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Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 15:00:30
I'm taking wellbutrin and i'm trying to give it an effect to make it work, yet do i start 450mg? Let me explain....
I went to work orientation last night, and I need to ask something, what is a feeling of "draining", start craving food, [sweets] and become very thirsty and I feel i'm going to faint, I become very weak.
I get disoriented during the day, and start craving something that has sugar.
I don't know when I will go back on stimulants [dexedrine spansules] but It may be many years so I need to think of something to help with functioning better instead of just "believing" that I'll be put back on the correct medication. My last doctor was fine with what I was taking, there is just a person that does not like me taking stimulants, [live with].
Is there anything outthere that is similar to Wellbutrin that is a dopamine reptake inhibitor, not Ritilin, Like Survector or something, if anything please help on this.
Also I have a question about these "episodes" of hungryness and thirst, and then disorientation comes.
Posted by bleauberry on October 24, 2009, at 20:31:49
In reply to Help on this..., posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 15:00:30
Could be several things...
Blood sugar instability. You could get a testing meter and supplies (WalMart cheapest) and start taking blood drop readings before meals, after meals, especially during times of your symptoms, just to see if something unusual is going on...rule it in or rule it out. Do this everyday for a week or two and keep a log of your readings.
Buy some caprylic acid (a supplement made from coconut) or grapefruit seed extract or pau d'arco or oil of oregano. Whichever you buy, go right straight to a standard or high dose. See what happens. If your symptoms get a lot worse beginning the 3rd to 5th day and/or you feel flu-like you likely have a significant Candida overgrowth problem, and/or another unsuspected infection. The sugar cravings and your other symptoms are just so hallmark of this that it stood out as a very obvious possibility. Why get worse? That is called a Herxheimer reaction...your body flooded with more toxins than it can quickly expel from the dead and dying body parts of pathogens, most likely yeast/fungi/candida from the description of your symptoms. Easily treated with Diflucan or those herbs. Unfortunately, that Herx is an unavoidable stepping stone on the way to feeling better. No matter how much we wish it didn't happen, it does not feel good to have millions of dead body parts in us. Once they are gone, clear sailing.
The other test is more expensive and requires an integrative or alternative MD or naturopath, which is the Adrenal STress Index test to see what your cortisol is doing. Adrenal fatigue can look like what you describe. It's a saliva sample test taken 4 times throughout a 24 hour period.
Maybe you are allergic to something you commonly eat? I wouldn't suspect it strongly, but still it is worth keeping a log of what you eat and drink, and when, to see if there is a pattern. Gluten sensitivity and dairy sensitivity is more common than people think it is. You can also do the elimination diet to see for sure. Do not eat anything with wheat, barley, oats, rye, or barley malt ingredient, for a week. Eat a bunch of rice things instead. See if the symptoms improve, or if they come back with a vengeance once you start eating those things again. Do the same the next week with dairy products.
As for the stimulating things, you already mentioned amisulpride...low dose 25mg - 50mg. Tyrosine supplements and/or dlpa supplements. Tyrsosine 150mg to 500mg once to twice a day on empty stomach. Probably the premier substance I know of to fit what you are looking for is Rhodiola Rosea. Siberian Ginseng can be good for your symptoms also, but it needs to be a potent tincture form, not the pills, and the only one I know of that is of equal or stronger potency than the ones in Russian studies is made by HerbPharm. Of anything I can think of, I would place my bets on Rhodiola. It has to be a good standardized brand, like Ameriden, or Mind Body Spirit.
Something is causing your symptoms. So I would approach this from two angles. One, treat the symptoms now for improved quality of life. Two, do some detective work to find out what is causing them so you can intervene.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 22:19:58
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by bleauberry on October 24, 2009, at 20:31:49
I take Zyprexa and that has increased body weight, so i've increased weight gain, and hunger. I don't know if I'm diabetic, it's just these "faint" periods. There is someone in my family that had kidney problems, yet I don't know if this is the case, it may be because it's thought blood family connections.
I've got overweight, yet i'm running it off.
