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Posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 8:29:54
Anyone tried sleep deprivation as a therapy? Apparently lithium (and other agents) can improve response and prevent relapse after recovery sleep.
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 28, 2019, at 13:12:40
In reply to therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 8:29:54
I do know someone. He became a chronic insomniac for 10 years
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 28, 2019, at 13:13:19
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by Lamdage22 on June 28, 2019, at 13:12:40
Has become
Posted by linkadge on June 28, 2019, at 14:29:16
In reply to therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 8:29:54
Hi,
Yes, I will use partial sleep or total sleep deprivation, on occasion, if my depression gets bad. It does relieve depression (for me, at least) but isn't conducive to being incredibly functional the next day. Lithium can help make the effect last a few days.
Sleep deprivation is a different feel from any antidepressant I have used. It can make the world seem fresh and new again. Nice while it lasts - who knows what the mechanism is.
Linkadge
Posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 17:47:42
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium » rovers95, posted by linkadge on June 28, 2019, at 14:29:16
> Hi,
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> Yes, I will use partial sleep or total sleep deprivation, on occasion, if my depression gets bad. It does relieve depression (for me, at least) but isn't conducive to being incredibly functional the next day. Lithium can help make the effect last a few days.
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> Sleep deprivation is a different feel from any antidepressant I have used. It can make the world seem fresh and new again. Nice while it lasts - who knows what the mechanism is.
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> Linkadge
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>Agree, have tried it in the past, although never with lithium....I'm hoping to extend the effect. It's a strange feeling as it's not as though I go back to my previous state before depression, I just feel different.
Posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 17:57:59
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by Lamdage22 on June 28, 2019, at 13:12:40
> I do know someone. He became a chronic insomniac for 10 years
Is that resulting from a single night of tsd or repeated treatment?
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 29, 2019, at 3:02:22
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 17:57:59
Repeated treatment against his will. Pretty ugly if you ask me.
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 29, 2019, at 3:03:23
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by Lamdage22 on June 29, 2019, at 3:02:22
It can be a form of torture. He didn't recover from it.
Posted by linkadge on June 30, 2019, at 13:07:37
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium » linkadge, posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 17:47:42
Some research into sleep deprivation suggest it is the build up of adenosine (sleep promoting chemical) that helps supress overactive limbic function. I'm sure there are other mechanisms as well.
I don't always lapse the next day, sometimes I get a few days out of it.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on June 30, 2019, at 13:08:50
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by Lamdage22 on June 29, 2019, at 3:03:23
Obviously it should never be used on somebody against their will. I'm not sure what context Lamdage is referring to.
Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on June 30, 2019, at 14:48:29
In reply to Re: therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by linkadge on June 30, 2019, at 13:08:50
I agree. He said it was in a hospital setting.
> Obviously it should never be used on somebody against their will. I'm not sure what context Lamdage is referring to.
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> Linkadge
Posted by jay2112 on July 4, 2019, at 1:58:34
In reply to therapeutic sleep deprivation with lithium, posted by rovers95 on June 28, 2019, at 8:29:54
> Anyone tried sleep deprivation as a therapy? Apparently lithium (and other agents) can improve response and prevent relapse after recovery sleep.
>No, I wouldn't do that. Personally, lithium has caused some major depressive rebound with me, and I have had to lower it's dose (lithium) and crank up the antidepressant and anti-anxiety meds dose. I have done a bit of research on disassociation and lithium, as that seems to be what I have experienced when my lithium dose went to 900 mg per day. It is like this huge wad of dysphoric derealization just side swapped me in the head. Anyhow...just my thoughts....
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