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Posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 6:46:05
Dr Bob,
I understand there is a rule about requesting determinations / making complaints about peoples posts, which were then found to be OK by you, more than 3 times.
Does this also include asking the baord as a whole for their opinion etc etc, or only posts directed straight at you?
Thanks, Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:34:19
In reply to Question about the 3 complaint rule, posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 6:46:05
Dr. Hsiung and Friends,
It is written in this thread to Dr. Hsiung,[...does it (the 3 rule) include asking the board as a whole for their opinion?...].
I am requesting that you consider the following in a reply to this thread.
A.If this is about my post, 537374, is the post asking the board as a whole for their opinion?
The post of mine writes,[...it is written in this thread,...{someone here threatened to sue me for defamation}...].
I write,[...I am requesting that if you are considering responding to this aspect of this thread that you consider whether or not there could be the potential for the statement in question to have the potential to arrouse ill-will toward an unknown member of this forum...].
It is not my intention to ask the board as a whole for their opinion. I am requesting that others, if they are going to respond to that aspect of the thread, to consider how they respond so that their response could be written without having the potential for arrousing ill-will toward an unknown member of this mental-health community.
I feel that is could be good for this community as a whole to take into consideration the potential for future posts that respond to,[...someone here threatened to sue me for defamation...]that there could be the potential for a post to arrouse ill-will toward a member here since that poster of the statement does make it clear that the one that made the threat to sue for defamation is a member of this community.
B. I also requested that those that are considering responding to that aspect of the thread to consider what is written by Dr. Hsiung in relation to the aspect that if a person's name is not specified, there could be the potential for others to feel accused {...even if the names ar not named...}. In my request, I am not asking for anyone's opinion, but requesting that others think about thier post if they are going to reply, so as to make it clear that they are not accusing a member here of posting {...threatened to sue...].
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:52:18
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-izsuacu?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:34:19
DR. Hsiung and Friends,
If the question in this thread to Dr. Hsiung is about my post, 537065, it is not my intention to ask for anyone's opinion. In the post, I write,[...I am requesting that you ask yourself the following if you are going to post to this thread...].
I feel that if one thinks about whether there is suffitiant clarification about an aspect of a statement before they reply to it, that that could be good for the community as a whole to consider. In 537065, I think that if there is a URL of a post that writes,[....someome here threatened to sue me for defamation...] that that is differant than if there is not a URL here for the threat.
If there is a URL, then the member of the community could be identified. Also, the spacifics of the post could be seen.
My request was for others who are considering replying to that aspect of that thread to take that into consideration in their reply so that they do make any assumption as to who the poster in question is that threatened to sue the other poster for defamation.
Lou
Posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 9:02:55
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-ruloutLu?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:52:18
Lou, I am asking politely that you stop posting anything about my posts. I am feeling very sensitive today, and you are not heping me to feel any better.
Nikki
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:11:02
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-ruloutLu?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:52:18
Dr. Hsiung and Friends,
I am requesting that you take the following into consideration if you are going to reply to this thread.
It is written here,[...the 3 rule...].
If this is about NikkiT2's posts that I have requested that you write a determination as to being acceptable here or not, and if I have requested from Dr. Hsiung 4, I remember that Dr. Hsiung did not reply to one of my requests about one of NikkiT2's posts as to it being acceptable or not.
It is my understanding then, that I have not reached the {more than 3 } aspect even if I requested a determination about another post by NikkiT2, which I do not believe that I have done. If there is one, then I think that it would then fill the place of the post that Dr. Hsiung did not reply with a determination as to it being acceptable or not here.
Also, I remember writing something about the unconstitutional aspect of {Ex-Post Facto} in relation to Dr. Hsiung's rule that he has made here.
Also, I would like for anyone here to take into consideration if they are going to respond to this thread that I remember a post by NikkiT2 that stated something like that she would have no objections to me to bring up posts of hers here. I believe that was a few weeks ago about posts having the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings. If anyone can post the URL to that, I would appreciate it.
Lou
Posted by Tamar on August 4, 2005, at 9:20:35
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-ruloutLu? » Lou Pilder, posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 9:02:55
> Lou, I am asking politely that you stop posting anything about my posts. I am feeling very sensitive today, and you are not heping me to feel any better.
>
> NikkiSorry you're feeling sensitive. I wish I could help you to feel better.
Tamar
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:23:19
In reply to Re: Lou's response to aspects of this thread-ruloutLu? » Lou Pilder, posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 9:02:55
Friends,
It is written here,[...I am asking... you stop posting... about my posts...].
I am requesting that if you are going to respond to that aspect of this thread that you consider that:
A. my post after that request was being written while the post requesting me to stop posting about the posts was posted and I had no knowlege of it.
