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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 16:59:46
In reply to Lou's response- » PrettyLady, posted by Lou Pilder on October 21, 2012, at 4:12:25
> > SOOOO... As o the beginning of last summer I developed bizarre symptoms switching from Celexa to Zoloft (neck stiffness, back spasms, hot flashes, panic, vertigo, total insanity) and had to stop both cold turkey. I've been working with a Naturopath to try to treat stuff with homeopathy, but due to it's slow nature, I decided to try 5HTP to lift my depression more quickly which BACKFIRED as I started to develop panic. So then I went to a doctor and got Zoloft and took one pill and got even worse panic, woke up at 3 in the morning, and have had cycling panic attacks ever since. It's like a constant panic attack with feelings of dread, and despair and paranoia all at once. I also can't stop thinking about death. It's so messed up, I can't deal with it and have to take ativan all day to cool it off.
> > I took the Zoloft (a single dose of 10mg) 5 days ago and am still having really bad cycling anxiety. What I want to know is, will this wear off, and how long will it take???
> > I started Lithium Orotate 4 days ago which is lifting the depression, making me think clearer, and slightly helping the anxiety, but this irritable, angry, crazy, paranoid anxiety that makes me unable to think straight is subsiquentially making me depressed is not letting up... very much. This is my concern. Please help.
> >
> > p.s. I've always had acute anxiety. But never this f-ed up like.
>
> PrettyLady,
> You wrote,[....started to develop panic...one pill and got even worse...panic attacks ever since...feelings of dread and dispair and paranoia...can't stop thinking about death...bad cycling anxiety...will this wear off...making me depressed..Please help...].
>P_L,
Now I see in your last post a continuation with raging anxiety and such and more drugs. When will it ever end? Now you can go the road of human achievement and try all he combinations of many drugs , but look at the lives of he others here that are tormemnted that are also taking mind-altering drugs given to them by a psychiatrist/doctor.
Let me offer you this. I do not want to see anyone in this type of torment from drugs. I know a way that could deliver you out of the bondage of depression, anxiety, addiction and such and if you want to go on another road other than human achievement, let me know. If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, come to the waters freely and without price.
Lou
Posted by PrettyLady on October 29, 2012, at 18:08:35
In reply to Lou's response-the offer, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 16:59:46
Lou,
I appreciate your concern. I've been praying for a long time. I had a friend who tried some spiritual healing on me, and unfortunately it didn't work. Now I'm somewhere in the middle. I think that God helps us, and I think we have to deal with what we r given as well. But I'm open to your suggestions, I could always use some more spiritual help.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:29:24
In reply to Re: Lou's response-the offer, posted by PrettyLady on October 29, 2012, at 18:08:35
> Lou,
> I appreciate your concern. I've been praying for a long time. I had a friend who tried some spiritual healing on me, and unfortunately it didn't work. Now I'm somewhere in the middle. I think that God helps us, and I think we have to deal with what we r given as well. But I'm open to your suggestions, I could always use some more spiritual help.P_L,
The drugs are chemicals that have constituants used in nerve agents. These vchemicals cause different componants of the brain to be acted upon by the chemical. The chemicals can injure the part of the brian by either temprarily shutting it down or shut dowen that part of the brain forever. So if the chemical enters the part of thebrain that controls sexual aspects, it could cause that componant of the brain to not function and then there is loss of sexual feelings. Th chemical could effect other componants of the brain and efect nerves that control organs, in particular the heart and liver. Time after time, each oill taken is a roll of the dice as to where the chemical will land up to cause damage next. The chemicals could reach a componant of the brain or heart an cause instant death, sudden death. Or the chemical could reach a componant that could cause addiction to the drug, which most mind-altering drugs can and do.
The brain reacts to the chemicals by shutting down parts of the neurons so they do not work as a defense mechinism as seeing the drug as an invader. Here is a video that explains some of this. After the video, I could go on if you like.
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTE
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 20:04:50
In reply to Lou's reply-natgeominni » PrettyLady, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:29:24
No No please. Support. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 20:15:29
In reply to Lou's reply-natgeominni » PrettyLady, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:29:24
> > Lou,
> > I appreciate your concern. I've been praying for a long time. I had a friend who tried some spiritual healing on me, and unfortunately it didn't work. Now I'm somewhere in the middle. I think that God helps us, and I think we have to deal with what we r given as well. But I'm open to your suggestions, I could always use some more spiritual help.
