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Posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
Started taking Li, 150mg... day 3, nothing else.
I notice I extremely angry at things that have happened in the past. It's weird.
I'm not like this at all when I take nothing.
My GF is convinced it is the Li. I had a similar reaction on Lamictal.
Thanks
Posted by SLS on December 20, 2009, at 9:23:04
In reply to Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
> Started taking Li, 150mg... day 3, nothing else.
>
> I notice I extremely angry at things that have happened in the past. It's weird.
>
> I'm not like this at all when I take nothing.
>
> My GF is convinced it is the Li. I had a similar reaction on Lamictal.
>
> Thanks
Is it possible that you have begun to improve?For many people, depression slows thoughts, drains mental energy, dampens feelings, and mutes memories. If you are experiencing a reduction in the severity of these symptoms, and your mind is becoming more active, your past memories might be more accessible to you, and your reaction to them more robust - anger. That's one possibility, anyway.
Lithium can work within a few days of the first dose. If no other explanations to your experiences are offered, you may want to continue with it and see where things go. I have never heard of a manic reaction to the initiation of lithium, but I guess anything is possible. Perhaps you can view your anger as a temporary phase in your recovery. I imagine you have a great many issues involving your past, present, and future that will require work to process. In the meantime, you can monitor your anger and remember that there are reasons, both biological and psychological, for its appearance, and that you can manage your behavior with that insight in mind. If you feel overwhelmed by the sudden realizations of what your life is and is not, try not to take on the entirety of your thoughts and feelings at once. I know that this is much easier to say than to do, especially when you are in the midst of a psychological and emotional crisis.
How is your anxiety level?
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on December 20, 2009, at 10:57:59
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » TriedEveryDrug, posted by SLS on December 20, 2009, at 9:23:04
When you say rage, anger what does that entail? Is it possible you are angry? Just tossing things out there? Phillipa
Posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 12:08:27
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » TriedEveryDrug, posted by SLS on December 20, 2009, at 9:23:04
Thanks, Scott. It does feel like my memory is clearer.
I'll stick it out, at least for a few weeks and see what happens.
Posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 22, 2009, at 23:03:01
In reply to Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
day 5, nothing else. Still at 150mg.
I'm feeling anger all the time now.
This is sort of what happens when I take desipramine too. Maybe it's like I'm coming out of a fog and now I'm realizing all this crap that has been stacked up that I was oblivious to when I was back in fog land. Like my memory has started working or something.
Very weird.
Posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 12:29:27
In reply to Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
TriedEveryDrug,
I experienced agitation and irritability when I was on lithium, and unfortunately, these side effects did not go away after I discontinued the medication (and neither did my tremor). Lithium did reduce the severity of my depressive symptoms when I took it with Wellbutrin, but it wasn't worth it for what the medication did to me in the long term.
Tomatheus
Posted by SLS on December 23, 2009, at 12:56:48
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 12:29:27
> TriedEveryDrug,
>
> I experienced agitation and irritability when I was on lithium, and unfortunately, these side effects did not go away after I discontinued the medication (and neither did my tremor). Lithium did reduce the severity of my depressive symptoms when I took it with Wellbutrin, but it wasn't worth it for what the medication did to me in the long term.
>
> Tomatheus
What medications, if any, are you taking now?
- Scott
Posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 13:33:21
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » Tomatheus, posted by SLS on December 23, 2009, at 12:56:48
> What medications, if any, are you taking now?
Hi Scott,
Here are the medications that I'm currently taking:
Abilify, 5 mg
Lamictal, 12.5 mg
Hydergine, 2.25 mgAlso taking:
l-methylfolate, 800 mcg
coenzyme q10, 60 mgTomatheus
Posted by SLS on December 23, 2009, at 14:04:53
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » SLS, posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 13:33:21
> > What medications, if any, are you taking now?
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Here are the medications that I'm currently taking:
> Abilify, 5 mg
> Lamictal, 12.5 mg
> Hydergine, 2.25 mg
>
> Also taking:
> l-methylfolate, 800 mcg
> coenzyme q10, 60 mg
>
> Tomatheus
Have you thought to add NAC (n-acetylcysteine) as an antioxidant? From the drugs you list, I am guessing that there is some bipolar stuff going on? NAC is currently being investigated for the treatment of bipolar disorder. Preliminary results are encouraging.For the irritability, you might want to try using Trileptal as an additional mood stabilizer. Although Tegretol is the drug most referred to as a treatment of irritability, aggression, and impulse control, Trileptal (cousin of Tegretol) is being used more often. I have seen it work well for a few people. Unlike Tegretol, it is not sedating, and does not require frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis.
Propranolol is sometimes used to treat tremulousness and anxiety, particularly anticipatory anxiety. It, too, can help with irritability, but can also produce depression. You might want to investigate pindolol as a treatment for the tremulousness as well. My only concern with this drug is that it might increase irritability. You'll have to research that.
