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Posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
Specifically, the side effect where Nardil destroys your bodies ability to regulate your body's temperature and you end up over overheating, and sweating uncontrollably over the most minimal exertion or even slightly humid temperatures (say, above 82 degrees F).
I stopped Nardil, tapered down in about a week or two, (and it's been at least a month or two, and still have terrible insomnia, and the sweating/overheating almost seemed to get worse, and I'm not on any other meds.
Also, the difficult one I hate to even discuss, but is the difficulty achieving an orgasm Nardil caused, and more often inability to do so, but once I quit, imagine 180 degrees the opposite... (I'm male), like being 12 years old again. Even if I was meeting anyone on a dating site, I would refrain from intercourse, for obvious embarrassing reasons. Is this permanent? Erection is not the problem either, if that's what you are thinking. Premature, you know what. I never had a problem with this, even at 14, ever, in my entire life, and I'm 41 now.
I still have yet to see my shrink, appt is still 2 weeks away, feels like an eternity when you're bedridden with severe depression and nothing to do all day, no interests (that's to the depression), and so on. The last thing I need is more reasons to end my life.
I'm thinking of filing a lawsuit against the makers of Nardil. Would any of this stand up in court?
I can't even go on vacation to a warm climate, hence sweat uncontrollably, and heaven forbid get intimate with a woman again. It's ruined my life, or what's left of it.
Posted by bulldog2 on September 28, 2010, at 16:37:13
In reply to Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
> Specifically, the side effect where Nardil destroys your bodies ability to regulate your body's temperature and you end up over overheating, and sweating uncontrollably over the most minimal exertion or even slightly humid temperatures (say, above 82 degrees F).
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> I stopped Nardil, tapered down in about a week or two, (and it's been at least a month or two, and still have terrible insomnia, and the sweating/overheating almost seemed to get worse, and I'm not on any other meds.
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> Also, the difficult one I hate to even discuss, but is the difficulty achieving an orgasm Nardil caused, and more often inability to do so, but once I quit, imagine 180 degrees the opposite... (I'm male), like being 12 years old again. Even if I was meeting anyone on a dating site, I would refrain from intercourse, for obvious embarrassing reasons. Is this permanent? Erection is not the problem either, if that's what you are thinking. Premature, you know what. I never had a problem with this, even at 14, ever, in my entire life, and I'm 41 now.
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> I still have yet to see my shrink, appt is still 2 weeks away, feels like an eternity when you're bedridden with severe depression and nothing to do all day, no interests (that's to the depression), and so on. The last thing I need is more reasons to end my life.
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> I'm thinking of filing a lawsuit against the makers of Nardil. Would any of this stand up in court?
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> I can't even go on vacation to a warm climate, hence sweat uncontrollably, and heaven forbid get intimate with a woman again. It's ruined my life, or what's left of it.
>I don't believe a lawsuit would hold up. Sometimes a class action suit works. I think the sides will subside. Just give your body time to readjust. Good luck.
Posted by Phillipa on September 28, 2010, at 16:42:52
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by bulldog2 on September 28, 2010, at 16:37:13
Might google lawsuits on nardil and see if any pending. There are quite a few on the list of FDA meds. You are sounding seriously desparate any way to move your appointment up? Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on September 28, 2010, at 17:51:07
In reply to Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
>once I quit, imagine 180 degrees the opposite... (I'm male), like being 12 years old again. Even if I was meeting anyone on a dating site, I would refrain from intercourse, for obvious embarrassing reasons. Is this permanent? Erection is not the problem either, if that's what you are thinking. Premature, you know what. I never had a problem with this, even at 14, ever, in my entire life, and I'm 41 now.
That can happen when stopping SSRIs too. It should pass but I expect it will take several more weeks.
Posted by angels78 on September 28, 2010, at 20:39:01
In reply to Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
Sorry to hear. I never got that side effect. Everyone is different perhaps. What is your MG?
Posted by angels78 on September 28, 2010, at 20:40:06
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by bulldog2 on September 28, 2010, at 16:37:13
Damn, I still bust a fat nut on 75 mg.
Posted by gardenergirl on September 28, 2010, at 21:44:27
In reply to Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
In my experience, the excessive sweating never went away, but anorgasmia did.
