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Posted by Tabitha on November 5, 2009, at 3:01:04
I really want to avoid outing myself after years of anonymous posting here.
I thought I could be safe by making sure my registration email here is not the same as my facebook account. It's not. So I found a post with a facebook button and clicked it. Immediately it popped up a confirmation window with my facebook picture. So, how did Dr Bob's site know my facebook account? Well it could just be that by browser knows I'm logged into facebook. Maybe Dr Bob's site doesn't know my account. But Dr Bob's site knows my PB identity "Tabitha" and I'm logged in when I facebook the post. So if I had clicked that confirm button and facebook'd that post, would there be anything to show that "Tabitha" made the post to my facebook wall?
Posted by seldomseen on November 5, 2009, at 5:28:34
In reply to Someone explain how facebook posting works, posted by Tabitha on November 5, 2009, at 3:01:04
I've never clicked a button, but it sounds as though there is a "confirm" button, making it harder to accidentally post something to your facebook page.
One way to be sure is to stay logged off of your facebook account. I think the connection between babble and facebook only exists when you are logged into facebook.
In the thread above entitled "Check your facebook accounts" there is some discussion on what shows up on your facebook page is your post a link to babble there.
Seldom.
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2009, at 10:14:01
In reply to Re: Someone explain how facebook posting works » Tabitha, posted by seldomseen on November 5, 2009, at 5:28:34
I still don't see the connection if the buttons are now removed from my posts? Phillipa
Posted by Nadezda on November 5, 2009, at 11:05:01
In reply to Someone explain how facebook posting works, posted by Tabitha on November 5, 2009, at 3:01:04
Hi, Tabitha.
If you post to your own wall, your profile photo will appear next to the post.
If a friend posts to your wall, their picture will appear next to the comment.
However, be comforted in that:
1. you can be on the do not post list, and the option to post button will be removed from your posts on babble.
2. there is, as seldom points out, the confirm button, which means you need to reconfirm the posting
3. once the post is on face book, you can REMOVE it; on any post on your wall, there is an option for you to remove it at any time-- and this includes your own posts.
3. there are settings which limit who can read and see posts on your wall, so that you can limit the visibility of posts on the wall to whomever you want-- including just yourself. The button is on your facebook page, under options, directly to the right of the post.
So, basically, you can change your mind and remove any post that is on your facebook page that you're uncomfortable with.
So while I understand that people are concerned about privacy, there are many layers of protection from revelation of your identity that would make you anxious.
best,
Nadezda
Posted by Tabitha on November 6, 2009, at 2:32:24
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB » Tabitha, posted by Nadezda on November 5, 2009, at 11:05:01
Thanks for the replies. I understand how the posting works, but I don't understand if it exposes your PB identity in the post. Like say I go post Deneb's post to my wall, then I go post Phillipa's post to my wall, then I go post Tabitha's post to my wall. Can someone tell that I was logged in as Tabitha when I posted it? Or is there anything different looking about the Tabitha post than about the Phillipa post that shows I was logged in as Tabitha when I posted it?
I mean separate from someone actually reading posts and seeing something to identify me, is there anything in the facebook post that makes it obvious I'm Tabitha when I facebook something?
Posted by Tabitha on November 6, 2009, at 2:33:50
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB, posted by Tabitha on November 6, 2009, at 2:32:24
...not that I intend to facebook anything. Just wondering.
Posted by jane d on November 6, 2009, at 3:27:42
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB, posted by Tabitha on November 6, 2009, at 2:32:24
> Thanks for the replies. I understand how the posting works, but I don't understand if it exposes your PB identity in the post. Like say I go post Deneb's post to my wall, then I go post Phillipa's post to my wall, then I go post Tabitha's post to my wall. Can someone tell that I was logged in as Tabitha when I posted it? Or is there anything different looking about the Tabitha post than about the Phillipa post that shows I was logged in as Tabitha when I posted it?