- Scott
Posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 23, 2009, at 14:22:59
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 12:29:27
> TriedEveryDrug,
>
> I experienced agitation and irritability when I was on lithium, and unfortunately, these side effects did not go away after I discontinued the medication (and neither did my tremor).
>
> Tomatheus
Hi Tomatheus,Are you saying that Lithium permanently induced agitation and tremor in you?
How long were you on it, what dose, and how long have you been off it?
Thanks
Posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 15:30:43
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » Tomatheus, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 23, 2009, at 14:22:59
> Are you saying that Lithium permanently induced agitation and tremor in you?
Yes, the effects seem to be permanent, or at least semi-permanent. I'm not saying it'll happen to most people who take lithium, but somehow, it happened to me.
> How long were you on it, what dose, and how long have you been off it?
I was on it for about a year and a half at doses ranging from 900 to 1,200 mg/day. I've been off of it for more than four years. I should add that the agitation and irritability aren't as severe as they were right after I discontinued the lithium. These side effects seem to have eased up some over the years, but they haven't completely disappeared.
Tomatheus
Posted by Tomatheus on December 23, 2009, at 15:43:18
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » Tomatheus, posted by SLS on December 23, 2009, at 14:04:53
Scott,
Thank you for your post. I have tried N-acetylcysteine, and it worsened my agitation and irritability. As far as my diagnosis is concerned, the most recent one that I have is schizoaffective disorder, depressed type. The only reason I'm taking Lamictal is because the antidepressants that I've tried either don't work like they did in the past or make matters worse in one way or another. The Lamictal helps with my depression and cognition some at 12.5 mg, but worsened my depression when I tried 25 mg. Abilify also makes my depression worse at doses higher than what I'm taking. Because Dekapote made me feel more depressed and Lamictal worsened my depression at 25 mg, I'm not big on the idea of trying Trileptal, but I appreciate the suggestion.
Tomatheus
> Have you thought to add NAC (n-acetylcysteine) as an antioxidant? From the drugs you list, I am guessing that there is some bipolar stuff going on? NAC is currently being investigated for the treatment of bipolar disorder. Preliminary results are encouraging.
>
> For the irritability, you might want to try using Trileptal as an additional mood stabilizer. Although Tegretol is the drug most referred to as a treatment of irritability, aggression, and impulse control, Trileptal (cousin of Tegretol) is being used more often. I have seen it work well for a few people. Unlike Tegretol, it is not sedating, and does not require frequent blood tests to screen for agranulocytosis.
>
> Propranolol is sometimes used to treat tremulousness and anxiety, particularly anticipatory anxiety. It, too, can help with irritability, but can also produce depression. You might want to investigate pindolol as a treatment for the tremulousness as well. My only concern with this drug is that it might increase irritability. You'll have to research that.
>
>
> - Scott
Posted by Lily777 on May 9, 2016, at 16:58:17
In reply to Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
> Started taking Li, 150mg... day 3, nothing else.
>
> I notice I extremely angry at things that have happened in the past. It's weird.
>
> I'm not like this at all when I take nothing.
>
> My GF is convinced it is the Li. I had a similar reaction on Lamictal.
>
> ThanksHi, I know this thread is old, however, I am experiencing this too on low dose lithium. It is the only drug I am taking, and I am on a low dose of 300mg per day and I have been taking it 8 months. I didn't realize the lithium was causing the rage at first because it is known to calm people, not make them insanely angry, but alas, after several almost uncontrollable bouts of uncharacteristic rage, yelling and headaches induced by the anger, I finally realized its the meds. I am going to stop it. It was the only thing I was willing to try for my condition, and honestly, before I realized it was causing the rage, I was mostly happy with the results..
I'm going to try a holistic approach next. I know it won't be as effective as medication, but it also won't have all the dangerous side effects associated with them either and considering we don't even understand how any of these meds work, I'm just not willing to roll the dice. Its too much of a gamble and a nightmare roller coaster ride trying to find the right "cocktail" of meds and finding them before you permanently damage yourself. Its such a shame.. all these medical advancements we have today, and the industry is still in pretty much in the dark regarding the nervous system.. and its us patients who have to suffer. Its just not fair. No wonder why so many people with mental illness commit suicide. I think only half of it is the illness, and the other half the fact that little or nothing can be done to truly help us. I know I'm fed up, and I haven't even really begun with this illness, and I've already lost hope in the doctors, the meds, with all of it. No one has any idea how to treat me except with a "try and see" approach with medication they can't even explain how it works or how it affects me, and in no other branch of medicine would that ever be an acceptable form of treatment. I just can't do this anymore.
Posted by Lily777 on May 9, 2016, at 17:02:38
In reply to Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage?, posted by TriedEveryDrug on December 20, 2009, at 8:49:21
> Started taking Li, 150mg... day 3, nothing else.
>
> I notice I extremely angry at things that have happened in the past. It's weird.
>
> I'm not like this at all when I take nothing.
>
> My GF is convinced it is the Li. I had a similar reaction on Lamictal.
