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Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 12:05:27
I seriously would like to understand how something as benign as fish oil could cause aggitation. What is it with fish oil? Could be combination of meds with it? I did try for a month three times. And three strikes and you are out. I do take other supplements, and B complex also in the last few years also aggitated me but take B6 200mg and have for years? And that is a high dose? Don't understand? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Solstice on February 25, 2012, at 12:37:48
In reply to Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 12:05:27
Great question! I want to understand this too. I have thought about giving my daughter fish oil. She`s a teen, and her diet is really not very healthy. Nordic Naturals.. the straight oil variety, would be my first choice.. but now I`m wondering...
Solstice
> I seriously would like to understand how something as benign as fish oil could cause aggitation. What is it with fish oil? Could be combination of meds with it? I did try for a month three times. And three strikes and you are out. I do take other supplements, and B complex also in the last few years also aggitated me but take B6 200mg and have for years? And that is a high dose? Don't understand? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 14:27:56
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat, posted by Solstice on February 25, 2012, at 12:37:48
> Great question! I want to understand this too. I have thought about giving my daughter fish oil. She`s a teen, and her diet is really not very healthy. Nordic Naturals.. the straight oil variety, would be my first choice.. but now I`m wondering...
>
> SolsticeFrom what I have read, some people react badly to pure DHA by becoming more depressed. However, pure EPA has been shown to reduce depression. OmegaBrite is the only product I know of that is composed to increase the ratio of EPA/DHA to 7/1. Most other fish oil products have, at most, a 3/2 ratio. DHA makes its way into the brain more readily than EPA and can be derived from conversion of EPA, so the ratio in the brain is skewed towards DHA when compared to blood levels. It is my belief that the less DHA in the fish oil, the better.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20439549
Nordic Naturals Ultimate Omega fish oil contains EPA 650mg and DHA 450mg
OmegaBrite contains 350mg of EPA and 50mg of DHA.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 25, 2012, at 15:31:03
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat, posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 14:27:56
Not related to fish oils (tried 'em; mine went rancid w/o my knowledge and I threw up. sexxxy.), but please, everyone, consider an orthomolecular approach. You can keep your pill(s); just add in some carefully selected, high-dose vitamins. I think the core is 3+ grams vitamin C, an equal amount of niacinamide, a b-50 or b-100, some zinc, and possibly some E and selenium. Sounds like alot, but the stuff is cheap and readily available. I take waaay more, both in terms of dosage of core ingredients and number of supplements, and it seems to help. Still a bit crazy, but its not nearly as intense. Also, no TD or EPS, and I used to get stiff gait after several months on 15mgs+ Abilify. Now, I'm doing fine. No drug-induced depression/dysphoria, either, and my thinking is much more lucid.
Just thought I'd push this on everyone, AGAIN.
Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 20:32:18
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat, posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 14:27:56
Scott exactly what mine is the ratios. But why aggitation and not depression? And seriously does it take a month to develop some gene or something so the oil works? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 25, 2012, at 21:38:36
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat » SLS, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 20:32:18
All I can think of is that maybe its the meds. I read an interview with this one shrink who investigated use of a combination vitamin+mineral supplement in Bipolar I. She said that, when it worked, they often had to reduce doses of the meds and sometimes cut out certain medications. Overall health improved, but the meds worked better, so sometimes patients had to be put on lower doses and/or fewer meds to keep side effects down.
Posted by SLS on February 26, 2012, at 2:33:34
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat » SLS, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 20:32:18
> Scott exactly what mine is the ratios. But why aggitation and not depression? And seriously does it take a month to develop some gene or something so the oil works? Thanks Phillipa
Fish oil can produce manic reactions. Perhaps you are experience more agitation than depression.
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on February 26, 2012, at 6:41:20
In reply to Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat, posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 12:05:27
I think....
Just because it is a commonly accepted belief that fish oil is good for human health, that doesn't mean it is good for every single person. Disease, genetics and diet can influence whether there should be more of the fish oil fats or not.
It could be those fats have been lacking for so long that now the entire system freaks out a sufficient amount becomes available....needs time to adjust.
In studying lyme disease pathogenic organisms can interrupt the metabolic process of the oils, to where the end result is a moderately toxic substance rather than the desired fish oil metabolites.
if it were me I would lower the dose. I mean, I don't want to rule out a potentially helpful supplement because of an immediate adverse reaction. Such a reaction tells me....dose is too high to start with. Need much smaller doses and work higher gradually. Kind of hard to do with capsules, so you would probably have to buy the liquid form. And just for an off the wall example, let's say the bottle says take one tablespoon a day....then with the knowledge that agitation is likely....take 1/4 of a teaspoon instead. See how that goes. After a few days, maybe 1/2 teaspoon. See how that goes for a few days or couple weeks. And go from there. If you are still having troubling stuff from ultra low doses, then that is a pretty good clue your body does not want the stuff.
Posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2012, at 18:43:07
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat » Phillipa, posted by SLS on February 26, 2012, at 2:33:34
Definitely but why still this idiotic rash? travels around. Can rashes be stress related? Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 27, 2012, at 5:47:43
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat » SLS, posted by Phillipa on February 26, 2012, at 18:43:07
> Definitely but why still this idiotic rash? travels around. Can rashes be stress related? Phillipa
I imagine there is a provocation of histamine release with an acute stress or perhaps a compensatory increase in parasympathetic flow.
Strenuous exercise can precipitate rashes.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 27, 2012, at 19:59:51
In reply to Re: Why did The Nordic Naturals Fish Oil Cause Aggitat » Phillipa, posted by SLS on February 27, 2012, at 5:47:43
Claritin was suggested a while back by dermatologist. Would it mix with my meds do anything bad?
I do wish my excercise was stenuous but riding a bike just six miles outside on hills is no where what I used to do. Unfortunately. Phillipa
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