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Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 14, 2003, at 1:11:51
Why the heck didn't anyone tell me about this stuff before?
I searched for "selenium" and "anxiety" in a search engine and started reading various articals that popped up.
They did a study with 100 people with anxiety. This test may not be 100% valid, since half were given selenium, and the other half given a sugar pill, and sugar has an anxiety affect on people. So when those who didn't get the selenium had anxiety, it may have been because of the sugar.
Anyway, many studies which weren't done by idiots, have concluded that selenium helps autism, anxiety, etc.
Did you know the symptons of mercury poisoning and autism are the same? Did you know that people autism, anxiety, or other problems have a shortage of selenium in their bodies?
If you have mercury in your body, the selenium bonds with it first, keeping it from causing any harm. But, then you might not have enough selenium for your brain to function normally, causing all sorts of problems.
Is it the mercury that damages people, or the lack of selenium it causes?
Anyway, if anyone with anxiety has taken selenium, tell me how it worked for you, and what brands you used.
http://www.whale.to/a/table_a.htm
Summary Comparison of Characteristics of Autism & Mercury PoisoningI'm not autistic, but I believe this proves mercury has an effect on our minds.
They claim the mercury seeping from your fillings each day isn't enough to harm you. But electromagnetic fields do cause it to leak out more. Computer monitors, televisions, etc. all have an electromagnetic field. Those of you with mercury fillings that live near high voltage power lines, are certainly having problems.
Anyway, selenium helps autism, anxiety, depression, brain fog, and those who simply can not get excited about anything some days.
The amount of selenium in soil varies in differant areas. In many places these days they don't rotate their crops. They just grow the same thing, using chemical fertilizers, and this depletes the soil of any nutrients. Not even worms can live in this soil. So, obviously, people used to get selenium from what they ate, but that is no longer the case these days. So don't just think you can get it by eating certain foods, since that may no longer work.
I'm rambling a bit. Oh, don't take too much selenium at once they say. I saw some at Sam's Wholesale Club before, so I'll pick up some there next time I go.
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 14, 2003, at 8:27:37
In reply to Selenium cures anxiety and other problems!, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 14, 2003, at 1:11:51
> Why the heck didn't anyone tell me about this stuff before?
>
> I searched for "selenium" and "anxiety" in a search engine and started reading various articals that popped up.
>
> They did a study with 100 people with anxiety. This test may not be 100% valid, since half were given selenium, and the other half given a sugar pill, and sugar has an anxiety affect on people. So when those who didn't get the selenium had anxiety, it may have been because of the sugar.
>
> Anyway, many studies which weren't done by idiots, have concluded that selenium helps autism, anxiety, etc.
>
> Did you know the symptons of mercury poisoning and autism are the same? Did you know that people autism, anxiety, or other problems have a shortage of selenium in their bodies?
>
> If you have mercury in your body, the selenium bonds with it first, keeping it from causing any harm. But, then you might not have enough selenium for your brain to function normally, causing all sorts of problems.
>
> Is it the mercury that damages people, or the lack of selenium it causes?It's impossible to separate the two processes, and say what causes what, exactly. One of the toxic effects of mercury exposure is selenium binding, and all that follows from that can be attributed to mercury exposure, even though the details pertain to loss of selenium functionality.
> Anyway, if anyone with anxiety has taken selenium, tell me how it worked for you, and what brands you used.
>
> http://www.whale.to/a/table_a.htm
> Summary Comparison of Characteristics of Autism & Mercury Poisoning
>
> I'm not autistic, but I believe this proves mercury has an effect on our minds.That's without question. Mercury is neurotoxic.
> They claim the mercury seeping from your fillings each day isn't enough to harm you.Who claims? Dentists? Maybe they don't want to get sued? Think tobacco, and how long it took to get the tobacco companies to take responsibility. The US federal government accepts that dental amalgam is a significant route of exposure to mercury, as does e.g. the state of Californina, which requires notices to be posted in dentists' offices.
I've got tons of evidence of mercury exposure from dental amalgam, if you're interested.
> But electromagnetic fields do cause it to leak out more.
It's already leaking, so the issue of "more" or not, from electromagnetic radiation, is moot. Hot coffee increases the rate. Chewing gum increases the rate. Drinking soda increases the rate. Brushing your teeth increases the rate. Mouth-breathing increases the rate. Bruxism (tooth-grinding at night) increases the rate. Et cetera.