>
> P_L,
> The drugs are chemicals that have constituants used in nerve agents. These vchemicals cause different componants of the brain to be acted upon by the chemical. The chemicals can injure the part of the brian by either temprarily shutting it down or shut dowen that part of the brain forever. So if the chemical enters the part of thebrain that controls sexual aspects, it could cause that componant of the brain to not function and then there is loss of sexual feelings. Th chemical could effect other componants of the brain and efect nerves that control organs, in particular the heart and liver. Time after time, each oill taken is a roll of the dice as to where the chemical will land up to cause damage next. The chemicals could reach a componant of the brain or heart an cause instant death, sudden death. Or the chemical could reach a componant that could cause addiction to the drug, which most mind-altering drugs can and do.
> The brain reacts to the chemicals by shutting down parts of the neurons so they do not work as a defense mechinism as seeing the drug as an invader. Here is a video that explains some of this. After the video, I could go on if you like.
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3Sg6qvgTEFriends,
My apology for the comments in the discussion under the video. I did not intend for this version of the video to be used.
Lou
Posted by Phillipa on October 29, 2012, at 21:17:55
In reply to Lou's apology-Lou's reply-natgeominni, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 20:15:29
Lou I accept your apology. Phillipa
Posted by phidippus on October 29, 2012, at 21:25:35
In reply to Re: F U Prozac and 5htp and... serotonin crazy makers, posted by PrettyLady on October 29, 2012, at 16:44:18
> Do you also struggle with depression and did the lithium help you with that also?
I was on Depakote before Lithium and suffered horribly from depression. Lithium made a huge impact on my mood.
Eric
Posted by phidippus on October 29, 2012, at 21:33:47
In reply to Re: F U Prozac and 5htp and... serotonin crazy makers, posted by PrettyLady on October 29, 2012, at 16:25:31
>Yes, my anxiety has kicked into full gear, raging anxiety at this point.
The best medications to treat anxiety are serotogenic antidepressants and benzodiazapines. Lyrica, Gabapentin, Gabitril, Atarax and Keppra can also help.
>But the heart racing/palpitation was a real thing,
I don't doubt it, but the cause can be anxiety-you may be experiencing a limited symptom panic attack.
>I think I should just not combine the seroquel and the trileptal if I can manage to sleep
Seroquel and Trileptal can be combined safely.
>Will the trileptal help the severe anxiety?
It can help with some, but probably not all your anxiety. It kind of depends what dose you're on.
>And how long does it take to work?
It depends on how quickly you titrate up to a working dose. That can be anywhere from 900 to 2700 mg of Trileptal.
Eric
Posted by PrettyLady on October 30, 2012, at 2:22:17
In reply to Lou's reply-natgeominni » PrettyLady, posted by Lou Pilder on October 29, 2012, at 19:29:24
Uhm. Lou, I don't really appreciate your fear mongering. I have been trying to deal with these issues without medical attention and my life has fallen apart. Please understand that I'm just trying to be well. I had this discussion with a spiritual friend of mine today and she was explaining that perhaps this is the lifeboat that God is giving me, and not to be foolish and try to let mania and suicidal tendencies run wild in the name of "faith". We have faith, but that doesn't mean we don't drink water or eat food because we think God delivers all things without effort. We have bodies, and they have needs. God helps those who help themselves, and after a long time of suffering, this is how I am coming back to a place of wellness, so I can be of service to other people. I'm very upset by your comment, bc you implying that a mentally ill person taking medication makes them an ungodly person. Clearly you don't have an empathetic heart, because if you could feel for 5 seconds what I feel on a daily basis, you wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on me.
I hope and pray that everyone gets what they need in life, including you, which appears to be a clue.
On a more positive note, for some reason I'm feeling much calmer tonight. Perhaps the med is starting to work. Now I'm all upset bc of the direction this threat has turned but I will report on how I feel tomorrow.
