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Posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
It's been sometime since I have posted (I can't believe I still remember my password!)....recently I was googling Nardil, looking for further anecdotes, and up popped 'ace' in the results. Specifically on SocialAnxietysupport.com forum
Some people who were on this Social Anxiety Forum site mentioned my experience with Nardil and referred to the probable hypomania I may have/may still experience as a side-effect.
I am still ambivalent as to whether such hypomania, (I would rather a 'healthy euphoria'), should be referred to as a side-effect or pronounced therapeutic effect.
::::: When I felt this euphoria, I did not engage in any behaviour which was 'ego-dystonic'. Rather, the behaviour, which I do deem as eccentric, manifested certain (pre-morbid) desires to dress a certain way, approach certain people which i found threatening etc etc, before institution of Nardil Therapy.
In other words, before I took Nardil I felt extreme inhibition and anxiety to even consider doing such things.
Therefore, I feel Nardil allowed me to express those creative parts of myself- indeed, to 'be myself', without the side-effect of incapacitating anxiety.To this day I cannot say enough positive things about this medication. I have recently gone down to very low doses- sometimes 15mg day.
I do often feel strong depressive feelings which terminate upon Nardil reinstituted at a higher dose.In my opinion it should be a first-line treatment for TRD and many anxiety disorders.
I love you all!
Ace:)
PS= sorry for being so serious in this post, he he!
Posted by SLS on June 11, 2009, at 5:30:31
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
A certain minority of absolutely mentally healthy people are going to have high energy, high creativity, strong egos, profound optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, absolute spontaneity, etc. = eccentricities? Perhaps you are just being who you are.
- Scott> It's been sometime since I have posted (I can't believe I still remember my password!)....recently I was googling Nardil, looking for further anecdotes, and up popped 'ace' in the results. Specifically on SocialAnxietysupport.com forum
>
> Some people who were on this Social Anxiety Forum site mentioned my experience with Nardil and referred to the probable hypomania I may have/may still experience as a side-effect.
>
> I am still ambivalent as to whether such hypomania, (I would rather a 'healthy euphoria'), should be referred to as a side-effect or pronounced therapeutic effect.
>
> ::::: When I felt this euphoria, I did not engage in any behaviour which was 'ego-dystonic'. Rather, the behaviour, which I do deem as eccentric, manifested certain (pre-morbid) desires to dress a certain way, approach certain people which i found threatening etc etc, before institution of Nardil Therapy.
> In other words, before I took Nardil I felt extreme inhibition and anxiety to even consider doing such things.
> Therefore, I feel Nardil allowed me to express those creative parts of myself- indeed, to 'be myself', without the side-effect of incapacitating anxiety.
>
> To this day I cannot say enough positive things about this medication. I have recently gone down to very low doses- sometimes 15mg day.
> I do often feel strong depressive feelings which terminate upon Nardil reinstituted at a higher dose.
>
> In my opinion it should be a first-line treatment for TRD and many anxiety disorders.
>
> I love you all!
>
> Ace:)
>
> PS= sorry for being so serious in this post, he he!
>
>
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 11, 2009, at 6:31:42
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
> It's been sometime since I have posted (I can't believe I still remember my password!)....recently I was googling Nardil, looking for further anecdotes, and up popped 'ace' in the results. Specifically on SocialAnxietysupport.com forum
>
> Some people who were on this Social Anxiety Forum site mentioned my experience with Nardil and referred to the probable hypomania I may have/may still experience as a side-effect.
>
> I am still ambivalent as to whether such hypomania, (I would rather a 'healthy euphoria'), should be referred to as a side-effect or pronounced therapeutic effect.
>
> ::::: When I felt this euphoria, I did not engage in any behaviour which was 'ego-dystonic'. Rather, the behaviour, which I do deem as eccentric, manifested certain (pre-morbid) desires to dress a certain way, approach certain people which i found threatening etc etc, before institution of Nardil Therapy.
> In other words, before I took Nardil I felt extreme inhibition and anxiety to even consider doing such things.
> Therefore, I feel Nardil allowed me to express those creative parts of myself- indeed, to 'be myself', without the side-effect of incapacitating anxiety.
>
> To this day I cannot say enough positive things about this medication. I have recently gone down to very low doses- sometimes 15mg day.