Good luck.
gg
Posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 10:24:49
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Phillipa on September 28, 2010, at 16:42:52
> Might google lawsuits on nardil and see if any pending. There are quite a few on the list of FDA meds. You are sounding seriously desparate any way to move your appointment up? Phillipa
I tried a dozen times. I don't see it helping anyway. I've pretty much given up, in general. With life, friends, women, everything. Been fighting for so many years, and I give up. You can't change people. I can't make myself "cute", the way women want me to be, and those women, I wouldn't want anyway, as that's ALL they care about (vanity), and NONE of my other qualities. Why would I want that? Who's gonna want to have a relationship with a guy on disability anyway?
Too many failures, all around, again, with people, friends, women, meds, doctors, etc. Just doesn't seem mathematically possible. My youth is gone, and I have only old age to "look forward" too. Blah. No thanks. I'm not even speaking to my "wife". We've hit the nasty stage of our separation, now I won't even speak to her. It's like talking to a child. Seriously. Can't argue with a 40 year old child. It's pointless.
More to say, but I've repeated all this info before in other threads. No sense repeating it. Seen a therapist a couple times recently, and Phd. too, and he was a complete an utter waste of my time. His only suggestion was Acupuncture, only for the chronic headaches and such. I could tell by the tone of his voice he knew, and knew that I knew, he couldn't help me. Pointless.
I need to live at least till the lawyer draws up the wills and the estate planning, and I guess that's it for me. I live in misery, each and every day, with no hope, no future, nothing. That's not a life.
Posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 10:26:14
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by angels78 on September 28, 2010, at 20:39:01
> Sorry to hear. I never got that side effect. Everyone is different perhaps. What is your MG?
I've been on Nardil 3 times now, for months, to a year and a 1/2.
I was on 90, then 75 for a while.
Posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 10:34:08
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by gardenergirl on September 28, 2010, at 21:44:27
> In my experience, the excessive sweating never went away, but anorgasmia did.
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> Good luck.
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> ggoh god. That's horrible news. Absolutely horrible. Sometimes this office I'm in gets too warm from the computer, and I start sweating like crazy, and have to take my shirt off and have fans going. I change shirts 3 times a day.
I can't even go in certain rooms of the house for more than 5 minutes if they are stuffy at all, without bringing a fan in with me, a large one. I can't even drink hot liquids, coffee, soup, without it making my whole body sweat. It's hell.
I can't live with JUST THAT side effect, let alone the depression and everything else going on in my life. I had this "feeling" that it wasn't going to go away. Like tardive dyskinesia (which did go away).. I got it (well, dyskinesia, from most of the atypical anti-psychotics I tried.
My kids are going to be devastated, but I can't live like this. I need to make my goodbye videos to the kids. Maybe someday they will understand.
Posted by conundrum on September 29, 2010, at 12:59:46
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 10:34:08
My grandmom was on nardil and she had profuse sweating from just slowly walking in the summer time. She had to have surgery because of cancer, and was off the medication for at least 3 months before she could even walk again. Once she was able to walked she stopped sweating like that. I didn't know if it was the nardil or the cigarette smoking. After reading about you're situation I think it might be from the nardil. Nardil can cause edema, a build up of fluid in the body. Perhaps the sweating is an attempt to remove that liquid.
Try parnate, it is supposed to have less side effects than nardil.
Fedhttp://www.psychotropical.com/maois_full.shtml
"Phenelzine(nardil):- marked weight gain, oedema and sedation B6 deficiency are common,
tranylcypromine(parnate):- No weight gain, both sedation and oedema much less frequent."Don't give up on your kids. I know someone whose father committed suicide. Last time I saw her she was pre-gaming for a concert snorting nitrous oxide. Focus on loving your children not some new woman.
Like I said once my grandmom was able to walk again 3 months later the sweating was gone, and she didn't have it all summer and she took Nardil for, I wanna say, 30 years. In case you are wondering, the sweating happened way before the cancer started to develop.
Posted by conundrum on September 29, 2010, at 13:00:31
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by conundrum on September 29, 2010, at 12:59:46
http://www.psychotropical.com/maois_full.shtml
mesed up the url in the last thread.
Posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 16:00:38
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by conundrum on September 29, 2010, at 12:59:46
I tried pretty much everything. Been there, done that. Parnate not only was intolerable, side-effect wise, but did nothing for my depression.
My kids don't fill the gap that being loved by an adult women, and being in love with her would fill. I love my children, and I've hung around 10 years for them, getting worse, year after year. At what point is my suffering too much? I don't feel like I'm giving up on them at all. I sick of suffering all day long, and all night long (I can barely sleep, I've tried everything for that too), nothing to look forward to, no hopes, no dreams.. well, plenty of dreams, that's how I survive... living in a dream world is not living. I can't even spend time with the kids anymore. My life has no meaning. There's a point where your suffering gets great enough that just being "alive" so your kids have a "living father" that's in bed all day, is rather pointless. They will survive. I'd done everything I can. I can't do it anymore.
I already feel like I'm starting to "lose it". Losing control of myself. Never happened before. I'm NOT going back to the "hospital". They never helped me there, just made me feel like a prisoner, helpless, like a child. Never again. I'll kill people before they drag me back to that hell.
Now I can understand where those people who talk to themselves on the street come from. I know they didn't just "start off" like that in a day's time. I won't be this drooling guy in a strait jacket my children are afraid to visit, just so I'll be "alive" "for them". No thanks.> My grandmom was on nardil and she had profuse sweating from just slowly walking in the summer time. She had to have surgery because of cancer, and was off the medication for at least 3 months before she could even walk again. Once she was able to walked she stopped sweating like that. I didn't know if it was the nardil or the cigarette smoking. After reading about you're situation I think it might be from the nardil. Nardil can cause edema, a build up of fluid in the body. Perhaps the sweating is an attempt to remove that liquid.
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> Try parnate, it is supposed to have less side effects than nardil.
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> Fedhttp://www.psychotropical.com/maois_full.shtml
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> "Phenelzine(nardil):- marked weight gain, oedema and sedation B6 deficiency are common,
> tranylcypromine(parnate):- No weight gain, both sedation and oedema much less frequent."
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> Don't give up on your kids. I know someone whose father committed suicide. Last time I saw her she was pre-gaming for a concert snorting nitrous oxide. Focus on loving your children not some new woman.
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> Like I said once my grandmom was able to walk again 3 months later the sweating was gone, and she didn't have it all summer and she took Nardil for, I wanna say, 30 years. In case you are wondering, the sweating happened way before the cancer started to develop.
Posted by Phillipa on September 29, 2010, at 19:17:24
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 16:00:38
Enigma you mention office so you are still functioning and able to work so There is hope and new meds come out each day. Phillipa
Posted by Conundrum on September 30, 2010, at 8:41:52
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 16:00:38
Was nardil helping at all? Did you quit because of the sweating and sexual dysfunction.
Also I mentioned the sexual dysfunction goes away with time. You seemed to have ignored this.
Have you ever taking meditation classes? It really helps for some, even with severe depression.
Posted by gardenergirl on September 30, 2010, at 11:59:12
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 10:34:08
My sweating doesn't seem to be as bad as yours, so maybe there's something else going on with your system? What does your doc say about it?
Also, they're using things like botox injections to help with excessive sweating these days. Perhaps there is a solution for you.
Please don't give up!
gg
Posted by Chris O on September 30, 2010, at 12:24:52
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 29, 2010, at 16:00:38
Hang in there, Enigma. It sounds like you are going through some type of withdrawal crisis. Give it some time. I think that in time, you will get better.
On another note, although I have not taken Nardil, I can totally relate to you on the "no hopes, no dreams, well, plenty of dreams, that's how I survive" thing. I am a 43-year-old man, no children, but married, barely making it, feel like I would be homeless many times without my wife. I don't sleep more than an hour at a time at night, one 75mg Paxil, live with constant anxiety, very physicalized, painful, debilitating. It's so irritating to me that I can describe my anxiety so well, but can do nothing to alleviate it. Of course, there is always the next drug, but I feel like I am going to drugs with worse and worse side-effects and only minor benefits.
Anyway, not that this was the most hopeful post, but I hope you feel better soon. Perhaps in a few months you will look back on this time with a different perspective.