> Computer monitors, televisions, etc. all have an electromagnetic field. Those of you with mercury fillings that live near high voltage power lines, are certainly having problems.
We're surrounded/saturated with electromagnetic fields. You can't avoid them.
> Anyway, selenium helps autism, anxiety, depression, brain fog, and those who simply can not get excited about anything some days.
>
> The amount of selenium in soil varies in differant areas. In many places these days they don't rotate their crops. They just grow the same thing, using chemical fertilizers, and this depletes the soil of any nutrients. Not even worms can live in this soil. So, obviously, people used to get selenium from what they ate, but that is no longer the case these days. So don't just think you can get it by eating certain foods, since that may no longer work.It's a little more complicated than that. For example, there are large regions of Europe that have virtually no selenium in the soil. Before the European Union was created, large amounts of high-selenium grain from North America were imported into Europe, and were the most significant source of selenium in European diets. Now, however, grain imports from North America have substantially declined, in preference to the selenium-deficient grain from protected EU sources. Selenium-deficiency is a regional problem, but it's not because of poor crop rotation.
> I'm rambling a bit. Oh, don't take too much selenium at once they say.No more than 600 micrograms per day, unless you're under medical supervision. Higher doses are used in treatments for proven mercury exposure, for example, but blood tests are used to monitor selenium function. 200 micrograms per day is a reasonable amount, if you have mercury amalgam dental work.
> I saw some at Sam's Wholesale Club before, so I'll pick up some there next time I go.
Good.
Lar
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 23, 2003, at 10:29:20
In reply to Re: Selenium cures anxiety and other problems! » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Larry Hoover on October 14, 2003, at 8:27:37
http://www.psychiatrywithoutdrugs.co.uk/ndf.htm
Nanonized chlorella is apparently the best way to remove mercury and other metals from your system, and even clears out the brain.
I searched around a bit on the net, and it sounds good. Anyone try it yet?
The link I provided mentions the problems regular metal removing drugs have, and why this thing is better.
I got selenium on Tuesday at Sam's Wholesale Club, 200 mcg. I'm not sure how that compares with this other stuff. I might try it to.
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:29:10
In reply to nanonized chlorella.. best remover of mercury, etc, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 23, 2003, at 10:29:20
> http://www.psychiatrywithoutdrugs.co.uk/ndf.htm
>
> Nanonized chlorella is apparently the best way to remove mercury and other metals from your system, and even clears out the brain.Chlorella is better known as pond scum, that green mat of crud that forms in stagnant polluted (by fertilizer) water.
> I searched around a bit on the net, and it sounds good. Anyone try it yet?
>
> The link I provided mentions the problems regular metal removing drugs have, and why this thing is better.According to them. They sell the stuff.
> I got selenium on Tuesday at Sam's Wholesale Club, 200 mcg. I'm not sure how that compares with this other stuff. I might try it to.Even the word nanonized is bogus. Take what you wish, but the mercury-selenium covalent compound that forms when selenium finds mercury in your body has a solubility product constant of about 10 exp. -70. If you think there's anything better than that for sequestering mercury, be my guest.
Lar
Posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 25, 2003, at 11:28:52
In reply to Re: nanonized chlorella.. best remover of mercury, etc » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:29:10
They aren't actually selling it. That, and the other things they mention, have a list of where to get them at the bottom of the articals, usually quite a few.
The artical about bacopa checked out at the national institute of health's webpage.
---http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156d.shtml#chl
Chlorella is about the size of a human erythrocyte (red blood cell) or about 2-8 microns in diameter.How many microns is selenium?
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This is interesting.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecoveredKids/message/6139
During detoxification infections will be visible, because after dropping the mercury the bacteria can once more grow in the body. Heavy metal load induces weakened immune resistance, and so viruses, bacteria and fungi are not really rejected and are chronically at half sleep. But because of the antibiotic property of mercury can not really grow. If the mercury is now excreted, then these bacteria and viruses get the chance to grow. Result: there is no heavy metal excretion without infection, including muscle pain and headache.It also makes the scary comment of:
Most people have selenium deficiency and need selenium. Too much selenium binds mercury in the brain.I don't see any mention of that elsewhere. Is that nonsense, or should I be concerned?
---How quickly does mercury clear out of the body with 200mcg a day?