> I do often feel strong depressive feelings which terminate upon Nardil reinstituted at a higher dose.
>
> In my opinion it should be a first-line treatment for TRD and many anxiety disorders.
>
> I love you all!
>
> Ace:)
>
> PS= sorry for being so serious in this post, he he!
>
>What's TRD?
Posted by SLS on June 11, 2009, at 7:06:06
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 11, 2009, at 6:31:42
Hi.
TRD = Treatment Resistant Depression
There are several informal definitions floating around as to exactly what qualifies as TRD. Some say it is having failed 3 trials of antidepressants. Others say that these medications have to be from different classes of drugs. Some even stipulate that it can even be as few as 2 failed trials. Ridiculous.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on June 11, 2009, at 12:42:57
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
Ace still the King???? Still persuing other careers? Wondered where you were and what you were doing. Love Phillipa
Posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 21:12:24
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » ace, posted by SLS on June 11, 2009, at 5:30:31
> A certain minority of absolutely mentally healthy people are going to have high energy, high creativity, strong egos, profound optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, absolute spontaneity, etc. = eccentricities? Perhaps you are just being who you are.
>
>
> - ScottHey Scott,
I am "absolutely mentally healthy"? or are you contrasting me with such people?
Did my posts convey to you a spirit of "high energy, high creativity, strong egos, profound optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, absolute spontaneity"?!
Sorry, I am not sure I interpreted your post correctly, and I am very tired!
This issue of 'being yourself'...
Even when we act in ways which are antithetical to the way we feel, believe, etc etc about something, we are still very much being ourselves, I feel.
We are being oursleves by not acting in congruence with our true, authentic desires. We are being ourselves by not being ourselves!
This troubles me sometimes, although I am not sure if my OCD symptomatology is coming into play here.....
Hope all is going well for you mate,
Ace
Posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 21:28:16
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » ace, posted by Phillipa on June 11, 2009, at 12:42:57
> Ace still the King???? Still persuing other careers? Wondered where you were and what you were doing. Love Phillipa
Hey Phillipa, how are you?
Still very much a fan of Nardil, although I am concerned now that some of my prior posts on this site were misconstrued....and I can understand why some people misconstrued them!
No, still on the same career path, at times now I wonder how I could have contemplated anything else.
There is problems but. Like the Pharmaceutical companies buying out psychiatry!
Let me know how you are, God Bless!
Ace
Posted by Phillipa on June 11, 2009, at 21:32:08
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » Phillipa, posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 21:28:16
Ace you're my King don't think your posts were being misconstrued. I'm getting older how long til graduate? Love as always Jan/Phillipa never can send you info light always off and no idea if mail address the same. Well you know how to get me.
Posted by tepi on June 11, 2009, at 21:47:39
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
ey ace !! I thougth you were never gonna returnIm still on Nardil 75mg ! aiming for 90 mg !
I hope you are ok my friend
Posted by SLS on June 12, 2009, at 4:57:22
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » SLS, posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 21:12:24
> > A certain minority of absolutely mentally healthy people are going to have high energy, high creativity, strong egos, profound optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, absolute spontaneity, etc. = eccentricities? Perhaps you are just being who you are.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Hey Scott,
>
> I am "absolutely mentally healthy"? or are you contrasting me with such people?Neither.
> Did my posts convey to you a spirit of "high energy, high creativity, strong egos, profound optimism, entrepreneurial spirit, absolute spontaneity"?!Some of that, yes.
> Sorry, I am not sure I interpreted your post correctly, and I am very tired!> This issue of 'being yourself'...
> Even when we...
Let's just stick with *you*.
> ...act in ways which are antithetical to the way we feel, believe, etc etc about something, we are still very much being ourselves, I feel.
For a very long time, I struggled very hard to sculpt my inside to look like the way I thought the people around me were when looking at their outside. I was not true to the me that was already there.
> We are being oursleves by not acting in congruence with our true, authentic desires. We are being ourselves by not being ourselves!
That seems to be more of a philosophical stretch than a phenomenological truth.
> This troubles me sometimes,
Why? In what way?
> although I am not sure if my OCD symptomatology is coming into play here.....
> Hope all is going well for you mate,
I've hit some low spots, but generally, I have been okay. Thanks.