Lou if you want to do something helpful, say a prayer that I get better, and stop trying to scare a person who is already afraid of life itself.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 5:03:53
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-natgeominni, posted by PrettyLady on October 30, 2012, at 2:22:17
> Uhm. Lou, I don't really appreciate your fear mongering. I have been trying to deal with these issues without medical attention and my life has fallen apart. Please understand that I'm just trying to be well. I had this discussion with a spiritual friend of mine today and she was explaining that perhaps this is the lifeboat that God is giving me, and not to be foolish and try to let mania and suicidal tendencies run wild in the name of "faith". We have faith, but that doesn't mean we don't drink water or eat food because we think God delivers all things without effort. We have bodies, and they have needs. God helps those who help themselves, and after a long time of suffering, this is how I am coming back to a place of wellness, so I can be of service to other people. I'm very upset by your comment, bc you implying that a mentally ill person taking medication makes them an ungodly person. Clearly you don't have an empathetic heart, because if you could feel for 5 seconds what I feel on a daily basis, you wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement on me.
> I hope and pray that everyone gets what they need in life, including you, which appears to be a clue.
> On a more positive note, for some reason I'm feeling much calmer tonight. Perhaps the med is starting to work. Now I'm all upset bc of the direction this threat has turned but I will report on how I feel tomorrow.
> Lou if you want to do something helpful, say a prayer that I get better, and stop trying to scare a person who is already afraid of life itself.P_L,
You wrote,[...your fear mongering...a spiritual friend of mine..perhaps this is the lifeboat that God is giving me...mania and suicide tendencies...God helps those that help themselves...you implyong...an ungodly person...you don't have an empathetic heart...pass judgement on me...trying to scare a person...].
I am unsure as to what you are wantig to mean here with what you wrote. If you could post answers here to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. If the contnet in the video showed how the brain deals with mind-altering chemicals and the damage the chemical can do to one's brain, how is that {fear mongering} if that is where your statement comes from?
B. If it comes from some other aspect of our discussion, where does it come from?
C.In that you cite what a spiritual friend told you, which God does that friend use as a source of what that friend said to you?
D. By what authority does that friend use to claim that the God that they are referring to says that God helps those that help themselves?
E. In that you are thinking that perhaps there is a lifeboat from God, then perhaps *not* also could be a possibility, whatever the boat is that you think is the boat?
F.Are you aware that psychotropic drugs can increase suicidal and mania tendancies?
G. Are you aware that there is an over abundance of scientific evidence that mind-altering drugs could cause one to think of killing themselves and/or others?
H. Do you agree that by having an understanding of the destructive nature that psychotropoic drugs can do to a person's brain and organs, that the knowledge obtained could be used to make a more-informed decision as to take psychotropic drugs or not?
K. Could it be that the God that I give service and worship to is not the same God as the one that your friend gives service and worship to?
L. Does your (spiritual) friend take mind-altering drugs?
M. If that friend is a bible-believing friend, could you ask that friend if he/she knows what the bible prescribes to those that take mind-altering drugs?
N. Also, could you ask that friend if they understand the prescription for healing that the bible gives?
P. Could you please not post statements here that are lies about me accusing me falsley of mongering fear and being an ungodly person and not having an empathetic heart and passing judgment on you and trying to scare a person? Those are lies about me and have the potential to damage me emotionally and psychologically. They are nothing more than hatred couched in a venue that your "Dr Bob" allows to be spewed upon me here in a collaberation with you and others that could destroy, which is an unsound mental-health practice and could lhave detrimental effects on the one's that harbor such hatred in their hearts.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:35:35
In reply to Lou's reply-moarhey » PrettyLady, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 5:03:53
Lou, you have stated that you are trying to follow Dr. Bob's rules. Dr. Bob has clearly stated that if the poster who originates a thread points out that they wouldn't find posts of a certain kind helpful, then at that point it would be unsupportive to continue to make them.
PrettyLady has invoked that rule. Please continue further discussions on another thread.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 8:11:00
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-moarhey » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 7:35:35
> Lou, you have stated that you are trying to follow Dr. Bob's rules. Dr. Bob has clearly stated that if the poster who originates a thread points out that they wouldn't find posts of a certain kind helpful, then at that point it would be unsupportive to continue to make them.
>
> PrettyLady has invoked that rule. Please continue further discussions on another thread.
