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Posted by stan_the_man70 on June 23, 2012, at 19:24:27
Hi i am trying to withdraw from zyprexa
i am having problems
insomnia
intrusive thoughts and scary thoughts
fear anxiety doubt weakness guilt
i am terrified
the anxiety causes me to lose control of my own mind
how did you manage ??I started zyprexa in 2004. along with depakote
then stopped in 2005. But I had to continue because the doctors suggested that it was healthy even though I didnt seem to need it.
since then i tried other drugs such as risperdal, trileptal, lamictal etc thinking they were helping.In 2008 i saw Dr Bloem in trying to permanently stop taking these drugs using ortho molecular techniques.
In 2011 I tried using a personal trainer in trying to stop these drugs. Went psychotic and lost my job and home and now staying with family.
I have tried supplements such as glycine, tryptophan, magnesium, fish oil, greens, multivitamins, etc etc but does not help.
I have now been able to stop the sleeping pills and lamictal. But I can't stop the Zyprexa. Zyprexa is at 0.6 mg but I am not stable on it. I have to take a full pill of 2.5mg every week otherwise I deteriorate. Conditions never improve at 0.6 mg over time... things only seem to go downhill. I just want to be rid of this but I can't stop because it turns into psychosis.
I have read previous posts about how people have had trouble in withdrawing from Zyprexa but have succeeded. Please desperately help.
my email: stan_the_man70@hotmail.com
Posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2012, at 9:47:40
In reply to zyprexa withdrawal attempts, posted by stan_the_man70 on June 23, 2012, at 19:24:27
Is it possible you do better on the zyprexa? What's your baseline like when on it and not trying to withdraw? Phillipa
Posted by stan_the_man70 on June 25, 2012, at 0:26:16
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts » stan_the_man70, posted by Phillipa on June 24, 2012, at 9:47:40
> Is it possible you do better on the zyprexa? What's your baseline like when on it and not trying to withdraw? Phillipa
yea i seem to do better on the zyprexa.
But it causes dullness, lack of emotion, weight gain, loss of memory etc. It somehow seems to change my personality. But I am able to work, read, function in an altered state.But when I try to withdraw there is tremendous anxiety and fear.
Posted by Zyprexa on June 25, 2012, at 8:46:40
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts, posted by stan_the_man70 on June 25, 2012, at 0:26:16
I have the same problems withdrawaling from zyprexa. I concluded it was just my illness coming back. Because I go back to the way I was before zyprexa. It sucks needing to take these meds. But what can you do, unless you want to be psychotic and anxious.
Posted by huxley on June 26, 2012, at 7:28:56
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts, posted by Zyprexa on June 25, 2012, at 8:46:40
I withdrew over a year of tiny tiny dosage reductions. Even at this slow rate I was unable to avoid nasty side effects. It was a horrid experience. Fainting, panic attacks, physical malaise, dereliazation skin and immune system problems.Of course my doctor said it couldn't possibly be the Zyprexa.. it doesnt have a withdrawal syndrome.
Well it was and it does. Like other drugs, it only affects some people. Some can stop it over night without a problem but for people like me or you its dicing with out sanity to reduce the dose.
Withdrawing from zyprexa can induce psychosis in people who have never had it before.
I have mostly recovered.
For you I don't know. What were you like before you went on it?
I'm sorry to say that there was nothing I found which really helped me get off it.
Was just along hard battle.
Posted by stan_the_man70 on June 26, 2012, at 10:01:44
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts, posted by huxley on June 26, 2012, at 7:28:56
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> I withdrew over a year of tiny tiny dosage reductions. Even at this slow rate I was unable to avoid nasty side effects. It was a horrid experience. Fainting, panic attacks, physical malaise, dereliazation skin and immune system problems.
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> Of course my doctor said it couldn't possibly be the Zyprexa.. it doesnt have a withdrawal syndrome.
>
> Well it was and it does. Like other drugs, it only affects some people. Some can stop it over night without a problem but for people like me or you its dicing with out sanity to reduce the dose.
>
> Withdrawing from zyprexa can induce psychosis in people who have never had it before.