B. I am requesting to see if you agree with me in respect that I feel that a request like the one in question is made here, could be better accepted if the poster also wrote that they withdraw the request to Dr. Hsiung that I am responding to.
C. I am requesting that if you are going to respond to this aspect of this thread that you see barosky's and gardenergirl's discussion on this board.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:31:37
In reply to Lou's response to an aspect of this thread-wthdrw?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:23:19
Friends,
I am requesting that you read the following link if you are going to respond to this thread.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20050728/msgs/537255.html
Posted by coral on August 4, 2005, at 9:48:19
In reply to Question about the 3 complaint rule, posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 6:46:05
Dear Nikki,
I'm sorry you're having to go through this, especially on a difficult day for you.
Best,
Coral
Posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 9:55:50
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-Luisinocn, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:11:02
Lou Lou Lou,
I offered that you could bring up my posts in that ONE thread, on that ONE subject.
Drop it, please.. or come and live in London on Thursdays and start understanding why I am sensitive today
Nikki
Posted by Nikkit2 on August 4, 2005, at 11:03:41
In reply to Link to gardenergirl's post, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 9:31:37
I did NOT ban you.
I asked you to please stop.
there is an enormous difference between the two.
You may continue if thats what will make you happy, as I have no power to stop you.
Nikki
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:12:17
In reply to Lou's response to aspects of this thread-ruloutLu?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 8:52:18
Yes there have been three requests. Two were deemed acceptable on admin and the third wasn't pbc'd or please rephrased.
Dr. Bob says you've hit your three. Here's your link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041027/msgs/410814.html
To quote from the above:
"Lou, it's now up to you to deal in some other way with posts by her, for example, by not even reading them.
Bob "
As for your first request on defamation? Nikki never said it was you, but your interest in it got my curiousity up. I never found a threat to sue, but I did find an accusation:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030808/msgs/252564.html
and to quote from that:
"You have mad eother defaming statement about me and they are in the archives. As far as others defaming me, that is another story."
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:17:21
In reply to Re: to Nikki, posted by coral on August 4, 2005, at 9:48:19
Nikki - I know this is a rough day for you. Deep breaths.
I'm having a rough day, too. If I email you a hosp. name will you call and check on my friend?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:25:39
In reply to Re: Lou wants a link? » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:12:17
Friends,
It is written here that there are three posts in question.
One of them has Dr. Hsiung writing,{...Pleease be civil...]. It is my understanding that those type of posts that are determined to be worthy of Dr. Hsiung requesting to the poster that wrote the post to [...Please be civil...] do not count toward the "3".
OTOH, I do not believe that I have requested for Dr. Hsiung to write a 4th determination on the board after those. And is not there only 2 if the one with the [...Please be civil...] is not counted?
Lou
Posted by Nickengland on August 4, 2005, at 11:50:37
In reply to Lou's response to Am's post-PBCdoesnotcount?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:25:39
Quite off subject I know, and I appologise for any confusion in advance...
Lou, i was just wondering are you female or male?
Kind regards
Nick
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:51:36
In reply to Lou's response to Am's post-PBCdoesnotcount?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:25:39
The PBS was about something she wrote about your request, not on the original request.
So - it doesn't count.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:56:20
In reply to Re: Lou wants a link? » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:12:17
Friends,
It is written here,[...two were deemed acceptable...the third wasn't pbc'd or asked to be rephrased...].
Looking at the links offered by the poster for this, I am finding that Dr. Hsiung did request the poster to be civil. But looking at it, I can not determine which posts are in consideration.
OTOH, if a post was left without Dr. Hsiung writing that it was either acceptable or not, then It is my understanding that it has not been deemed to be acceptable because there are other posts here that have not been addressed by Dr. Hsiung that I have requested for him to write a determination as to if it is acceptable or not and I remember him reply to my question to him as to how one could know if the statement in question was acceptable or not if he did not address it one way or the other and I remember him writing something like,[...you can't...].
With his reply to me in that respect, it is my understanding that those type of posts are not counted in the "3". And anyway, I do not believe that I have requested a 4th in relation to anyone here.
Dr. Hsiung did write that I could deal with posts that IMO are defaming to me and such that are posted by those with "3" by seeking alternatives. I have emsiled Dr. Hsiung for months about popsts that I request a detremination from him. I have not seen an email reply from him to me about those.
I can not post requests for determinations from posts that are from those posters of "3", nor have I been successfull in emailing Dr. Hsiung for him to reply to me with a determination.
I am requesting for anyone here to advise me of a way that they think could be used under these circumstatnces.
