Posted by Lou Pilder on October 13, 2012, at 6:32:56
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe-death-o-meter » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 12, 2012, at 21:41:32
> > Lou, as someone from a family with a history of mental illness, and someone who has seen the results of brain based mental illness not being adequately treated, does it ever occur to you that if you do manage to frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them? Does it occur to you that someone who is ill enough to take your death-o-meter seriously enough to stop their medications may be ill enough to cause themselves harm off medications? I've seen my relatives who fight taking medication do things like jump off buildings thinking they could fly. I've seen them destroy their lives and their relationships with their families. And I've seen my relatives with similar issues who take their medications lead healthy lives and maintain their relationships.
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> > It's easy enough for me to dismiss hyperbole. There are members of my family for whom such hyperbole would encourage their own desires to go off medications, their own wishes that faith could be enough, and their own fears about people trying to harm them.
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> > If anyone were to go off their medications, and think they could fly, or go off their medications and destroy their relationships with their family, based on posts like this, would you feel any guilt at all?
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> > It's easy to say that you have the way to peace and happiness without medication. Several of my relatives also had that faith in God. A legitimate and good faith that could be extremely beneficial in their lives. But they forgot that God has many ways to help people. As the old story goes...
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> > There was a man sitting on top of a roof with the flood waters rising. A couple of boats came by, but he waved them on saying that God would provide. A helicopter came by and he refused help, saying God would provide. The floodwaters rose and he drowned. He asked God why he hadn't provided, and God answered "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. You refused them."
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> > Medications can be a helicopter for some people, a life raft for others, and for some they can be a weight around the ankle. To make blanket statements about medications causing death is as dangerous as blanket statements about medications curing all. With God's grace, man has the intelligence and resourcefulness to create tools. We need to use them responsibly and wisely. Don't scare people away from a lifeboat, just to warn people of the dangers of unneeded medications.
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> > Moreover, remember YMMV. What works for you may not work for everyone. What works for you may not work for the people around you. Please be respectful of that while trying to alert people of possible dangers.
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> D,
> You wrote,[...does it ever occure to you...frighten someone into going off their needed medications, you may be harming them...?]
> You now, I have been writing here that going off these meds could cause a mind-altered state to compel one to kill themselves.
> Now I do not want poeple here to be mislead into thinking faslsely about me here.
> But what I do want to post about here is how one can have a way out of the situation where they could think that the drugs could kill them and want off of them and know that a withdrawal could happen and suicide ideation could also be part of that. But because of the prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung, those people that would like to know what I know are not supported but denied the opportuity to make up their own mind since they do not have my support and education being allowed to be offered here, which could be an indoctrination by the administration here, for I am prohibited here from posting what has been revealed to me from a Jewish perspective that INHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and lead people to a new life, free from addiction and depression.
> So if one responds, even by being frightened of death from the drugs, to that the drugs could be causing their condition and want a way out, they could know from my posts that there could be a way out, there could be a new life, there could be a new heart, a new spirit and they could sing a new song, a song of joy, a song of life, and leave behind the old things of depression and addiction.
> LouFriends,
You may want to know ow these statistics are obtained by me. There are many sources that are accredited that get their statistics from the FDA and other agencies. I use these and other sources to arrive at my numbers, they are not made up.
Now for those that want to dispute the statistics from the FDA, they can do that with them, not me. For instance, here is one of the statistics that I use to compute the probability of death from a drug.
Notice that the number for death is over 4%. But that is only one statistic that I use. By combining other data, I can come up with the chances of your death from these drugs. And chances are your chances are, could be very good.
Lou
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/effexor/suicidal+ideation
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