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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:22:22
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 20:57:25
> > > > Friends
> > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.htmlFriends,
Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
Lou
To see this video,
A. Pull up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
Posted by phillipa on October 12, 2012, at 21:29:06
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 20:57:25
Lou please do not trigger others with threads such as this people please do now open I didn't. Better times are here. Phillipa
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:41:32
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 12, 2012, at 8:28:52
> Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
>
> It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
>
> If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
>
> It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
>
> There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
>
> Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
>
> Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.D,
You wrote,[...does it ever occure to you...frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them...?]
You now, I have been writing here that going off these meds could cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves.
Now I do not want poeple here to be mislead into thinking faslsely about me here.
But what I do want to post about here is how one can have a way out of the situation where they could think that the drugs could kill them and want off of them and know that a withdrawal could happen and suicide ideation could also be part of that. But because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, those people that would like to know what I know are not supported but denied the opportuity to make up their own mind since they do not have my support and education being allowed to be offered here, which could be an indoctrination by the administration here, for I am prohibited here from posting what has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective that INHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and lead people to a new life, free from addiction and depression.
So if one responds, even by being frightened of death from the drugs, to that the drugs could be causing their condition and want a way out, they could know from my posts that there could be a way out, there could be a new life, there could be a new heart, a new spirit and they could sing a new song, a song of joy, a song of life, and leave behind the old things of depression and addiction.
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 13, 2012, at 5:33:18
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 13:45:04
> > I have seen many members die here from the drugs.
> Why do you not provide statistics here?
>
> How many is "many"?
>
> We are, of course, talking about the sampling of members of the Psycho-Babble posting community.
>
> I think it is incumbent upon you to produce a sum and perhaps even examples by providing the posting names of those who you know to have died as a result of taking drugs. You will also need to describe the methodology by which you come to your conclusions regarding the cause of death of those people you refer to.
>
> If you cannot produce the information requested above, I offer the suggestion that you desist posting about death due to drugs until you can.
How are you coming along?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 6:32:56
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:41:32
> > Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
> >
> > It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
> >
> > If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
> >
> > It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
> >
> > There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
> >
> > Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
> >
> > Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.
>
> D,
> You wrote,[...does it ever occure to you...frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them...?]
> You now, I have been writing here that going off these meds could cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves.
> Now I do not want poeple here to be mislead into thinking faslsely about me here.
> But what I do want to post about here is how one can have a way out of the situation where they could think that the drugs could kill them and want off of them and know that a withdrawal could happen and suicide ideation could also be part of that. But because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, those people that would like to know what I know are not supported but denied the opportuity to make up their own mind since they do not have my support and education being allowed to be offered here, which could be an indoctrination by the administration here, for I am prohibited here from posting what has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective that INHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and lead people to a new life, free from addiction and depression.
> So if one responds, even by being frightened of death from the drugs, to that the drugs could be causing their condition and want a way out, they could know from my posts that there could be a way out, there could be a new life, there could be a new heart, a new spirit and they could sing a new song, a song of joy, a song of life, and leave behind the old things of depression and addiction.
> LouFriends,
You may want to know ow these statistics are obtained by me. There are many sources that are accredited that get their statistics from the FDA and other agencies. I use these and other sources to arrive at my numbers, they are not made up.
Now for those that want to dispute the statistics from the FDA, they can do that with them, not me. For instance, here is one of the statistics that I use to compute the probability of death from a drug.
Notice that the number for death is over 4%. But that is only one statistic that I use. By combining other data, I can come up with the chances of your death from these drugs. And chances are your chances are, could be very good.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+ideation
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:22:22
> > > > > Friends
> > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
>
> Friends,
> Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> Lou
> To see this video,
> A. Pull up Google
> B. Type in:
> [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]Friends,
One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
Posted by SLS on October 13, 2012, at 9:55:14
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
Lou Pilder:
You trust who you trust. That is a personal decision. Personally, I don't trust eHealthme or the singular instance that someone from the Mayo Clinic cited them as a source of a single statistic. I looked into it. I challenge you to produce evidence that The Mayo Clinic in any way endorses eHealthme as a source of information. I think the author of that one article was foolish to use eHealthme as a source. This is just my opinion.