By the way, the things I said in my previous post were meant to be a hypothetical, which if applied to you, would have been a most flattering one
- Scott
Posted by bulldog2 on June 13, 2009, at 14:19:33
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
> It's been sometime since I have posted (I can't believe I still remember my password!)....recently I was googling Nardil, looking for further anecdotes, and up popped 'ace' in the results. Specifically on SocialAnxietysupport.com forum
>
> Some people who were on this Social Anxiety Forum site mentioned my experience with Nardil and referred to the probable hypomania I may have/may still experience as a side-effect.
>
> I am still ambivalent as to whether such hypomania, (I would rather a 'healthy euphoria'), should be referred to as a side-effect or pronounced therapeutic effect.
>
> ::::: When I felt this euphoria, I did not engage in any behaviour which was 'ego-dystonic'. Rather, the behaviour, which I do deem as eccentric, manifested certain (pre-morbid) desires to dress a certain way, approach certain people which i found threatening etc etc, before institution of Nardil Therapy.
> In other words, before I took Nardil I felt extreme inhibition and anxiety to even consider doing such things.
> Therefore, I feel Nardil allowed me to express those creative parts of myself- indeed, to 'be myself', without the side-effect of incapacitating anxiety.
>
> To this day I cannot say enough positive things about this medication. I have recently gone down to very low doses- sometimes 15mg day.
> I do often feel strong depressive feelings which terminate upon Nardil reinstituted at a higher dose.
>
> In my opinion it should be a first-line treatment for TRD and many anxiety disorders.
>
> I love you all!
>
> Ace:)
>
> PS= sorry for being so serious in this post, he he!
>
>We are a product of of chemistry. Personally I feel this argument about being ourselves is a non issue. If my AD makes me feel good and I enjoy life that is fine with me. Am I being the person I would be without the ad the answer is no.Do I care? no. I just want to feel good and embrace life.
Posted by Alexanderfromdenmark on June 15, 2009, at 10:11:35
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » Alexanderfromdenmark, posted by SLS on June 11, 2009, at 7:06:06
> Hi.
>
> TRD = Treatment Resistant Depression
>
> There are several informal definitions floating around as to exactly what qualifies as TRD. Some say it is having failed 3 trials of antidepressants. Others say that these medications have to be from different classes of drugs. Some even stipulate that it can even be as few as 2 failed trials. Ridiculous.
>
>
> - ScottI think that's just sómething they say when you don't respond to SSRI's and talking about your problems.
Posted by Ron Hill on June 16, 2009, at 16:20:09
In reply to I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by ace on June 11, 2009, at 3:27:47
> Some people who were on this Social Anxiety Forum site mentioned my experience with Nardil and referred to the probable hypomania I may have/may still experience as a side-effect.
-------------------Ace,
For what it's worth, back in 2003 I wondered if you might have been a little hypomanic and I mentioned it to you:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20030224/msgs/204640.html
For me, Trileptal works great to control hypomania. Your mileage may vary.
I took Nardil for a couple of years and I like the med. However, I recently switched from Nardil to Parnate due to Nardil-induced weight gain (50 pounds) and on-going erectile dysfunction.
-- Ron
dx: Bipolar II, with ultra rapid cycling (15 days for one complete cycle), and mild OCPD
600 mg/day Trileptal
200 mg/day Lamictal
500 mg/day Keppra
30 mg/day Parnate
Posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 5:58:53
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 13, 2009, at 14:19:33
Hi Bulldog.
This is not meant to be an attack, but I am going to bust your chops a little.
> We are a product of of chemistry.
At the exact same time, our chemisty is a product of the phenomenon we call the mind.
"The brain determines the mind as the mind sculpts the brain" There is something more gestault about looking at it this way.
> Personally I feel this argument about being ourselves is a non issue.
It can be an issue for some people in that it is only when their outside matches their inside that they feel true to themselves and self actualized. This allows them capable of having a wealth of peak experiences that would not otherwise be possible. I like the spontaneity that "being myself" brings me.
> Am I being the person I would be without the ad the answer is no.
Is this a contradiction to your non-issue?
:-)
Bulldog, you may never have known any other way to be except to "be yourself". This is a good thing, but might make it difficult to understand where others are coming from. I spent too many years trying to make my inside match what I thought was inside others by observing their outside - all this for the sake of approval and to gain a sense of normalcy. Bad move. It really screwed me up. It took me plenty of years to synchronize my inside and outside again.