>
> D,
You have not specified what post of mine is a{certain kind}. If you could identify what post you want to mean, then I could have the opportunity ot respond to you here. If you are intending not to identify which post you are referring to, that could cause ill-will to be directed at me and I am defending myself here against false accusations and lies being posted here about me and are allowed to stand by Mr. Hsiung here. I want to stop this and the way for me that is available is to ask you to identify that particular post now. Mr Hsiung has commited what is called {waiver} here of his rules that allows now members to post hatred and defamation toward me here. The rules are waived for them so they are waived for me also. Please do not post anything that can be construed to think that there are two standards here and hold me to rules that others are not held to. In my response to P_L, I was responding to hate and defending myself against the heaping of lies and defamation and hate upon me here. No one can post lies and hate to someone and then say that they can not defend themselves by responding to the slander. Mr Hsiung is allowing this to fester and if I do not try to stop him, others could be filled with the poison of hate as thinking that it is supportive by him to post that to me for he has not sanctioned by his own rules the hate posted to me here. When I came here, I saw that Mr Hsiung would not let one match start a forest fire. I took him at his word. And I took him at his word that he would be doing what will be good for this community as a whole. Yet today, the hatred posted to me here is being orchistrated by the Wizzard of Babble by him allowing it to stand and collaberating with members and you want me to not respond to the hate and defend myself by not posting to the hate because of some rule that says that the innitiator of a thread can post lies and hate to you and then invoke that you can not post a response to the hate? That is not the rukle at all. The rule is that in the first post, the innitiator can restrict the responses, but I am responding to what she wrote to me which is different.
Here is a link to Mr Hsiung's attitude toward me and the collaberation that he asks for in relation to members and calling me The Prince of Death.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1029662.html
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:17:17
In reply to Lou's reply-wizzer » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 8:11:00
I'm trying to help you, Lou.
I mean anti medication kinds. Dr. Bob was clear on the rights of the originating posters to request this.
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:24:08
In reply to Re: F U Prozac and 5htp and... serotonin crazy makers, posted by PrettyLady on October 29, 2012, at 16:44:18
I have to apologize. My goal wasn't to turn your thread into one about Lou. It was just to point out that thread originators do have, under site guidelines, the power to politely request that certain types of posts not be made in reply. You could also include requests that posts of an administrative nature not be made on the thread if you find it distracting.
Again, I apologize.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 8:32:40
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-wizzer » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:17:17
> I'm trying to help you, Lou.
>
> I mean anti medication kinds. Dr. Bob was clear on the rights of the originating posters to request this.D,
The poster opened up dialog with me with that she is open to suggestions concerning my offer to her to help her withdrawal from the SSRI and such.
Now in order for one to be able to withdrawal from mind-altering drugs, I think that being educated concerning the psysiology of drugs and what they do to the brain and body is essential. And the forum is for support and education. The posting of the video is used world-wide in educating people about psychotropic drugs and addiction. I am trying to lead the person to truth, and truth is supportive in any mental health forum. There is no rule that allows a member to restrict others from popsting education, for the forum is for that.
Her is a link to er post inviting me to respond. Be advised, that I wll not allow others to slander me here and post lies aout me here and not defend myself against the hatred promulgated here toward me by the nature of Mr Hsiung allowing it or members trying to say tha there is a rule that I can not defend myself against the hate. There is no such rule in any mental health forum and if there is, utr is an unsound mntal health practice unless the moderator sanctions that hae. In the case here, Mr Hsoiung has waived his rules and they are waived to all.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20121029/msgs/1030249.html
Posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:38:43
In reply to Lou's reply-entrp » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2012, at 8:32:40
She made a later reply, Lou. I was responding to that.
I'll let her decide herself. I just wanted to let her know of the possibility.
I won't discuss this further on this thread. The poster came here for support and education, not an administrative discussion.
Posted by PrettyLady on October 30, 2012, at 10:40:08
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-entrp » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 30, 2012, at 8:38:43
Lou, I know you're trying to help, but your comments are making me feel very hopeless and horrible. I would request you leave these issues to those educated on the issue. I just need to get better right now and you're causing me great distress and making me feel like jumping off a bridge.
How do I email the administrator?
