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Posted by Franz on October 25, 2003, at 22:55:52
In reply to Re: Piracetam and DMAE » Franz, posted by DSCH on October 24, 2003, at 21:38:11
> "grey market"? They don't mention who, what, or where they are.
yes they do
Posted by DSCH on October 25, 2003, at 23:11:38
In reply to Re: Piracetam and DMAE » DSCH, posted by Franz on October 25, 2003, at 22:55:52
> > "grey market"? They don't mention who, what, or where they are.
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> yes they do
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>See a later posting I made; I found their address by straining my eye... they do mention all of these in a way, but not with enough detail to satisfy me. Plus their site design is distracting.
You seem to take a curt, critical interest in what I post to the Alternative board Franz. Frankly you come off to me as being rather less than polite most of the time. I hope this is unintentional.
Posted by Franz on October 25, 2003, at 23:33:22
In reply to Franz, posted by DSCH on October 25, 2003, at 23:11:38
> > > "grey market"? They don't mention who, what, or where they are.
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> > yes they do
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> See a later posting I made; I found their address by straining my eye... they do mention all of these in a way, but not with enough detail to satisfy me. Plus their site design is distracting.
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> You seem to take a curt, critical interest in what I post to the Alternative board Franz. Frankly you come off to me as being rather less than polite most of the time. I hope this is unintentional.you seem not to understand some people pay high for time online
Posted by Franz on October 25, 2003, at 23:58:31
In reply to Franz, posted by DSCH on October 25, 2003, at 23:11:38
> > > "grey market"? They don't mention who, what, or where they are.
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> > yes they do
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> See a later posting I made; I found their address by straining my eye... they do mention all of these in a way, but not with enough detail to satisfy me. Plus their site design is distracting.
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> You seem to take a curt, critical interest in what I post to the Alternative board Franz. Frankly you come off to me as being rather less than polite most of the time. I hope this is unintentional.I am taking time offline to write this to put things clear to you, but please first tell me what is critical in these words I used: yes they do
There was a question about piracetam source in US and I replied.
Was I supposed to give full information?. Am I supposed to spend time and money online seaching what anyone can do given a web address?. Am I supposed to have young eyes, a new monitor and like a horrid flash web design?. Am I supposed to have the flash plugin?.
I am not sure if it was you some time ago that asked for some info and I replied you could find yourself or something like that. Did that offend you?.I do not have any problem with you and if you think I scan this board just to look what you are typing you could not be more wrong.
Yes, I dislike when people expect others to do their homework, but that is not a personal issue with you.
Also, have in mind that this board is reached from any place in the world so the way people express here may be quite different from your usual environment.
Best
Posted by DSCH on October 26, 2003, at 1:23:26
In reply to Re: Franz » DSCH, posted by Franz on October 25, 2003, at 23:58:31
It is within your right to critize what I post however you see fit as long as it is not done in an uncivil manner. I am not claiming that you have or have yet come close to crossing that line in the sense that Dr. Bob defines it, although I will admit to feeling somewhat put off by it the second time around. I would not be here in the first place if I did not have my own crosses to bear, so to speak. Self-critism and the critism directed at me by others on a daily basis counts significantly towards my load.
Please note though that, in turn, I have the right to NOT respond to your posts in the future if I feel they do not carry validity in view of my own purposes and standards. I also have the right to desist from using the forum in general. I can and have walked away from things in the past when I made the determination that the time and effort expended was bringing insufficient personal gain.Thank you for the time spent in formulating a clarification.
Posted by john1022 on October 26, 2003, at 7:27:05
In reply to 5-HTP/L-tryptophan + SSRI » McPac, posted by DSCH on October 25, 2003, at 21:27:20
Hi McPac,
I take 300 mgs of 5HTP a day divided throughout the day and the last dose before bed. It is very calming and usually helps me get some good sleep (possibly thanks to the niacin, magnesium, valerian root and B6 added in the Vitamin World version)
I currently do not take any other meds as AD's give me paradoxial reactions and make things 100x's worse than before I start them. I have no idea why.
I can say 5HTP cures about 90% of my depression and anxiety, the other 10% is my sleep which I am still having a problem with, but I think the 5HTP helps.
5HTP is worth a shot. I would encourage everyone to try it really as it is the one thing (along with trytophan) that directly boosts serotonin naturally, which seems to be a major cause is a lot of people's depression.