- Scott
Posted by bulldog2 on June 17, 2009, at 19:08:22
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » bulldog2, posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 5:58:53
> Hi Bulldog.
>
> This is not meant to be an attack, but I am going to bust your chops a little.
>
> > We are a product of of chemistry.
>
> At the exact same time, our chemisty is a product of the phenomenon we call the mind.
>
> "The brain determines the mind as the mind sculpts the brain" There is something more gestault about looking at it this way.
>
> > Personally I feel this argument about being ourselves is a non issue.
>
> It can be an issue for some people in that it is only when their outside matches their inside that they feel true to themselves and self actualized. This allows them capable of having a wealth of peak experiences that would not otherwise be possible. I like the spontaneity that "being myself" brings me.
>
> > Am I being the person I would be without the ad the answer is no.
>
> Is this a contradiction to your non-issue?
>
> :-)
>
> Bulldog, you may never have known any other way to be except to "be yourself". This is a good thing, but might make it difficult to understand where others are coming from. I spent too many years trying to make my inside match what I thought was inside others by observing their outside - all this for the sake of approval and to gain a sense of normalcy. Bad move. It really screwed me up. It took me plenty of years to synchronize my inside and outside again.
>
>
> - Scottno offense.
Ultimately this could become a very interesting philosophical debate. I guess I have endured so much misery I just don't really care all that much about am I being me (whoever that may be!). I am more concerned about:
1. I wish to feel happy most of the time.
2. I engage life with vigor and have goals and aspirations.
3. I am a spiritual being.Now when I am depressed I am an unhappy, unmotivated person. If a chemical can give me 1,2 and 3 I guess I wouldn't question wether that is me or someone else that I was not ordained to be. On the other hand if a chemical can give me 1,2 and 3 as these are my goals than perhaps I am being me.
Well if I'm in pain and percocet makes me feel better should I question wether that is me? Well I just want to get rid of the pain.
Scott I'm sure you can tear the above into shreads! lol...I'm a big believer in better living thru chemistry...
Posted by SLS on June 17, 2009, at 19:57:26
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 17, 2009, at 19:08:22
> Scott I'm sure you can tear the above into shreads! lol...I'm a big believer in better living thru chemistry...
Me too. That wasn't too hard, now, was it?
lol
:-)
I always said that I would drink horse piss if I thought it would take away the depression. I guess I should really bring this up on the Alternative board.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2009, at 20:12:04
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 17, 2009, at 19:08:22
I know percocet can make me feel happy has done when prescribed for pain but it does soon lose it's effectiveness. Several people here have had horrendouse withdrawals. Phillipa
Posted by bulldog2 on June 18, 2009, at 10:17:38
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 17, 2009, at 20:12:04
> I know percocet can make me feel happy has done when prescribed for pain but it does soon lose it's effectiveness. Several people here have had horrendouse withdrawals. Phillipa
No still working like a charm at the same dose. Also need for pain as left hip is quickly degenerating from years of exercise. You and your exercise. All exercise has done is wear out all my joints and caused me pain. Now they tell me I need a hip replacement.
Posted by Phillipa on June 18, 2009, at 20:43:15
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 18, 2009, at 10:17:38
Why not write me? Phillipa ps got some sandals pics of me.
Posted by bulldog2 on June 19, 2009, at 15:22:23
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:) » bulldog2, posted by Phillipa on June 18, 2009, at 20:43:15
> Why not write me? Phillipa ps got some sandals pics of me.
I'm scheduled to get a new hip on 8/4 and that is pretty scarey. You really have sandal pics! Are you teasing me? Any barefoot ones?
Posted by Phillipa on June 19, 2009, at 20:38:56
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 19, 2009, at 15:22:23
Bulldog I've known a lot of folks that got new hips and were on the eliptical soon after. You already got the pics. Love Phillipa
Posted by Sigismund on June 21, 2009, at 3:25:48
In reply to Re: I'm still alive, and still on Nardil:), posted by bulldog2 on June 17, 2009, at 19:08:22
>Well if I'm in pain and percocet makes me feel better should I question wether that is me? Well I just want to get rid of the pain.
This is an illustration of how people who take opiates become (in William Burrough's words) 'drearily sane'. I've experienced it myself.
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