Regarding the statistics I asked for, I now petition you yet again to produce the number of people on Psycho-Babble who have died from drugs, and describe your procedure for determining the cause of death of these "many" people that you refer to.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20121009/msgs/1028438.html
Let us see if you can substantiate your claims regarding Psycho-Babble using facts. I can think of two people who have lost their battle with mental illness here. I find that to be an astonishingly low number considering the rate of suicide in the general population. My guess is that the education and support that people on Psycho-Babble afford each other is responsible for this low incidence of death.
:-)
Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 17:50:08
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 8:42:39
> > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > Lou
> > To see this video,
> > A. Pull up Google
> > B. Type in:
> > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
>
> Friends,
> One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/deathFriends,
There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
Here is another link;
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 18:04:40
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 17:50:08
> > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > Lou
> > > To see this video,
> > > A. Pull up Google
> > > B. Type in:
> > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> >
> > Friends,
> > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
>
> Friends,
> There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> Here is another link;
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
>Friends,
Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
Here is another link
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/death
Posted by Dinah on October 13, 2012, at 20:06:38
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 18:04:40
I always stood up for you, Lou. But I've reached my limit.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 20:59:26
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 18:04:40
> > > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > > Lou
> > > > To see this video,
> > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > B. Type in:
> > > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
> >
> > Friends,
> > There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> > Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> > Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> > Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> > Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> > Here is another link;
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
> >
>
> Friends,
> Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
> Here is another link
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/deathFriends,
I see the door shutting here. As in the days of Noah, there was a warning from one that knew. Now I know from what I see statistically that many could die here, soon. I base this on what is plainly visible to me here. You see, when the dice are rolled over and over, for years upon years, the probability becomes accurate. You could roll the dice 65 times and snake-eyes might not come up. But if you roll the dice 10,000 times and record each number, snake-eyes could approach its true probability. (1 in 36)
So I see a catastrophy here coming. A catastrophy of death.
BUt let's suppose that one takes multiple drugs. Then does not the probability of death equal the sum of the probabilities?
Lou
So let's look at:
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/prozac/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/celexa/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/luvox/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lexapro/death
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 21:09:25
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 20:59:26
> > > > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > > > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> > > Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> > > Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> > > Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> > > Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> > > Here is another link;
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
> > >
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
> > Here is another link
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/death
>
> Friends,
> I see the door shutting here. As in the days of Noah, there was a warning from one that knew. Now I know from what I see statistically that many could die here, soon. I base this on what is plainly visible to me here. You see, when the dice are rolled over and over, for years upon years, the probability becomes accurate. You could roll the dice 65 times and snake-eyes might not come up. But if you roll the dice 10,000 times and record each number, snake-eyes could approach its true probability. (1 in 36)
> So I see a catastrophy here coming. A catastrophy of death.
> BUt let's suppose that one takes multiple drugs. Then does not the probability of death equal the sum of the probabilities?
> Lou
> So let's look at:
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/prozac/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/celexa/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/luvox/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lexapro/deathFriends,
Now these:
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zoloft/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zyprexa/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/geodon/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lamictal/death
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/imipramine/death
Posted by jane d on October 14, 2012, at 2:47:50
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 21:09:25
Or are you?
You're a smart guy. I think you know what those numbers really say.
They say that of the people who have bothered to report something bad happening while they took the drug (which is only a tiny percentage of users to begin with) x percentage died. It does not say they died BECAUSE of the drug. It certainly does not say that x percentage of everyone who takes the drug dies. None of these drugs confer immunity from accidents, cancer, heart disease or aging. People continue to die from all the things they would have died from before.
To be meaningful you would need to show that more people died while taking a specific drug than would have died otherwise. Rarely, there are statistics like that. Usually the drug gets pulled from the market or gets a warning. An example would be risperdal in the elderly who have dementia which is now a black box warning.
Why not stick to honest criticisms of these meds. And if you believe that religion is always a better choice than meds you're allowed to believe that too - but I do think those arguments should be taken over to the faith board.