I have done a lot of researching the safety aspect of 5htp because I was worried. I came to the conclusion personally that it is absolutely nothing to worry about.
Posted by john1022 on October 26, 2003, at 8:55:10
In reply to Re: Piracetam is now available, posted by McPac on October 25, 2003, at 19:38:31
They say you are not supposed to take 5HTP together with an SSRI because of the risk of serotonin syndrome.
A lot of people recommend the combination of 5HTP and St John's Wort (which is apparently has some SSRI action)
Check out a search on 5HTP and the one of the first things to come up should be a site with Dr. Michael Murray. He talks about how SJW can be added together with 5HTP safely to relieve more moderate to severe depression. Good luck and let us know if it works for you at all if you decide to start taking it!
Posted by Francesco on October 26, 2003, at 17:41:00
In reply to ADD alternative strategies, posted by DSCH on October 23, 2003, at 21:23:02
Thanks for the tips. It seems I should try L-tyrosine. You're a big supporter of it and your problems seem to be so similar to mine. I will try vitamins B6 and C too. about the last one do you suggest the "effervescent" form ?
do you think that a multivitaminic-multimineral complex would be useful too ? (I'm asking about it because I bought it ;-)
Posted by DSCH on October 26, 2003, at 18:49:43
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies » DSCH, posted by Francesco on October 26, 2003, at 17:41:00
> Thanks for the tips. It seems I should try L-tyrosine. You're a big supporter of it and your problems seem to be so similar to mine. I will try vitamins B6 and C too. about the last one do you suggest the "effervescent" form ?
I don't know enough to recommend one form or the other... ideally your multivitamin should have a fair amount of B6 and C on its own.
> do you think that a multivitaminic-multimineral complex would be useful too ? (I'm asking about it because I bought it ;-)
Yeah, I didn't make that clear. A good multi formula is perhaps the most convienent foundation to build from, though you need to make sure vitamins included in other preparations don't take you into overdose territory.
Posted by McPac on October 26, 2003, at 21:21:02
In reply to Re: Piracetam is now available, posted by john1022 on October 26, 2003, at 8:55:10
John,
have you ever taken tryptophan for awhile to see how it would do?
Thanks!
Posted by DSCH on October 27, 2003, at 0:37:54
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies » DSCH, posted by Francesco on October 26, 2003, at 17:41:00
Francesco,
This is the plan I used today and I think it worked out pretty well. I think potassium and lecithin/choline/PC/PS may be the additions on the horizon. But this is working good for me it seems.
All "sets" taken together about half-hour before a major meal.
Morning:
Solaray Iron Free Twice Daily Multi Energy, 1 capsule
1000 mg L-tyrosine
100 mg 5-HTP
75 mg grape seed extract OPCs
500 mg calcium carbonate + 1.5 mg boron gluconate
250 mg magnesium oxide
approx. 375 mg TMGAfternoon: as morning, minus the calcium and magnesium.
Evening: as morning, minus the TMG (too activating for me this late I believe!).
Posted by john1022 on October 27, 2003, at 13:00:11
In reply to John, Re: Piracetam is now available, posted by McPac on October 26, 2003, at 21:21:02
I have not tried trytophan yet. It may be my next step if all else fails. I am not too worried about taking the brand made for horses to be honest. Let me know if you have any luck with it! Take care
Posted by francesco on October 28, 2003, at 3:22:24
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies » Francesco , posted by DSCH on October 27, 2003, at 0:37:54
I took 5 minutes ago my first l-tyrosine capsule.
I'm so excited ! I will keep you informed. the herborist said he doesn't sell vitamin b6 anymore ... I didn't ask him why ... do you have any idea about it ?
Posted by DSCH on October 28, 2003, at 10:15:46
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies » DSCH, posted by francesco on October 28, 2003, at 3:22:24
> I took 5 minutes ago my first l-tyrosine capsule.
Ironically, today I am starting an experiment. I am going OFF L-tyrosine and 5-HTP. See the TMG thread below for details.
> I'm so excited ! I will keep you informed. the herborist said he doesn't sell vitamin b6 anymore ... I didn't ask him why ... do you have any idea about it ?
Maybe he doesn't sell enough neat B6. You should find a multivitamin that gives you plenty (say 50 mg) of B6 in addition to C, and don't forget the other Bs.