Adrenal fatigue you mentioned can be the case, yet...I don't know if that could be totally it, I know that i get pains in the abdominal area...
Amisulpride....I looked it up it's an antipsychotic that has some antidepressant properties, prevent's dopamine from transmitting, or over dopamine flow really I think it's my kidney's if it's dead things that have not been processed. I'm scared of alot of things, I keep thinking that some good will come, the correct medication was taken off, because it was seen as a dependence [dexedrine], yet now things have got worse.
Herxheimer....is this linked to kidney diease? I'll look it up.I'm going to have to go for a lab test, i hate testing my blood though a needle...yuk!
Posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 22:41:50
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 22:19:58
RJ bloodwork is important I feel. Love Phillipa
Posted by Zyprexa on October 25, 2009, at 11:36:00
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 22:19:58
Its probably the wellbutrin that is giving the fainting spell. Also they make you hungry. In which case I would not try going up on the wellbutrin, it will just get worse. Maybe if you space out the dose of wellbutrin it won't be as bad. Also brand name wellbtutrin is worse for fainting spells that the generic.
Posted by Rosy Crucifiction on October 25, 2009, at 11:49:00
In reply to Help on this..., posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 24, 2009, at 15:00:30
Sounds like blood sugar to me. Have you had blood work done recently? You might want to get this checked out.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 14:14:35
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by Rosy Crucifiction on October 25, 2009, at 11:49:00
Wellbutrin does cause some anxiety, and I have to constantly be on the edge on it, yet what i'm trying to come to is something that is going to replicate a psychostimulant because my mom, and the doctor don't agree on stimulants which is the most hard thing to function without. Alot of people see it as "dependence" I think it's just it's effective in that manner, it stimulates the mind [dexamphetamine spansules].Just wait for the day to at least be put back on a psychostimulant.
Wellbutrin in 2004 caused some feelike siezures, "numbness" yet i felt all this "electricity overload".
I looked it up...
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/split/Bupropions-metabolism.htmlI think Wellbutrin increases anxiety a bit more than activity if you a high strung person, with anxiety like me.
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Thanks for the info!
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 14:16:20
In reply to Re: Help on this... » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Phillipa on October 24, 2009, at 22:41:50
ugh! i hate that knowing of going in, yet a lab test, bluebarry was saying do on my own, and write it down, maybe blood pressure, ugh man do i have to take my own blood to test. This may be intersting on the results.
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 14:23:13
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by Rosy Crucifiction on October 25, 2009, at 11:49:00
Lab test is needed to be done. Have to make an appointment.
Thanks
Wellbutrin is less effective thing compared to Rililin, yet increased intrest in things, yet not concentration "enhancement" as with math, It will but the effect is not noticable.
I took Vyvanse, that medication stayed in my system too long, spansules where the thing that work'd. Just have to believe that someday, I will have control, and I will have self-control, because i've already been thought a punishment, I just don't know when i'll be on what works.
Thanks for you post..
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 17:42:38
In reply to Re: Help on this..., posted by bleauberry on October 24, 2009, at 20:31:49
you know those energy drinks, i would drink like a red bull or a monster, then exhaustion and "hunger" would start about 4 hour, this didnt happen with stimulant's I think it's because they put so much "sugar" in those. Yet, i thought "low" blood sugar is what may be it, like you drink orange juice, or candy and it raises it level's back.
caprylic acid...alright
I'm saving this post because it is indepth,
Posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2009, at 19:09:06
In reply to phillipa, posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 14:16:20
RJ you need a prescription for blood work and a phlebotomist a person trained to draw blood. Nurses can do this also. Phillipa
Posted by rjlockhart04-08 on October 25, 2009, at 21:50:36
In reply to Re: phillipa » rjlockhart04-08, posted by Phillipa on October 25, 2009, at 19:09:06
what is exactly.. is amisulpride, it looks intresting yet, what is it called? I may ask the doctor. Yet that's not the way you usally get treatment, i looked it up and it decreases dopamine transmission, yet that could be not the best with wellbutrin....i take Zyprexa right now.
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