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> I mean separate from someone actually reading posts and seeing something to identify me, is there anything in the facebook post that makes it obvious I'm Tabitha when I facebook something?Tabitha,
It shouldn't. If you right click the facebook button at the bottom of the post it shows the facebook website and the URL of the post you have selected. It looks like that is all it is passing to facebook.You also have the option of not staying signed in to Babble. In that case not even Babble knows that you're Tabitha unless you sign in to make a post. I don't like being automatically signed in anywhere so that's what I do.
Jane
ps I'm going to try to babblemail you.
Posted by Nadezda on November 6, 2009, at 7:33:15
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB, posted by Tabitha on November 6, 2009, at 2:32:24
I posted one of my posts to my facebook account, and what shows up is not my photo, but rather the photo from the top of Psychobabble pages-- in this case, of a child--. Then it is followed by a partial sentence from the beginning of the post. There's also a link to the full post here on Psychobabble.
So my reaction is that no, it's not possible to find out your identity simply from what's on the facebook site.
I hope this helps a little. (PS my post didn't refer to anyone's identity and was from the meds page, although it referred to the discussion about facebook and twitter-- I want to respect everyone's wishes about posting here. So I chose one that doesn't reveal anything except my opinion.)
Nadezda
Posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:27:44
In reply to Information Facebook gets from Babble » Tabitha, posted by jane d on November 6, 2009, at 3:27:42
Oh, thanks. I think that clears it up. I didn't realize the buttons even worked if I wasn't logged into Babble.
Posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:34:47
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB, posted by Nadezda on November 6, 2009, at 7:33:15
Great, thanks for trying that experiment. I guess all it does then is let people broadcast links to PB posts to other sites.
Seems like Bob could have explained this feature better and saved a lot of upset.
Posted by Nadezda on November 7, 2009, at 9:44:35
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB » Nadezda, posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:34:47
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> Seems like Bob could have explained this feature better and saved a lot of upset.Tabitha, that's the understatement of the year!
If I"m upset about anything it's that Bob didn't explain (and still hasn't)-- after making a change that clearly was upsetting to many people and has become already such an iconic moment in the history of babble. That's not the sort of iconic moment you want to create for yourself. And IMO it was all so unnecessary. Yes, people might have been disturbed and a bit suspicious-- but if Bob would explain things and be a bit more present--not to mention let it be felt that he actually thinks about what we say (which I believe he does, even if he doesn't act on what we want)--the whole dynamic of this place would change dramatically for the better.
Nadezda
Posted by Dinah on November 7, 2009, at 10:19:29
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB » Nadezda, posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:34:47
For others maybe.
Not for me.
With help of others I soon enough worked out the basics of how this worked, if not the overall implications. It didn't significantly decrease my concerns.
In the short time my posts showed the icon, person or persons clicked on the icon and increased the number of "hits" on the very posts where I expressed my distress that people were doing so. I don't know if they actually linked anything, and to my thinking either way still distressed me. Was it one person, or very few people? Quite possibly. But it affected how I felt about all of Babble.
Once something leaves Babble, Dr. Bob washes his hands of the civility aspects of it. This has already been an issue with blogs and probably facebook and twitter too. But the difference being that Dr. Bob didn't have "tweet this post" icons at the bottom of posts then. Thus, by my reading of grammar, either inviting, requesting, or ordering people to use the babble posts whatever the poster who wrote the post thought. It was previously possible for posters to use posts in an uncharitable manner. But Dr. Bob didn't facilitate it, and he didn't shove it under our noses with those little counters.
No doubt it says something about my personality or my history that my brain instantly leaps to the least charitable uses of those icons. And Dr. Bob may not wish to respect my concerns. Which is fine, but I then have to decide whether a place where my concerns are not respected is someplace I wish to be.
This aspect has been fixed. But I still don't have the sense that Dr. Bob understands or that he is committed to not doing this again. Or, given the large number of people on the opt out list originally, that he is committed to respecting people enough to discuss these things in the future before implementing them. And to actually *listen* not just employ broken record techniques.
I do also still have the concern that there is not some intermediate step in the link to explain privacy possibilities. As I've stated before, there appear to be a lot of people who don't think about those things as evidenced by the number of therapists who have their private facebook pages set for public viewing. I think it would be polite for Dr. Bob to make sure people understood what they were doing.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2009, at 10:19:25
In reply to Re: Protections, + removal of posts from FB » Nadezda, posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:34:47
> I guess all it does then is let people broadcast links to PB posts to other sites.