Posted by Francesco on October 28, 2003, at 14:26:33
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies » francesco, posted by DSCH on October 28, 2003, at 10:15:46
I read the thread. Best wishes for your experiment (and for the site too ! I only visited it for few minutes but the graphic was cool !)
I took 500mg of tyrosine in the morning.
Pleased to say I found it works for me. I can't say anything more at the moment, because I have had troubles sleeping in the last days and so I don't know how it will work for me after having slept enough.but ... very big "but" ... my ability to read was greatly improved ... I'm not taking ginko anymore because I found it helping only with the energy level side (which is not a problem of mine at the moment). anyway if you have trouble on that side, you could consider it.
thanks a lot (and again) for having converted me to supplements. my psychiatrist was quite disappointed to discover I quit the Rit. he suggested via mail imiprammine + a mood stabilizer (if you question the treatment you're receveing they give you a mood stabilizer, no way ;-)
ok, sorry for the eventual mispellings (gotta go to sleep !) and ... which is the ratio to to add C + B6 ?
Posted by DSCH on October 28, 2003, at 22:28:44
In reply to you're DA man » DSCH, posted by Francesco on October 28, 2003, at 14:26:33
There's nothing that prevents you from trying out gingko plus tyrosine eventually if you want to. ;-)
Have you found a good multivitamin-mineral formula yet? I am sold on getting the whole smack: A, all the Bs, C, D, E, magnesium, calcium, zinc, etc..
Does the under-methylated physiological/psychological type as noted by Pfeiffer sound like you (see TMG thread below for link)? We have so many other things in common as it is. :-)
Posted by DSCH on October 29, 2003, at 0:16:20
In reply to Re: ADD alternative strategies, posted by tealady on October 24, 2003, at 3:08:58
> Would royal jelly would be one..or is that mostly B5? I haven't been able to get that for the last few years. I think there is a problem with bees in the past few years.
Some RJ info...
http://natural_products.almaleka.com/bproducts/rj/
Posted by tealady on October 29, 2003, at 4:17:25
In reply to Royal Jelly » tealady, posted by DSCH on October 29, 2003, at 0:16:20
Interesting.
Used to be able to get brown glass bottles with small straws of this stuff in the 80's. Seemed to be a good pick me up...exxy though
Local beekeeper didn't have any, that'd be the way to get it though.
Posted by Francesco on October 31, 2003, at 10:28:35
In reply to Re: you're DA man » Francesco , posted by DSCH on October 28, 2003, at 22:28:44
> Have you found a good multivitamin-mineral formula yet? I am sold on getting the whole smack: A, all the Bs, C, D, E, magnesium, calcium, zinc, etc..I'm taking Minervitam by BodySpring at the moment. I don't know if it's good or not cause I have not yet learned the criterion of goodness in thies area ;-) Why should I take a multivitamin-mineral complex ? I mean, it's because they help with ADHD sintomps or because of they help l-tyrosine to work or whatelse ? (I must write on the agenda to read something about supplements instaed of asking ;-)
Tyrosine is working very well (500 mg someday, 1000 mg some other). Why did you augment the dose to 3000 mg ? Did you find that the more you take the more it helps ?
> Does the under-methylated physiological/psychological type as noted by Pfeiffer sound like you (see TMG thread below for link)? We have so many other things in common as it is. :-)
ok, I'm going to read it and let you know : )
Posted by DSCH on October 31, 2003, at 15:09:26
In reply to Re: you're DA man » DSCH, posted by Francesco on October 31, 2003, at 10:28:35
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> > Have you found a good multivitamin-mineral formula yet? I am sold on getting the whole smack: A, all the Bs, C, D, E, magnesium, calcium, zinc, etc..
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> I'm taking Minervitam by BodySpring at the moment. I don't know if it's good or not cause I have not yet learned the criterion of goodness in thies area ;-) Why should I take a multivitamin-mineral complex ? I mean, it's because they help with ADHD sintomps or because of they help l-tyrosine to work or whatelse ? (I must write on the agenda to read something about supplements instaed of asking ;-)B6 and C are needed for the enzymatic activity that makes L-DOPA from L-tryosine, dopamine from L-DOPA, and then norepinepherine from dopamine.
http://www.mind-boosters.com/chapter_13.html
But lacking the others will end up causing other problems too.
> Tyrosine is working very well (500 mg someday, 1000 mg some other). Why did you augment the dose to 3000 mg ? Did you find that the more you take the more it helps ?