>
> ThanksHi, I know this thread is old, however, I am experiencing this too on low dose lithium. It is the only drug I am taking, and I am on a low dose of 300mg per day and I have been taking it 8 months. I didn't realize the lithium was causing the rage at first because it is known to calm people, not make them insanely angry, but alas, after several almost uncontrollable bouts of uncharacteristic rage, yelling and headaches induced by the anger, I finally realized its the meds. I am going to stop it. It was the only thing I was willing to try for my condition, and honestly, before I realized it was causing the rage, I was mostly happy with the results..
I'm going to try a holistic approach next. I know it won't be as effective as medication, but it also won't have all the dangerous side effects associated with them either and considering we don't even understand how any of these meds work, I'm just not willing to roll the dice. Its too much of a gamble and a nightmare roller coaster ride trying to find the right "cocktail" of meds and finding them before you permanently damage yourself. Its such a shame.. all these medical advancements we have today, and the industry is still in pretty much in the dark regarding the nervous system.. and its us patients who have to suffer. Its just not fair. No wonder why so many people with mental illness commit suicide. I think only half of it is the illness, and the other half the fact that it seems little or nothing can be done to truly help us. I know I'm fed up, and I haven't even really begun with this illness, and I've already lost hope in the doctors, the meds, with all of it. No one has any idea how to treat me except with a "try and see" approach with medication they can't even explain what it does to me internally or how it works, and in no other branch of medicine would that ever be an acceptable form of treatment. I just can't do this anymore.
Posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2016, at 6:55:46
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » TriedEveryDrug, posted by Lily777 on May 9, 2016, at 17:02:38
> > Started taking Li, 150mg... day 3, nothing else.
> >
> > I notice I extremely angry at things that have happened in the past. It's weird.
> >
> > I'm not like this at all when I take nothing.
> >
> > My GF is convinced it is the Li. I had a similar reaction on Lamictal.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Hi, I know this thread is old, however, I am experiencing this too on low dose lithium. It is the only drug I am taking, and I am on a low dose of 300mg per day and I have been taking it 8 months. I didn't realize the lithium was causing the rage at first because it is known to calm people, not make them insanely angry, but alas, after several almost uncontrollable bouts of uncharacteristic rage, yelling and headaches induced by the anger, I finally realized its the meds. I am going to stop it. It was the only thing I was willing to try for my condition, and honestly, before I realized it was causing the rage, I was mostly happy with the results..
> I'm going to try a holistic approach next. I know it won't be as effective as medication, but it also won't have all the dangerous side effects associated with them either and considering we don't even understand how any of these meds work, I'm just not willing to roll the dice. Its too much of a gamble and a nightmare roller coaster ride trying to find the right "cocktail" of meds and finding them before you permanently damage yourself. Its such a shame.. all these medical advancements we have today, and the industry is still in pretty much in the dark regarding the nervous system.. and its us patients who have to suffer. Its just not fair. No wonder why so many people with mental illness commit suicide. I think only half of it is the illness, and the other half the fact that it seems little or nothing can be done to truly help us. I know I'm fed up, and I haven't even really begun with this illness, and I've already lost hope in the doctors, the meds, with all of it. No one has any idea how to treat me except with a "try and see" approach with medication they can't even explain what it does to me internally or how it works, and in no other branch of medicine would that ever be an acceptable form of treatment. I just can't do this anymore.
>
>
Lily777,
You wrote,[...lithium causing rage...permanently damage...It's such a shame...suicide...little or nothing to help...lost hope with doctors..no one has any idea how to treat me...].
It has been revealed to me that we are wonderfully made. And also that there is a great deception that Mr. Hsiung prevents me from posting about here. It would come from a Jewish perspective as revealed to me which he prohibits me to post here. But the foundation of anti-Semitism he allows to be seen as being supportive here as he states that being supportive takes precedence and going along with that he allows defamation to be rampantly and viciously to be allowed to be posted against me here in direct disregard of his own TOS. This discriminatory perversion of what support means includes that he does not respond to me so that by his example others will not respond to me.
I could offer you a way out of your depression or addiction but here you will see others continue to advise others to stay on the train of addiction, life-ruining conditions and death from these drugs. They are not medicines because they do not treat a disease and do not cure. They are chemical nerve agents used in insecticides and poisons and in the commission of mass-murder.
You are seeing some of that and need a lifting hand to pull you our of the darkness of deception from the claims of others here that would want to inflict you with more drugs that could cause your death. The tragedy here is that my view, from a Jewish perspective, is not only prohibited by Mr. Hsiung, but the promotion of these drugs without posting the harmful effects is allowed that could seriously mislead readers to think that these drugs are safer than they really are and suffer a horrible death by them, while if readers were allowed to hear from me, the Sun of righteousness could arise with healing in his wings.
Lou
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 10, 2016, at 9:26:29
In reply to Lous response-the tragedy » Lily777, posted by Lou Pilder on May 10, 2016, at 6:55:46
Posted by babbler20 on May 22, 2016, at 21:54:52
In reply to Re: Can lithium carbonate cause anger/rage? » TriedEveryDrug, posted by Lily777 on May 9, 2016, at 16:58:17
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