58:03
In reply to Re: Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by KarenRB53 on June 17, 2006, at 22:54:24
Hi Karen:
Coincidentally, I left a post on June 15th regarding my most recent experiences. To view it, try cutting and pasting (or clicking on) the following link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/alter/20060601/msgs/657346.html
In a nutshell, it has worked fine for me for over two years. I've had a baby on it and am currently pregnant with my next baby. So far, so good! :o)
- Julia
> > I was just wondering if you had tried the EMPower by Truehope and if it has worked for you.
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> Thanks, Karen
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> Thank you for your feedback John. I once used regular Lithium (when I was first diagnosed) and it didn't work all that well for me and also made me very sick once. I imagine that the natural lithium will be different. I just received an e-mail from a lady on the east coast who has had enormous success with EMPower for her bipolar disorder so I feel that this is very promising. With that being said, I'm thinking that I might try a combination of the two.
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> > I wonder if anyone out here has had a bad experience with EMPower?
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> > > I would try lithium orotate before empower plus. I see a really good pysch who practices both normal medicine and alternative medicine. She says they have had some pretty amazing results with treating bipolar using lithium orotate
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Posted by libberty on June 27, 2006, at 22:04:13
In reply to Truehope.com's Empower Experience - Who's tried?, posted by AJULIAGULIA on January 20, 2004, at 20:54:02
I have been on empower plus for 2 yrs, I was diagnosed with bp 1 with psychotic features over 10 yrs ago. I am med free now since may of 2004
I cannot say it was easy getting off meds but am too much better now to ever go back to any type of psych med.
it has worked for me
thanks
libb
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