I had 1000 mg tablets and I needed to take them at least three times a day to keep the effect up. It was more a question of duration.
> > Does the under-methylated physiological/psychological type as noted by Pfeiffer sound like you (see TMG thread below for link)? We have so many other things in common as it is. :-)
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> ok, I'm going to read it and let you know : )OK. :-)
Posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 4:34:40
In reply to Re: you're DA man » Francesco , posted by DSCH on October 31, 2003, at 15:09:26
I find tyrosine very activating, maybe too much. I would like to try with less than 500mg, maybe I'll split the capsule. The strangest thing on earth was than yesterday two different persons within an hour told me that I was in a very good shape. I have never been told something like this in 28 years ! I find also that I eat much more since I'm on tyrosine. I'm not sure this will result in a weight gain, 'cause I'm also walking like a marathonet ;-) Have you experienced increased hunger on l-tyrosine ?
Posted by DSCH on November 1, 2003, at 10:00:18
In reply to tyrosine and hunger ? » DSCH, posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 4:34:40
> I find tyrosine very activating, maybe too much. I would like to try with less than 500mg, maybe I'll split the capsule. The strangest thing on earth was than yesterday two different persons within an hour told me that I was in a very good shape. I have never been told something like this in 28 years!
Have you lost fat already or is it that you are carrying yourself more 'purposefully'?
>I find also that I eat much more since I'm on tyrosine. I'm not sure this will result in a weight gain, 'cause I'm also walking like a marathonet ;-) Have you experienced increased hunger on l-tyrosine ?
I ate more (but less carbs) and walked more, so I was pinning that on diet and physical activity. For a while I was dropping a little over 2.5 pounds (1.1 kg) per week. I've been fluctuating around 235 pounds (107 kg) for about a month now.
Two things I think are smart purchase are a blood pressure monitor and a fat-reading weight scale. Just this morning I will get readings from both.
Posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 13:59:09
In reply to Re: tyrosine and hunger ? » Francesco , posted by DSCH on November 1, 2003, at 10:00:18
> Have you lost fat already or is it that you are carrying yourself more 'purposefully'?I didn't lost fat but I was undoubtly more "purposefully". I have noticed also that tyrosine hardens my personality. Maybe it's exactly what helps but once again I don't know if I like it. Another thing that scares me is the very quick response I had. I have read on some post that this can mean I have some NE metabolization defect, or something like this.
At the moment therefore I'm a little afraid of it but I think it's to early to quit it (today I didn't take it to think about 'clearly' about what to do). moreover ... did you experience cold at your extremities while on it ? for me, it was almost unbearable.
Posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 14:31:33
In reply to Re: tyrosine and hunger ? » DSCH, posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 13:59:09
I forgot to mention the positive sides.
Yesterday evening I went to a party and I acted like the amphytrion. I have never ever been like that. I was able to improvise a blues song with a lot of people listening to me : o I said hi to all the people at the party which I never do and talked with almost everyone. It's maybe the most amazing change I got from psychotropic substances and this big change makes me a little anxious.another issue is that I've experienced yesterday a couple of "dumb distraction" episodes. I took the wrong bus and on the bus I met a gut I knew of whom I couldn't recall the name. It was very embarassing. I had similar episodes with Wellbutrin and Ritalin but I don't want to generalize. I think I could do much better on tyrosine if I would be able to avoid coffe.
Unfortunately I find myself preparing expresso and drink it before realizing what I'm doing. I would like to avoid coffe to know for sure what's dued to L-tyrosine and what is dued to a possible interaction.
Moreover I find myself to be less sharp on tyrosine. I mean, sharpness raises also from the capacity to disconnect from what's happening and on tyrosine I am much more connected.
Like on Ritalin I act also like a business-like person, thinking about 'facts' and what to do next. It's weird, that's the only thing I can say. Above all, it seems that I like my being ADHD and that I would like to be very emotional and sensitive as I am and at the same time concentrated, and the combo is maybe impossible.
One question for DA man. You mentioned that my focus problem can be dued to NE and not to dopamine but NE is a precursor of Dopamine. What I'm trying to say is: taking tyrosine am I also increasing dopamine levels ?
Posted by Francesco on November 2, 2003, at 1:22:38
In reply to Re: tyrosine and hunger ? » Francesco , posted by Francesco on November 1, 2003, at 14:31:33
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