Posted by Phillipa on October 30, 2012, at 18:10:04
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-entrp, posted by PrettyLady on October 30, 2012, at 10:40:08
First try hitting notify administrator button. If no reply. Then you should find his email address at bottom of page? Or used to be there. Phillipa
Posted by PrettyLady on October 31, 2012, at 10:42:48
In reply to Re: F U Prozac and 5htp and... serotonin crazy makers » PrettyLady, posted by phidippus on October 29, 2012, at 21:33:47
Well the anxiety, panic is still really really bad. I wake up early and it's like every sound causes a panic response in my chest. I pray with it, try to ignore it, it doesn't help. I wake up over and over. Yesterday I had a really bad emotional breakdown. My poor parents sat on either side of me while I told them over and over I was sorry, that I screwed everything up. Full on nutso status. This stuff really breaks me apart because I try so hard to will it away, to pray it away, to accept it and move forward, and it always takes me down. It's like chronic pain. I'm trying to pray more, to believe I'm going to live through this somehow.
My thoughts are is that I need to get back on an antidepressant fast. I requested Remeron from my NP at my University, because I think it's the least likely to cause me panic. I was wondering what maybe Eric thought about that?? Right now I'm having to take Ativan a lot, just to brush my teeth or study. This is putting me in a further hole. So I think antidepressant fast is good, right?
thank you.
Posted by PrettyLady on October 31, 2012, at 22:57:46
In reply to Re: F U Prozac and 5htp and... serotonin crazy makers, posted by PrettyLady on October 31, 2012, at 10:42:48
I finally went to an urgent care facility today. They diagnosed me with bipolar mixed state. I sobbed in the waiting room with relief. She said that I hadn't met the criteria perfectly, but that I was clearly bipolar. It's funny how I'm second guessing it right now. I'm so worried, I can't trust my own thoughts. It's so weird.
I feel so far from reality. One thing in particular that disturbs me is this numb, pressure in my head thing. I feel so much fear it's bizarre. I don't understand myself anymore, and I second guess everything. I hope it's just part of the bipolar.
I look at things, and I feel like I've never seen them before. Everything feels different. It's like I've never been in this apartments before, but it's my apartment... wtf?
The doc prescribed me 300 lithium carb twice a day and 5 mg zyprexa. The only thing I like about this is I'm going to get some sleep. I've been sleeping, but I will wake up after four hours and then fall back asleep and wake up and have panic attacks over and over and over. I try to stay in bed because I'm tired. This is the weird thing about my condition, it doesn't sound bipolar. Being tired isn't bipolar. I'm really confused by this whole thing.
Posted by phillipa on November 1, 2012, at 18:47:23
In reply to Urgent Care, posted by PrettyLady on October 31, 2012, at 22:57:46
Seriously you need to see a real psychiatrist for an accurate dignosis. Was the doc in Urgent care a psychiatrist? Phillipa
Posted by PrettyLady on November 1, 2012, at 21:08:57
In reply to Re: Urgent Care » PrettyLady, posted by phillipa on November 1, 2012, at 18:47:23
She was a PA-C which I believe is a physician assistant. I talked to a social worker first, and then her. Unfortunately that's what they had at the urgent care unit. She apparently has dealt with this a lot. I haven't been able to get into anyone else.
Posted by phillipa on November 2, 2012, at 18:40:49
In reply to Re: Urgent Care, posted by PrettyLady on November 1, 2012, at 21:08:57
Is there a public psych facility for seeing pdocs or cousellors there? Phillipa
Posted by PrettyLady on November 2, 2012, at 23:01:47
In reply to Re: Urgent Care » PrettyLady, posted by phillipa on November 2, 2012, at 18:40:49
Yes I'm receiving counseling through the state, and the prescription I got from an urgent care facility, but the "doc" was a physician's assistant. I realize that I've been very frantic lately, I will chill out and just trust for a while. It's really slow to get into a psychiatrist here. Thanks for all of your help.
Posted by sleepygirl2 on November 4, 2012, at 23:34:19
In reply to Urgent Care, posted by PrettyLady on October 31, 2012, at 22:57:46
"Jamais vu"... You know the term?
It's the sensation of feeling that the familiar is unfamiliar.
It means "never seen", like "deja vu" means "already seen".
Take care
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