Chris
Posted by Maxime on October 5, 2010, at 19:43:21
In reply to Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on September 28, 2010, at 16:05:18
I am on Parnate and I have the same side effect ... overheating. It's really hard to handle in the summer. It has yet to go away for me and I think it's here to stay. :-( When I was on Parnate from 2002-2004 I had the same problem.
Posted by Enigma on October 5, 2010, at 20:25:59
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by Maxime on October 5, 2010, at 19:43:21
> I am on Parnate and I have the same side effect ... overheating. It's really hard to handle in the summer. It has yet to go away for me and I think it's here to stay. :-( When I was on Parnate from 2002-2004 I had the same problem.
In one vein I just don't feel like I can exist in "this condition" for any significant length of time.. like say, another month, meaning, not the sweating, but the severe depression, or even 2 more weeks. So then I think, who cares about this side-effect..
Then I think, what if I make it until my DBS study, and they accept me, and it actually works? Then how am I going to live with it?
1) If I drink a cup of coffee, in cold weather or not, I overheat and sweat.
2) If I cover up "too much" (whatever that means), at night, (because I'm cold, so I cover up, of course), I overheat later on and soak my clothes..and the bed.. Which, is horrible in the fall and winter, as then I then freeze, later, and the sweat becomes a blanket of cold water on me, and I end up catching a cold or the flu. I got up twice last night and had to change my t-shirt, and pj top, and the room temp is 68 degrees, 0% humidity. Many nights are like this for me. This hasn't changed in the 1.5 years I've been on Nardil (that's my last run - I've been on it twice before, and always end up quitting due to the side effects)..
3) I can't go outside and do *anything* if it's humid, besides swim, of course.
4) I can't go to a hot climate, at all.. no vacations in Bermuda, Florida, etc, etc, etc. I wouldn't be able to tolerate it at all. If it's dry heat, I can survive, a bit, outside, but not for long. Any humidity, and I'm sweating off shirt after shirt. Almost my entire body sweats. Mostly my upper body though.
5) I need fans or A/C on all the time, or I overheat, in the summertime.No doctor I've ever been to has even heard of this side effect. That's how Brilliant they are in New Hampshire.
That's enough steps.. I'm on Selegeline now, full dose, and it's not doing a damn thing for my depression, but since my depression is more environmental now, and I'm not sure to what degree it is "chemically" (like being depressed for no reason at all - life is perfect, but still miserable).. So the drugs, I can't imagine, are not going to do me any good.
I'm NEVER going back on Nardil. I see my shrink tomorrow, finally, after a month of suicidal hell... of course I'm not going to tell him that, or anyone else that can put me into a hospital against my will. *here I go on a tangent*
I will NEVER go back there. I'd rather be in prison. At least in prison, there won't be a camera on me 24/7, which to me, and I don't care if I'm suicidal or not.. I'm not going to kill myself IN a hospital...It's an invasion of privacy thing with me, and it would not surprised me at all, that they have hidden camera's in the showers too. Of course, I'm sure that's a very closely guarded secret. I don't even care if it was illegal, I'm sure if you were suicidal, they could get away with it somehow. I trust no one. I'd go on about why being locked down in a psych ward is HELL (for me), but some people don't seem to mind it. I do. Being treated like baby, or a retard, offends the living shit out of me. At dinner, the patients were talking about how they cut themselves, etc, and they were monitoring our conversation, and a nurse came in and said we can't talk about that. Uhm, F.U., I'm a grown adult, depressed, but still a grown adult, I'll talk about whatever the HELL I want to talk about, thank you very much. Also, it didn't help me, either time I was there. Not one bit. It did more damage. I cannot tolerate losing my "freedom", in any form.No way. I'll never go back there. I was only there for 3 days..and I was dying, (no pun intended) to get out. My PCP today "threatened" to call an ambulance on me, so I lied, of course, and said I'm not suicidal. I'm not stupid. If he did it anyway, well, he'd then be taking his life into, well, my hands. I'd sooner kill him, then kill myself, before I go back there. Yeah, you read that right. If anyone tried to send me back there, they are going to get hurt. Let's just leave it at that.