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> Seems like Bob could have explained this feature better and saved a lot of upset.I tried. But it's complicated, I may not have been as clear as I could've been, and there was a lot of anxiety. I'm glad you were able to articulate your concerns and get them addressed.
Nadezda, thanks for spelling out the many layers of protection.
Bob
Posted by KaylaBear on December 20, 2009, at 22:29:04
In reply to Re: Protections, posted by Dr. Bob on December 17, 2009, at 10:19:25
Regarding Dr. Bob's response to Nadezda about linking to Facebook and revealing your identity:
Please check the accuracy of the information you are verifying or agreeing with. There are very few protections on this forum.
I have a Facebook account. When you click the Facebook button in one of these posts, you have to be logged in or log in to your Facebook account with your password in order to link the post.
So, obviously, when you link a Psycho Babble post to your Facebook account it links you to your real identity. (Unless you claim someone hacked into your account or stole your password and linked this site to your Facebook account.)
I believe we were given false information from the above posters, but please correct me if I am somehow mistaken.
=) be careful members
For example, according to the article below, a woman with depression lost her job (partly) over what was revealed through her Facebook account. Other things can happen, just take a look at the substance abuse page and you may get the idea.
Posted by KaylaBear on March 7, 2010, at 3:38:37
In reply to clarifying Facebook and privacy issue, posted by KaylaBear on December 20, 2009, at 22:35:32
oops sorry! Here was the post (from Dr. Bob) I was responding to. From the context of the conversation, it seems his response implies that there are no identity concerns with linking your own posts to Facebook. I guess you could link anyones posts to Facebook, rather than just your own? So maybe I interpreted this incorrectly.
But I cant experiment with linking posts because I do not want this site to show up on my Facebook account. Has anyone who has done this explain this to us all?
I guess if had my nickname "KaylaBear" in my Facebook account, others could connect the KaylaBeaer here to my Facebook/real identity if I linked a post written by me from this site to my FB account, especially if I mentioned something like the age and sex of my children or whatever.
I still dont see many layers of protection here.
But oh never mind!!!! I am not posting anything but a couple of questions anyway. Sorry I cant be more helpful.In reply to Re: Protections, removal of posts from FB » Nadezda, posted by Tabitha on November 7, 2009, at 0:34:47
> I guess all it does then is let people broadcast links to PB posts to other sites.
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> Seems like Bob could have explained this feature better and saved a lot of upset.I tried. But it's complicated, I may not have been as clear as I could've been, and there was a lot of anxiety. I'm glad you were able to articulate your concerns and get them addressed.
Nadezda, thanks for spelling out the many layers of protection.
Bob
Posted by KaylaBear on March 7, 2010, at 3:40:15
In reply to above untrue-link to FB will reveal your identity, posted by KaylaBear on December 20, 2009, at 22:29:04
please disregard my last post. I think im just better off not using this forum at all. thanks!
Posted by Katzenjam52 on April 20, 2010, at 13:47:24
In reply to above untrue-link to FB will reveal your identity, posted by KaylaBear on December 20, 2009, at 22:29:04
I used to post under another name. I tried to open the link to start a new thread, unable to do so.
Thanks.
katz
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 20, 2010, at 15:01:14
In reply to New Identity, posted by Katzenjam52 on April 20, 2010, at 13:47:24
> I used to post under another name. I tried to open the link to start a new thread, unable to do so.
Maybe it was a board I closed. It's not possible to start new threads there,
Bob
Posted by Katzenjam52 on April 21, 2010, at 20:13:04
In reply to Re: thanks » Katzenjam52, posted by Dr. Bob on April 20, 2010, at 15:01:14
No actually, it was at the bottom of this board that I was unable to start a new thread: had too many windows open and my browser was complaining. I hope this was good enuf.
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 22, 2010, at 7:33:23
In reply to Re: thanks » Dr. Bob, posted by Katzenjam52 on April 21, 2010, at 20:13:04
> I hope this was good enuf.
It was, thanks,
Bob
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