Posted by SLS on October 14, 2012, at 6:29:02
In reply to You're totally misreading the numbers on the links » Lou Pilder, posted by jane d on October 14, 2012, at 2:47:50
Hi Jane.
Regarding the eHealthme website:
The most important statistic is missing. There is no value representing the incidence of side effects of all the people who take these drugs. For any one drug, there is no attempt at accounting for the total number of people who use it. Therefore, no percentage of fatality can be ascertained. In my opinion, this is subterfuge.
- Scott
Posted by quasimotor on October 14, 2012, at 7:00:07
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 21:09:25
I take:
75 mg phenelzine
100 mg topamaxfor six months about.
so phil....
am i gonna die before the second coming? because that would really bum me out....
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2012, at 10:04:24
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 21:09:25
> > > > > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > > > > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> > > > Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> > > > Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> > > > Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> > > > Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> > > > Here is another link;
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
> > > >
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
> > > Here is another link
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/death
> >
> > Friends,
> > I see the door shutting here. As in the days of Noah, there was a warning from one that knew. Now I know from what I see statistically that many could die here, soon. I base this on what is plainly visible to me here. You see, when the dice are rolled over and over, for years upon years, the probability becomes accurate. You could roll the dice 65 times and snake-eyes might not come up. But if you roll the dice 10,000 times and record each number, snake-eyes could approach its true probability. (1 in 36)
> > So I see a catastrophy here coming. A catastrophy of death.
> > BUt let's suppose that one takes multiple drugs. Then does not the probability of death equal the sum of the probabilities?
> > Lou
> > So let's look at:
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/prozac/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/celexa/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/luvox/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lexapro/death
>
> Friends,
> Now these:
> Lou
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zoloft/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zyprexa/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/geodon/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lamictal/death
> http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/imipramine/deathFriends,
Let's look at more of that I use to determine how long one could live with the knowledge of what drugs they take and for how long. There is much more that I use also. The site , ehealthme, has statisics that I use but that is only one part of what I use. The site uses a {population}. The population is those that have recorded FDA and other agencies reports from those that use the drug in queston. That is only one population that I use. There are many other populations such as {clinical trials} and more.
So I am not only using the data from ehealthme, which they obtain a lot from the FDA.
There is a lot of mathematics involved here. One concept that is important here is {ratio and proportion}. Another is what is known as the {standard deviation} and another known as the{mean proportional}. This is some of what is involved in the statistical analysis of data. This leads to interpretaion of {causation}.
I intend to develop this here so that your undertanding of data could be understood better.
Now the concept of {ratio} is ancient and what people here could be disallowed from knowing by the nature of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, is that he word {ratio}comes from the ancient Greek language as {logos} as their word for {reason} or, {word} which involves tha foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here.
Now some of you may have a door opened here to see a light penatrating here if you have been following my attempts to save lives here by and through the {Word} or {logos}.
Lou
Posted by SLS on October 14, 2012, at 10:20:34
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2012, at 10:04:24
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20121009/msgs/1028438.html
- Scott
Posted by Phil on October 14, 2012, at 11:27:47
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
Posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 20:11:24
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 11, 2012, at 20:08:27
> Friends
> I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> A. The drugs you take now
> B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> LouLooks like Lou's trying for Troll of the Year.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 15, 2012, at 20:24:33
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by Lou Pilder on October 14, 2012, at 10:04:24
> > > > > > > > > > > Friends
> > > > > > > > > > > I can compute the probability of you dying in relation to how many years you have left to live based on the drugs yoiu take and for how long.
> > > > > > > > > > > If you would like me to compute your chances of living as to how many years until your death, post here the following:
> > > > > > > > > > > A. The drugs you take now
> > > > > > > > > > > B. The amount of time you have taken each drug.
> > > > > > > > > > > I will use advanced statistics to compute your chances of living. The death-o-meter is a general prediction so your results may vary. This is not to tell you to stop your drugs, for people kill themselves when in withdrawal. If you want to withdrawal from these drugs, I could help you, but the prohibitions here from Mr Hsiung to me prevent me from posting what is needed by me that IMHHHO could save your life.