>
> I have mostly recovered.
>
> For you I don't know. What were you like before you went on it?
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> I'm sorry to say that there was nothing I found which really helped me get off it.
>
> Was just along hard battle.
>
Hi Huxley, thanks for your message.
I have been reading your prior posts. Appreciate your insight.I started with Zyprexa in 2004 because I had a manic episode with SAMe. I could stop easily then but the doctors suggested that I continue.
I was afraid to discontinue on my own and so I tried ortho molecular therapy. Currently was trying Ayurvedic medicine.
I did read a posting on a website by a Dr who suggested to withdraw gradually from zyprexa to seroquel to haldol and taper off...
Posted by stan_the_man70 on June 28, 2012, at 9:11:55
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts » huxley, posted by stan_the_man70 on June 26, 2012, at 10:01:44
> >
> > I withdrew over a year of tiny tiny dosage reductions. Even at this slow rate I was unable to avoid nasty side effects. It was a horrid experience. Fainting, panic attacks, physical malaise, dereliazation skin and immune system problems.
> >
> > Of course my doctor said it couldn't possibly be the Zyprexa.. it doesnt have a withdrawal syndrome.
> >
> > Well it was and it does. Like other drugs, it only affects some people. Some can stop it over night without a problem but for people like me or you its dicing with out sanity to reduce the dose.
> >
> > Withdrawing from zyprexa can induce psychosis in people who have never had it before.
> >
> > I have mostly recovered.
> >
> > For you I don't know. What were you like before you went on it?
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> > I'm sorry to say that there was nothing I found which really helped me get off it.
> >
> > Was just along hard battle.
> >
> Hi Huxley, thanks for your message.
> I have been reading your prior posts. Appreciate your insight.
>
> I started with Zyprexa in 2004 because I had a manic episode with SAMe. I could stop easily then but the doctors suggested that I continue.
>
> I was afraid to discontinue on my own and so I tried ortho molecular therapy. Currently was trying Ayurvedic medicine.
>
> I did read a posting on a website by a Dr who suggested to withdraw gradually from zyprexa to seroquel to haldol and taper off...
>I was looking at some de addiction centers and websites.
These are for people who were using street drugs and recreational drugs.
They have 3 month courses for withdrawal, etc.
I was wondering if something like that would be effective for Zyprexa withdrawal?
I mean they tie people up and they give them sedative drugs, etc.
But I'm sure if the person will become normal after 3 months.
Posted by huxley on July 2, 2012, at 6:20:20
In reply to Re: zyprexa withdrawal attempts » huxley, posted by stan_the_man70 on June 26, 2012, at 10:01:44
Hi stan,
sorry for the late reply, dont come round these parts to much.
Are you having sleep problems when you stop zyprexa? I guess something like seroquel might help with that.
I don't believe there is a 'substitute' that will stop the withdrawal, or if there is I didn't find one.
When I first started zyprexa, I could quit i quite easily, 6 months after I started I could stop with little effort.
2 years down the track was a very different story.Im sure you have searched the web and found all the ancedotal stories about people coming of zyprexa. There is a good youtube video
of a Scottish guy who does a pretty good job of explaining what it is like.I feel sorry for you, knowing the position you are in.
Good news is that you can get off it, you just need to find out how.
This is how I did it.
I had a 2.5mg pill.It weighed 150mg I believe (but had 2.5mg of zyprexa in it if that makes sense).
I went down a little every night using scales (mg scales you can get on ebay for $20)
I had trouble when I got to about 49mg. From there I had to do it slowly. .1mg here and there.. whatever I could tolerate.
I would shave it off with a knife. Its fidley and these scales are really not very accurate at all.For about 6 months I did this and I got down to about 30mg. That was the hard part. I got off the last 30mg pretty easily.
For another 6 months or so after I stopped I still felt I was getting alot of adverse effects but they got better over time.
Dont panic to much. You don't have to get off it right away. Take your time and be careful.What symptoms are you getting when you stop? everyones seem different.
as far as a rehab center goes, I guess you could try it. I thought of doing a similar thing but never did.
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