Selly seems to have the same side-effect, but even if I wasn't on it, I believe I'd still be overheating, and I've been off Nardil for, I dunno.. 2 months, almost? Maybe 1.5.. Hard to say. Time moves at a snails pace for me. No job, no interests in anything. No friends, no girlfriend, no chance of getting either. I gave up on that. I talk to TWO people on the planet, via email, that's it. No family, nothing. Why am I still typing again? You've all heard this before from me..
Gotta go..
(not really)
Posted by emmanuel98 on October 6, 2010, at 19:24:44
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by Enigma on October 5, 2010, at 20:25:59
Didn't you say you had children, Enigma? Do you talk to them? Participate in their care? How old are they?
Posted by Enigma on October 7, 2010, at 10:07:58
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by Phillipa on September 29, 2010, at 19:17:24
> Enigma you mention office so you are still functioning and able to work so There is hope and new meds come out each day. Phillipa
No, I haven't been able to work in years. I barely can find <anything> to do with myself (that I'm interested in doing), just to get through each day.
I'm too emotional now anyway. I start choking up (anywhere) if I think about something sad, and oddly enough, if someone is "nice" to me. You would think it would be the other way around... I used to jerks, a-holes, etc., but nice people are rare, and for some reason it makes me sad, especially if it's a nurse or doctor asking feel how I'm feeling and I have to tell them. I can barely get the words out. I'm a mess.
My office is just a 4th bedroom in my house where my parrots are, my Joe Weider Crossbow (like a bow-flex) that I haven't even touches in ages, and my computer setup, and mist packrat junk.
Posted by Enigma on October 7, 2010, at 10:14:33
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by Conundrum on September 30, 2010, at 8:41:52
> Was nardil helping at all? Did you quit because of the sweating and sexual dysfunction.
>
> Also I mentioned the sexual dysfunction goes away with time. You seemed to have ignored this.
>
> Have you ever taking meditation classes? It really helps for some, even with severe depression.The side-effects aren't the same for everyone. I took Nardil 3 times in my life. This last time was the longest. The sexual dysfunction (which hardly matters as I don't even talk to women, let alone, do anything else with them), never went away, even after a year and a 1/2.
I quit mostly because the medication used to keep the suicidal thoughts at bay, and not much more than that, but stopped working for me. So, I tapered off, and quit. I won't go back on it again.
I can't meditate, or do anything even remotely like that. I'm still bi-polar, at least my mania/hypo-mania returned. I can't relax, or put myself in a state when I can slow my thoughts down. I second I close my eyes, 8000 thoughts go flying through my head. My version of meditation is to lay down, and daydream, and if I talk to myself, I can stay focused (for a little bit anyway) on one daydream/fantasy, etc. It doesn't help me at all, because all I dream about is Sarah (my soul-mate that got away), whether I want to or not. She's kinda of "all I have", and she's not even real, well, not anymore.
Posted by Enigma on October 7, 2010, at 10:39:59
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away??, posted by emmanuel98 on October 6, 2010, at 19:24:44
> Didn't you say you had children, Enigma? Do you talk to them? Participate in their care? How old are they?
I don't really like talking about this subject, because without knowing "exactly" what I'm going through, people can judge me too easily, call me selfish, etc..
I have 3 children, 5, 10, and 12. I used to be more involved with their life, now I barely talk to them, as I'm depressed almost ever waking moment of the day. I just hide in my office (my computer room), and try to kill time on the computer. Even that's almost impossible to do. Lot's of the time, I find myself just staring into space, dreaming of things I can't have, or used to have, that made me happy.. things I'm not too old for now, but things you need other people to do with, and those people are <gone>.
They don't do anything 'extra-curricular', which is good I guess, because I'm not sure if I would have the strength to go.
I, and you'll hate me for saying this, don't even enjoy my own company, let alone theirs, (*anymore*). I took them out shopping the other day, and was miserable, my chronic headache was in high gear, and it was a nightmare. My 10 year old has ADHD and my wife didn't warn me or tell me he was off his meds for two days. it was like having 2 five year olds.. they didn't listen, no matter what I did, and drove me crazy (more crazy, I guess). I try to talk to my oldest child about my condition, and she's almost 13 now, so she can try to understand my behavior. Talking to the 10 year old is like talking to a wall. He doesn't listen, and it's almost impossible to get anything across to him. My 5 year old actually understands more about what I'm going through and he does.