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > > Many of you already know that there are members here that are searching for a way out. A way out of addiction, depression, anxiety fear of death and such. It has been revealed to me how one could do that. It seems to me that members here would want to know that and go to Mr Hsiung to have him change his policy as to the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me so that I could post here what could lead you out of the darkness of depression and adddiction into a marvelous light.
> > > > > > > > > > This thread was innitated by me for those that want to kno how many years they could go by taking their drugs before the drugs kill them as there are statistics that can reveal that that I can tell you.
> > > > > > > > > > Now I have posted here that I do not want to have you stop your drugs because in wihdrawal there are people that kill themselves. And I could help people withdrawal without killing themselves if the posts that could arouse antisemitic feelings that are allowed to stand and I have outstanding requests about, were made not outstanding. Can't you see, that when you are told that others are superior to Jews and that Jewish children can not have forgiveness from and eternal life from the God that they give service and worship to because they do not (redacted by respondent)Jesus whch Mr Hsiung allows here to stand and even allows the poster to write that the bible says such? I think that the member here have a duty to redacted by respondent) and support life. That is why thois thread is about death. I want you to live, not die. And if you do not like my attempt to save lives here then you can (redacted by respondent).
> > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > > Many of you may not know that I have been here a long time, even from the start. I have seen many members die here from the drugs. But now there is not much time left for some. You see, I see a great statistical anomoly. This is because IMHO there is an indoctrination that could be goin' on here to lead people to believe particular (false) ideas about Jews, and me as a Jew. And because of that IMHHHO there are going to be many people die here soon from the drugs that they take. It stands out to me so visible that I want to warn you of the hard rain that is going to fall. But as in the days of Noah, we have somerhing differnt here. One can get on the ark and the door will not be shut. For I have a way for you to have a way out of the deluge of death that I see coming here.
> > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > > This thread is for people that want to know as to the drugs that they are taking, as to how long they could live until the drugs kill them. If I was to know the drugs taken and the amount of time I could compute statistically a probability for that. I also could use the archive for more definition. Now for those that are not interested, they could go elseware and even start a new thread with their ideas about drugs and death.
> > > > > > > > So let it be for the interested people here. I come to offer help in relation to warning those that may be misled into thinking that these drugs could not kill them. They kill by many ways. One is by inducing a mind-altered state to compel them to want to kill themselves. This could happen in withdrawal and someone posted here that just switching drugs could cause one to kill themselves.
> > > > > > > > Yet today, people here offer advise to others to switch drugs. They also offer advise to take a drug that could induce homocidal thinking and/or suicidal thinking.
> > > > > > > > Here is one case of death here. The FDA now admits that a lot of these drugs can increase suicidal thinking. But it is much more than that. Look at the posts here of all those that want to kill themselves. Look also at the drugs that they list taking. And look at the drugs advised by others for them to take. Is it not plainly visible what is goin' on here? Is the road of druggin' leading to being free from depression and addiction, or are the drugs causing addicton and depression? And telling others to go down that road of drugs, I ask if they know what's waiting 'round the bend.
> > > > > > > > I am prohibited here from posting what the scriptures that the Jews use prescribe to those that tell others to take mind-altering drugs. I am prohibited here from posting what IMHO could save your life. But I say to you, that 42,000 people or so died last year from these drugs and before that and after that, a progression that sums to a great multitude of deaths. I have seen the Great Multitude, for it has been revealed to me and I am prohibited from posting about that here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr. Hsiung. And going forward I think that the advertising and other aspects could make that number higher and going forward higher and higher. For you that are alive now, just remember those millions of deaths that could be counted of those that the drugs killed going forward and those that have already been killed going back 50 years.
> > > > > > > > Hear is one post of those that killed themselves that were members here.
> > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020308/msgs/3971.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > > Here is a video that I would like for interested members here to view.
> > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > To see this video,
> > > > > > > A. Pull up Google
> > > > > > > B. Type in:
> > > > > > > [youtube, Psychiatric drugs-search warnings,studies & side effects]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > > One of the dta bases that I use to compute your chances are of your death from the drugs that you take come from that data base of the FDA. So if you wnt to contest their data, please contact them, not me. I do trust their data and so does the Mayo Clinic.