Does drinking plenty of distilled water and orange juice help? I don't remember what was said before - and I now blame the mercury for that ;)
Posted by joebob on October 26, 2003, at 20:58:08
In reply to Re: nanonized chlorella.. best remover of mercury, etc » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Larry Hoover on October 24, 2003, at 8:29:10
and lots of people who have taken it..........
i am not impressed
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:36:11
In reply to Re: nanonized chlorella.. best remover of mercury, etc, posted by Wolf Dreamer on October 25, 2003, at 11:28:52
> They aren't actually selling it. That, and the other things they mention, have a list of where to get them at the bottom of the articals, usually quite a few.
It's a common ruse to put up one website with the propoganda, and link you to another one where the same people make the money.
> The artical about bacopa checked out at the national institute of health's webpage.
> ---
>
> http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-156d.shtml#chl
> Chlorella is about the size of a human erythrocyte (red blood cell) or about 2-8 microns in diameter.
>
> How many microns is selenium?Selenium is many billions of times smaller than a micron. There is no valid comparison. They're trying to baffle your brains with bulls***.
> This is interesting.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RecoveredKids/message/6139
> During detoxification infections will be visible, because after dropping the mercury the bacteria can once more grow in the body. Heavy metal load induces weakened immune resistance, and so viruses, bacteria and fungi are not really rejected and are chronically at half sleep. But because of the antibiotic property of mercury can not really grow. If the mercury is now excreted, then these bacteria and viruses get the chance to grow. Result: there is no heavy metal excretion without infection, including muscle pain and headache.More bollocks.
> It also makes the scary comment of:
> Most people have selenium deficiency and need selenium. Too much selenium binds mercury in the brain.That's the whole point, to bind the mercury so it can no longer react. Just this week, I read an article that investigated the health of a particular Inuit community in Canada. The population has adopted many of Western society's worst behaviours, including smoking, alcohol abuse, junk food, sedentary behaviour, and so on. At the same time, this population was exposed to a huge toxin burden, because they are at the top of the Arctic food chain. Similar populations had huge problems with coronary heart disease, and mercury toxicity from natural foods. They wanted to find out how bad this particular population was doing. Surprise! Surprise! No evidence of coronary heart disease. Low blood cholesterol. Low triglycerides. Better than the average for all Canadians, in fact. They said to themselves "We've got to figure out why!" And, they did. The answer was muktuk, beluga whale skin, a local delicacy. It contains huge amounts of selenium. When people from this group were hospitalized, they quickly developed all the signs of mercury toxicity. The reason is that the half-life of mercury in the blood is three months, whereas the half-life of selenium is one day. By day three, the mercury began to do its dirty work. The treatment? They had some muktuk shipped to the hospital, and the mercury poisoning immediately reversed itself.
> I don't see any mention of that elsewhere. Is that nonsense, or should I be concerned?The nonsense is believing that binding selenium and mercury together is bad for you.
> How quickly does mercury clear out of the body with 200mcg a day?It doesn't clear from the body. It stays, but in a totally inactivated form. It's like it gets sealed up. Like encasing it in concrete. Selenium is like an antidote.
> Does drinking plenty of distilled water and orange juice help?No.
> I don't remember what was said before - and I now blame the mercury for that ;)
More likely lead.
Lar
Posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 11:26:39
In reply to Re: remover of mercury, etc » Wolf Dreamer, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 7:36:11
>Just this week, I read an article that investigated the health of a particular Inuit community in Canada. The population has adopted many of Western society's worst behaviours, including smoking, alcohol abuse, junk food, sedentary behaviour, and so on. At the same time, this population was exposed to a huge toxin burden, because they are at the top of the Arctic food chain. Similar populations had huge problems with coronary heart disease, and mercury toxicity from natural foods. They wanted to find out how bad this particular population was doing. Surprise! Surprise! No evidence of coronary heart disease. Low blood cholesterol. Low triglycerides. Better than the average for all Canadians, in fact. They said to themselves "We've got to figure out why!" And, they did. The answer was muktuk, beluga whale skin, a local delicacy. It contains huge amounts of selenium. When people from this group were hospitalized, they quickly developed all the signs of mercury toxicity. The reason is that the half-life of mercury in the blood is three months, whereas the half-life of selenium is one day. By day three, the mercury began to do its dirty work. The treatment? They had some muktuk shipped to the hospital, and the mercury poisoning immediately reversed itself.