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 12:41:32
In reply to Lou's response to AM's post-B, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:56:20
Well, that is beyond my scope.
I just remembered that Dr. Bob said that, in regards to Nikki, that you would now have to find another way. You wanted a link and I gave it to you.
It is up to Dr. Bob to decide if this (these) fall into the same catagory of requests.
As for other ways? Sorry - I wish I could help.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 12:45:38
In reply to Re: No - the pbc does not count » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 11:51:36
Friends,
It is written here that Dr. Hsiung has offered me the alternative to requesting a determination from those that I have "3" to ignore the posts. But if I do ignore them , and Dr. Hsiung does not reply to my emails concerning those type of posts to him;
I ask:
A.If I was to ignore a post that IMO ,let's say, has the potential to arrouse antisemitic feelings, could there not be the potential for others to post like posts and escalate matters if there is no moderator interceding?
B. If I was to ignore those type of posts, could one have the potential to think that there is the potential to think that I also endorse what is posted?
C. Is it supportive for the moderaor to make a rule that restrains a member of a mental health community from requesting from the moderator to write a determination as to what a poster has posted is acceptable to write here or not?
D. Could it be , in your opinion, reasonable to allow one to request after "3" if the moderator is not active on the board, lets say, for 24 hours? 48 hours? 72 hours?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 12:57:38
In reply to Re: It's up to Dr. Bob to decide » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 12:41:32
Friends,
It is written her,[...I remembered that Dr. Bob said that...you would now have to find another way...].
But OTOH, there were there {not} "3" posts deemed acceptable, but only 2, in the post citing the posts in question? If so, then could there be an error that could allow me to post one more request on the board for that poster in question?
And on another note, if one of those deemed acceptable has something in it that later was deemed unacceptable,then in your opinion, could that post not count?
Lou
Posted by gardenergirl on August 4, 2005, at 13:12:43
In reply to Lou's response to Am's post-PBCdoesnotcount?, posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 11:25:39
> Friends,
> It is written here that there are three posts in question.
> One of them has Dr. Hsiung writing,{...Pleease be civil...]. It is my understanding that those type of posts that are determined to be worthy of Dr. Hsiung requesting to the poster that wrote the post to [...Please be civil...] do not count toward the "3".Maybe I'm reading it wrong or looking at the wrong link, but the "please be civil" I see was directed at noa and SLS...not Nikki. And thus, he let stand the post she made that you requested a determination on. I counted three requests with no action taken towards Nikki. It's my understanding you could make a fourth request, but if it also holds up and no action is taken, then your request (the fourth)would be deemed uncivil. It's up to you whether you want to risk that or not or come up with another way to cope with your reactions to posts from nikki.
And just to add to the conversation, it's up to each individual poster to cope with their own unique reactions to posts. I understand that you are worried about someone experiencing anti-semitic feelings in regards to reading something, but other people's feelings are not really within your locus of control. We all are responsible for our own feelings and reactions.
gg
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 13:19:53
In reply to Re: Lou's response to Am's post-PBCdoesnotcount? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on August 4, 2005, at 13:12:43
That the last post about anti-semetic feelings was only an example cause there *darn* sure wasn't anything like that in Nikki's talk with crushed about the constitution.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 4, 2005, at 13:22:25
In reply to Re: I'm sure hoping » gardenergirl, posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 13:19:53
But thanks for worrying.
I thought I was validating Lou's general concerns about posts here on Babble. I was not referring to any specific post. I probably should have made that more clear since I was responding on a thread that did begin about a specific post.
Thanks for asking.
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 4, 2005, at 13:30:22
In reply to Re: Lou's response to Am's post-PBCdoesnotcount? » Lou Pilder, posted by gardenergirl on August 4, 2005, at 13:12:43
Friends,
It is written here,[...you are worried about someone experiancing antisemitic feelings...].
The aspect of those type of posts is that it is my concern that {there could be the potential, IMO, for the post to arrouse antisemitic feelings.}
There are many examples here that I have requested for the administration to address.
OTOH, if I am not allowed to request on the board if a post in the future is from a "3", and let's say Dr. Hsiung does not reply to me in an email request to him, then what can I do then, in your opinion?
And could you write your opinion of if the rule made by Dr. Hsiung about the "3" is supportive?
Lou
Posted by AuntieMel on August 4, 2005, at 13:36:32
In reply to It was a generalization » AuntieMel, posted by gardenergirl on August 4, 2005, at 13:22:25
I know yours was a generalization. I was talking about the post you were answering.
But - if a person were really making those type remarks it is highly unlikely that Dr. Bob would consider them civil in the first place so it's a non-issue as far as I can see.
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