> > > > > > Here is a link to show your chances of your death from taking xanax.
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/xanax/death
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends,
> > > > > There are many ways that I use to cpmpute probabilities in relation to the chances of death from mind-altering drugs. One site from many that I use is as follows and you could look through the sit and make your own determination as to its credibility :
> > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/aboutus
> > > > > Then there are the posts by the members that have died here and as to how one could detrmoine if they killed hemselves. Some have emails from their survivors saying that they killed themselves. Then there are the posts by the members that could say that they had suicidal thinking after taking a drug. hen there is the report that he person died from "accidental overdose". The drug did kill thembut there is the question fo how could someone accidental overose when they were taking psychotropic drugs as prescribed at a particular dosage? ANd who is to determine if the death was accidental and how could that determination be made? Could not the person killed themselves deliberatly?
> > > > > Then there is the deaths by heart attack or cardiac arrest.
> > > > > Now in the cases where there was not heart conditions present before the drugs, then that could be evidence that the drug did the killing and there are forensic tests if the family or police and such so want. Then there is liver failure, and other organ failures that can be determined as to if the drug caused the death.
> > > > > Now the statistics from the FDA say what is what. And ehealthme uses those statistics and others.
> > > > > Here is another link;
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/risperdal/death
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > Now here comes some ways that I compute the chances of death. for instance, in the Risperdal stat, which is over 4%, we have the following reasoning depicted by ehealthme. But it is much more than that. Another aspect that I use is if the member is advised to swith their drug . And then does the member have the way to by-pass the psychiatrist/doctor/prescriber and take the advised drug behind the prescriber's back. Now if the psychiatrist/prescriber is doing what is right in relation to giving drugs, then could not one telling the prescriber that they want another drug lead the prescriber to think that they are a bozo for not issueing the drug in the first place? Can you not see that there is a danger here by people advising others to take a drug that is not prescribed to the other? And could not death result if the person skips their doctor's visit to get a prescription for the drug? And could not a case be made to arrest the advisor if the other member dies from the drug advised to take? Maybe that person is allergic to the advised drug and dies from one pill.
> > > > Here is another link
> > > > Lou
> > > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/paxil/death
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > I see the door shutting here. As in the days of Noah, there was a warning from one that knew. Now I know from what I see statistically that many could die here, soon. I base this on what is plainly visible to me here. You see, when the dice are rolled over and over, for years upon years, the probability becomes accurate. You could roll the dice 65 times and snake-eyes might not come up. But if you roll the dice 10,000 times and record each number, snake-eyes could approach its true probability. (1 in 36)
> > > So I see a catastrophy here coming. A catastrophy of death.
> > > BUt let's suppose that one takes multiple drugs. Then does not the probability of death equal the sum of the probabilities?
> > > Lou
> > > So let's look at:
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/prozac/death
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/celexa/death
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/luvox/death
> > > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lexapro/death
> >
> > Friends,
> > Now these:
> > Lou
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zoloft/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/zyprexa/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/geodon/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/lamictal/death
> > http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/imipramine/death
>
> Friends,
> Let's look at more of that I use to determine how long one could live with the knowledge of what drugs they take and for how long. There is much more that I use also. The site , ehealthme, has statisics that I use but that is only one part of what I use. The site uses a {population}. The population is those that have recorded FDA and other agencies reports from those that use the drug in queston. That is only one population that I use. There are many other populations such as {clinical trials} and more.
> So I am not only using the data from ehealthme, which they obtain a lot from the FDA.
> There is a lot of mathematics involved here. One concept that is important here is {ratio and proportion}. Another is what is known as the {standard deviation} and another known as the{mean proportional}. This is some of what is involved in the statistical analysis of data. This leads to interpretaion of {causation}.
> I intend to develop this here so that your undertanding of data could be understood better.
> Now the concept of {ratio} is ancient and what people here could be disallowed from knowing by the nature of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, is that he word {ratio}comes from the ancient Greek language as {logos} as their word for {reason} or, {word} which involves tha foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that is prohibited by Mr Hsiung to me to post here.