Fascinating and heartening to see such a dramatic and clear example. Is there any reason why the supplementation form of selenium wouldn't be as effective? I have amalgam fillings and worse yet as I understand it, also a gold crown. I've just started taking 200 mg/day of selenium.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 11:54:47
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » Larry Hoover, posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 11:26:39
> >Just this week, I read an article that investigated the health of a particular Inuit community in Canada. The population has adopted many of Western society's worst behaviours, including smoking, alcohol abuse, junk food, sedentary behaviour, and so on. At the same time, this population was exposed to a huge toxin burden, because they are at the top of the Arctic food chain. Similar populations had huge problems with coronary heart disease, and mercury toxicity from natural foods. They wanted to find out how bad this particular population was doing. Surprise! Surprise! No evidence of coronary heart disease. Low blood cholesterol. Low triglycerides. Better than the average for all Canadians, in fact. They said to themselves "We've got to figure out why!" And, they did. The answer was muktuk, beluga whale skin, a local delicacy. It contains huge amounts of selenium. When people from this group were hospitalized, they quickly developed all the signs of mercury toxicity. The reason is that the half-life of mercury in the blood is three months, whereas the half-life of selenium is one day. By day three, the mercury began to do its dirty work. The treatment? They had some muktuk shipped to the hospital, and the mercury poisoning immediately reversed itself.
>
> Fascinating and heartening to see such a dramatic and clear example. Is there any reason why the supplementation form of selenium wouldn't be as effective?No, I think supplements would work just as well. When I was reading the article, they kept talking about a special substance in the muktuk, and I was thinking something biochemically unique to belugas, or perhaps just the omega3 content. It was in the third last paragraph of the lengthy piece where they revealed the identity of the "special substance".
> I have amalgam fillings and worse yet as I understand it, also a gold crown. I've just started taking 200 mg/day of selenium.
Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?
Environ Res. 2001 Dec;87(3):141-6.
Dental amalgam and selenium in blood.
Hol PJ, Vamnes JS, Gjerdet NR, Eide R, Isrenn R.
Department of Odontology-Dental Biomaterials, University of Bergen, Aarstadveien 17, Bergen, N-5009, Norway.
It has been suggested that selenium (Se) exhibits protective effects against mercury (Hg) toxicity in humans due to formation of a Hg-Se complex bound to selenoprotein P in blood. The aim of the present study was to investigate Se concentrations in persons who had been examined with respect to general health problems associated with dental amalgam fillings. The Se concentrations were determined in whole-blood samples of 80 individuals by hydride generation atomic absorption spectrometry. The subjects comprised two main groups: 21 healthy controls with amalgam fillings and 20 patients who claimed symptoms from existing amalgam fillings. The median concentration of Se in blood (119.2 microg/L) was statistically significantly lower in subjects who claimed symptoms of mercury amalgam illness than in healthy subjects with amalgam (130.3 microg/L). The difference was more evident in individuals with more than 35 amalgam surfaces (P=0.003). Additional control groups without amalgam fillings comprised 19 healthy controls without amalgam experience and 20 subjects who have had amalgam fillings removed due to suspected symptoms associated with amalgam. The Se concentrations in these groups were not different from those with amalgam. It is indicated that persons with ill health self-related to dental amalgam might have a Se metabolism different from that of healthy people.
Posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 12:26:34
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 11:54:47
> Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?I've been reading here and there on amalgam recently and saw references to two types of metal in the mouth being a bad idea. This page http://www.testfoundation.org/Gold-Amalgam.htm was one, on this site: http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgampage.htm
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 12:33:49
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » Larry Hoover, posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 12:26:34
>
> > Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?
>
> I've been reading here and there on amalgam recently and saw references to two types of metal in the mouth being a bad idea. This page http://www.testfoundation.org/Gold-Amalgam.htm was one, on this site: http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgampage.htmThere has to be contact between the two for there to be any substantial galvanic effect. If your gold crown comes in contact with an amalgam filling, you need to get one or the other removed. However, gold crowns tend to be used on incisors, whereas amalgam tends to be used on molars and tricuspids.
Lar
Posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 14:01:14
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 12:33:49
> >
> > > Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?