They are the ONLY reason I stay alive. Been fighting for them for 8 years now. Would have checked out back then if they didn't exist. I know what it would do to them if I committed suicide, both mentally, with other kids possibly giving them shit about it, and I'm their only income right now (disability) My wife, is useless when it comes to earning money. She's trying for these menial pathetic jobs, but I guess I can't make her "smarter" or get a new degree, so it's all she can do. She just plain doesn't want to go back to school for other stuff, and honestly, she's not that bright, more reason why I don't want to be around her (and made that horrible decision to marry her)
She's been trying to get a job for a while, but needs something part time because I'm not well enough half the time just to see that the kids get on the bus. She had a job a few weeks ago, but already got let go because she couldn't pick up their "phone system", or whatever, quickly enough. I'm so proud.
I really wish she would find another man that could take care of the family financially, like I had done before I got really sick, and replace me as much as possible. Then I could finally be free. The guy she is seeing right now, does not seem like that man, and she's honestly not trying hard enough to replace me, despite what I've told her (about how I could just disappear at ANY time, given how much pain I'm in), and she doesn't seem to care, or take it seriously enough. Again, I can't make her want a new husband. She needs to put the kids first and I could care less if she even had to marry someone for the money. She's just not pulling her weight. My parent's warned me about marrying someone without a career (a real career - that actually earns real money, not a walmart cashier), but I didn't listen.
Anyway, I don't think anyone *really* wants to kill themselves. They just want to stop mindless, needless, suffering. I've been "here" for a while now.. still amazed I find some way to survive each day.
I went to my first new shrink appt in a while, and he had NOTHING for me. 0.
He said, "well, I wish I could help you, but it seems like you've already tried and thought of everything that I would suggest already". Funny, that's what the last one said.No shit. I knew that going there. I only needed a couple scripts from him, that my ex-pcp (asshole) wouldn't give them to me.
Posted by Maxime on October 8, 2010, at 21:18:56
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Enigma, posted by Phillipa on September 29, 2010, at 19:17:24
> Enigma you mention office so you are still functioning and able to work so There is hope and new meds come out each day. Phillipa
Each day? Reality check! There has not been a new med in a while. And didn't someone post that nothing is coming down the pipeline any time soon in the way of psych meds?
Posted by Enigma on October 10, 2010, at 16:34:23
In reply to Re: Nardil side effects ever go away?? » Phillipa, posted by Maxime on October 8, 2010, at 21:18:56
> > Enigma you mention office so you are still functioning and able to work so There is hope and new meds come out each day. Phillipa
>
> Each day? Reality check! There has not been a new med in a while. And didn't someone post that nothing is coming down the pipeline any time soon in the way of psych meds?Yeah, I figured that, or the doc I just saw might have mentioned something, then again, maybe not. He seemed convinced that he couldn't help me before I stepped into his office, making me wait a month and 1/2 for the appt, and he probably knew that back then. Thanks doc!
Sadly, he mentioned some anti-mania drugs I have not tried, but didn't want to change anything right now. Why the HELL did I go see him then? When WOULD be a good time to change something? I told him Selegeline wasn't doing anything. Not even 1% (like I could even feel that).
I don't want to die. I want this bombardment of pain to stop. Emotional pain. There's NO escape from it. It's constant. I don't even get a break from it. Even my dreams are "disturbing", and used to be like a vacation from my depression, and now they "suck" too.
It's sad, I went on a depression chat channel and there were most 20-something's on there. Some of them said they wanted to commit suicide. It's not for me to decide each person's threshold to emotional pain, but OMG, these people want to die because of a bad breakup, and other such things. Yeah, I don't care if I sound like a jerk. They want to DIE over that? Imagine if they had 1/100th of the life I had? at 21? Damn.. go get a new girlfriend and get over it. Christ. At least you haven't lost your career, friends, wife, youth, all your interests, the only soul-mate you ever found, and about 100 other things I could list. Unreal. No wonder why "normal" people call us "weak".
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