> Now some of you may have a door opened here to see a light penatrating here if you have been following my attempts to save lives here by and through the {Word} or {logos}.
> Lou
>
Friends,
If you are considering being a discussant in this thread, or an interested party tryoing to make a more-informed decision as to either take mind-altering psychiatric drugs or considering a way to be free from the drug that you are taking, I am requesting that you read the following.
Lou
To see this article:
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[Three New Studies Show Psychiatric Drugs Provide]
Posted by childsafety on Aug 17, 2011
Posted by phillipa on October 15, 2012, at 21:14:39
In reply to Re: Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter, posted by schleprock on October 15, 2012, at 20:11:24
I think he won!!!! Phillipa
Posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 10:40:48
In reply to Shove your death 0 meter right up your **ss (nm) » Lou Pilder, posted by Phil on October 14, 2012, at 11:27:47
psychiatric medication often causes cognitive impairment and hostility as well as apathy
there's death and then there's walking death
your brain your choice
Posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 10:44:29
In reply to deathometers are not thermometers » Phil, posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 10:40:48
Posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 11:01:15
In reply to deathometers are not thermometers » Phil, posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 10:40:48
> psychiatric medication often causes cognitive impairment and hostility as well as apathy
>
> there's death and then there's walking death
>
> your brain your choice
>
>obviously I was speaking generally and not to Phil in particular
One's brain one's choice
My brain my choice
etc etc etc
Posted by Phil on October 16, 2012, at 13:01:19
In reply to deathometers are not thermometers » Phil, posted by zazenducke on October 16, 2012, at 10:40:48
Haven't noticed side effects over the last 30 years on meds, thanks for the info.
Hostility? At Lou's post maybe? You don't have to take meds to get angry. The post was one of the worst I've seen here. Is he god? That upset me and it still upsets me.
And yes Z, my brain my choice. I know that and ask you to keep that in mind.
I don't like meds, shrinks, big pharma or little drug stores. But I like them all better than being curled up in bed for two weeks pleading with god to let me die.
Maybe I should take mineral, vitamins, colon cleansing, acupuncture, and herbs because people say these things help them. The odd thing is, I never met one of these people. I have a friend I've known since we were 6 years old. She's is currently trying mineral, vitamin type therapy with her shrink and the other doctors help. Do I say B... don't do it. Nope, I call her everyday and say, chin up, I'm praying for you. I care for you and lets hope this does the trick.
In fact, there are times I pray for everyone with MI that one day there will be a cure or treatments that have the side effects of a vitamin.
I truly believe that I would have never needed pills if I had not been exposed at a very young age to things that no child should witness. After I worked with the best therapist I've ever known, she was the one that introduced me to a psychiatrist.
This road has been hard but it's only made worse when someone tells me I'm wrong and you will pay for it. I've paid quite a lot already. If we met, and I don't even know if you're a man or a woman, doesn't matter. You would have no way to tell if I was sick and on meds. I can talk to anyone, I can make them laugh, and I hope I leave them with the feeling that I respect them. Everyone deserves that even people that try to treat their mental illness with pills. We do the best we know how to do.
Would I tell Michael J Fox that he will get brain damage from taking those meds and he should stop. Of course not because you see the before and after. Why would I say the same to someone with mental illness. Perhaps it's because no one can see it therefore it doesn't exist.
I go to a huge forum that has nothing to do with MI. I wrote my story and posted my picture underneath. The next day I was horrified and embarrassed that I did it. But I logged on and was shocked to tears at the 30 responses and multiple pm's and I'm still getting pm's two months later. A guy gave me his # and email so we talked. He ended the conversation with, Phil I'd rather lose two limbs than have this, my wife won't take 5 minutes to learn and she won't talk to me about it.
I wrote in my blog about it because it hit me hard.
If you can't tell I like to write but I write humor for fun. The last story I wrote I had a friend in NYC and another here in Austin say it's time to get a publisher.
So I don't think I have brain damage, I have heart damage. And that's where the humor comes from. OK, better stop.
Thanks for listening.
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