> >
> > I've been reading here and there on amalgam recently and saw references to two types of metal in the mouth being a bad idea. This page http://www.testfoundation.org/Gold-Amalgam.htm was one, on this site: http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgampage.htm
>
> There has to be contact between the two for there to be any substantial galvanic effect. If your gold crown comes in contact with an amalgam filling, you need to get one or the other removed. However, gold crowns tend to be used on incisors, whereas amalgam tends to be used on molars and tricuspids.
>
> Lar
>Well, mine is on a molar...and the tooth above it has an amalgam filling. :( (And I can't afford dental care at this time.)
Do you think I should take more than 200 mg selenium?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 15:53:32
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » Larry Hoover, posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 14:01:14
> > >
> > > > Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?
> > >
> > > I've been reading here and there on amalgam recently and saw references to two types of metal in the mouth being a bad idea. This page http://www.testfoundation.org/Gold-Amalgam.htm was one, on this site: http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgampage.htm
> >
> > There has to be contact between the two for there to be any substantial galvanic effect. If your gold crown comes in contact with an amalgam filling, you need to get one or the other removed. However, gold crowns tend to be used on incisors, whereas amalgam tends to be used on molars and tricuspids.
> >
> > Lar
> >
>
> Well, mine is on a molar...and the tooth above it has an amalgam filling. :( (And I can't afford dental care at this time.)
>
> Do you think I should take more than 200 mg selenium?The Upper Limit for selenium is more than 500 *micro*grams a day, so you could safely increase the dose (I'm sure you meant 200 mcg, not mg). If your situation is as you say, then there is indeed a threat to health. If you can't afford a dentist, I'd advise you to get a cheap hockey mouth guard, and use it while asleep. At least you'll reduce the amount of contact between the two surfaces.
The dentist who put you in that situation may remedy it for you, if you threaten a lawsuit?
Lar
Posted by joebob on November 3, 2003, at 2:15:49
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 15:53:32
oftentimes the tooth that is crowned is 'built up' with amalgam...........
i had a measurable electrical current from just such a situation..........two metals in an alkalline solution,ie saliva........an alkaline battery.....
i had the crowns removed and built up with composite
best,joebob
Posted by JLx on November 3, 2003, at 12:32:26
In reply to Re: Mercury/Inuit/Selenium » JLx, posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2003, at 15:53:32
Yes, I meant micrograms. :) I think I will start taking more.
I've had this crown for at least 15 years, and don't even remember who did it. I think it was when I lived in another state.
> > > >
> > > > > Good idea. It just seems prudent to take selenium if you've got amalgam in your mouth. Why are you concerned about the gold crown?
> > > >
> > > > I've been reading here and there on amalgam recently and saw references to two types of metal in the mouth being a bad idea. This page http://www.testfoundation.org/Gold-Amalgam.htm was one, on this site: http://www.testfoundation.org/amalgampage.htm
> > >
> > > There has to be contact between the two for there to be any substantial galvanic effect. If your gold crown comes in contact with an amalgam filling, you need to get one or the other removed. However, gold crowns tend to be used on incisors, whereas amalgam tends to be used on molars and tricuspids.
> > >
> > > Lar
> > >
> >
> > Well, mine is on a molar...and the tooth above it has an amalgam filling. :( (And I can't afford dental care at this time.)
> >
> > Do you think I should take more than 200 mg selenium?
>
> The Upper Limit for selenium is more than 500 *micro*grams a day, so you could safely increase the dose (I'm sure you meant 200 mcg, not mg). If your situation is as you say, then there is indeed a threat to health. If you can't afford a dentist, I'd advise you to get a cheap hockey mouth guard, and use it while asleep. At least you'll reduce the amount of contact between the two surfaces.
>
> The dentist who put you in that situation may remedy it for you, if you threaten a lawsuit?
>
> Lar
Posted by JLx on November 3, 2003, at 12:34:28
In reply to gold crowns and amalgam, posted by joebob on November 3, 2003, at 2:15:49
Hmm...could be that there's amalgam underthere. It used to come off sometimes and I would just jam it back on....but now it's been so long since that happened, I don't remember what it looked like.
What did that feel like, having a "battery" in your mouth?!
> oftentimes the tooth that is crowned is 'built up' with amalgam...........
>
> i had a measurable electrical current from just such a situation..........two metals in an alkalline solution,ie saliva........an alkaline battery.....
>
> i had the crowns removed and built up with composite
>
>
> best,
>
> joebob
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